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Octa
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 :  20:32:05  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric- My question is along the lines of the last poster as well.

1, Does Unger know Fhang as himself or as 'Artor', ie. which guise does Fhang use when interacting with him. My PCs found the second secret entrance to the Fireplace level, since they don't have a thief in their party they are always full up on wands of detect secret door, knock and dispel magic. So of course they are going to interrogat Unger or charm him and see what he knows.

2, How does Unger get down into Skullport. the only path described in the adventure has two place he has to be either size small or tiny, i.e. the collapsed spiral stair for the dungeon of the crypt requires small, and the fissure into the fireplace requires him to be tiny or in gaseous form.

I guess he drinks potions and its why no one follows him though,
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Skeptic
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He goes down by first going up in the Dungeon of the Crypt...
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  17:48:12  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic

Hi,

First, nothing new about the 2nd Waterdeep enhancement ? (I know you are surely tired to be asked about this one but... )


I haven't heard anything recently, although I do continue to ask.

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Second, about your recent adventures in Dragon Magazines.. it seems to be that the Fireplace level & Dungeon of the Crypt would be quite dangerous for a "low-level" fighter like Unger. How could he often use this way to get in Skullport without being killed by all the monstrous creatures lurking in this "small" place ?

Edit : I ask this because for my current campaign, securing ways to Skullport is something really important for the characters.

I would add too that I would never run this kind of "dungeon crawl" adventures as printed, but all the lore & details added in it is very much appreciate.



Unger survives through a combination of luck, cunning (he hides rather than fights), powerful backers (The Two-Cities Consortium), and careful alliances (such as his arrangement with Fhang). He also is careful to listen to reports of adventurers who have crossed his usual route of late and he's not above duping a band of low-level adventurrs to "blaze the trail" for him when he's worried about his usual route.

--Eric

PS He won't survive forever ... and when he's dead the Two-Cities Consortium will simply replace him with someone else.


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Octa
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  20:45:04  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I understand that he goes through the fireplace and down 120' to Fhangs lair and from there through to the stairs to undermountain and from there on to skullport, I just thought it was odd that that path wasn't traversable by someone medium sized and so thought I had missed something.
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  22:14:05  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

Eric- My question is along the lines of the last poster as well.

1, Does Unger know Fhang as himself or as 'Artor', ie. which guise does Fhang use when interacting with him. My PCs found the second secret entrance to the Fireplace level, since they don't have a thief in their party they are always full up on wands of detect secret door, knock and dispel magic. So of course they are going to interrogat Unger or charm him and see what he knows.


I imagine he knows him in the form of Artor, but may not know his name. He may also think he knows other individuals who are actually alternate identities for Fhang. I doubt he's ever seen the doppelganger in his true form.

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2, How does Unger get down into Skullport. the only path described in the adventure has two place he has to be either size small or tiny, i.e. the collapsed spiral stair for the dungeon of the crypt requires small, and the fissure into the fireplace requires him to be tiny or in gaseous form.

I guess he drinks potions and its why no one follows him though,



My copy explicitly states that the Wormshake Fissure (#F1) and the Fireplace Flue (#F1A) are accessible by a size Medium or smaller creature in Dungeon #128, page 77.

As for the "Tiny aperture", I think I've misled the reader. Unger's route does not lead through C21A (although he might pay to enlarge it if he realized where it led). His route leads out of the Dungeon of the Crypt via #C19 into the first level of Undermountain. From there it's up to the DM as to how he gets down to Skullport on the 3rd level, but the original Ruins of Undermountain boxed set suggests several means (both portals and physical connections).

--Eric


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Foxhelm
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  23:36:00  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Going back to Races of Faerun...

May I have your opinion on developing a non-evil (Perhaps even good aligned) Fey'ri? What would you recommand for a character (non-player and Player) that has rejected the evil of their demon taint?

Would it be similar to running a drow or tiefling character? Or would there be something more about it? If a cleric, would they have to turn to non-elven gods? Perhaps Eilistraee or a human god?

On a second, perhaps non-FR, note:

Has there been an hint of a book detailing Planetouched, especially Demihuman planetouched?

Thanks.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  23:53:20  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Going back to Races of Faerun...

May I have your opinion on developing a non-evil (Perhaps even good aligned) Fey'ri? What would you recommand for a character (non-player and Player) that has rejected the evil of their demon taint?

Would it be similar to running a drow or tiefling character? Or would there be something more about it? If a cleric, would they have to turn to non-elven gods? Perhaps Eilistraee or a human god?


I imagine it would be akin to running a tiefling in human society crossed with a drow in elf society.

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On a second, perhaps non-FR, note:
Has there been an hint of a book detailing Planetouched, especially Demihuman planetouched?



I am unaware of such a book.

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Foxhelm
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Posted - 28 Dec 2005 :  23:59:05  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks. Also does Wizards of the Coast has a suggestion box or something where users can input comments or requests? Thanks again.

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quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Thanks. Also does Wizards of the Coast has a suggestion box or something where users can input comments or requests? Thanks again.



Not that I've seen...

Things may have changed since then, but back before I was banned from the WotC forums, there was a discussion about web content. I said that Wizards should set up some means of allowing us, the users, to have some input over material on the website. One of their web people replied, telling me that Wizards had no interest in doing something like that. Their decisions on web content were (at the time, at least) based solely upon the number of hits something got. That was the only input they wanted from the fans.

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Octa
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Posted - 29 Dec 2005 :  00:57:51  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric, thanks for the answer it was very helpfull. I didn't make alot of sense for Unger to see 'Fhang' as anyone but Artor, since Artor was pretty much hanging 'Fhang' out there as bait.

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Octa
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Eric, one more question:

From looking over the history its pretty clear that the incarnations of the Mulhorandi deities were not directly ruling the country during most of its history. What was the status of these incarnations on the material plane? Were they constantly in physical form, or did they possess their worshippers bodies. Any idea who might know the canon on this or is it spelled out in 'Old Empires'. The 3e sources of Races of Faerun and Lost Empires are pretty murky on this subject.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 30 Dec 2005 :  20:50:47  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

Eric, one more question:

From looking over the history its pretty clear that the incarnations of the Mulhorandi deities were not directly ruling the country during most of its history. What was the status of these incarnations on the material plane? Were they constantly in physical form, or did they possess their worshippers bodies. Any idea who might know the canon on this or is it spelled out in 'Old Empires'. The 3e sources of Races of Faerun and Lost Empires are pretty murky on this subject.



This is one of those instances where the changes in the rules has continually upset the explanation of what's going on.

FR10 - Old Empires laid out the idea of incarnations and aspects (if I recall the 1e terminology correctly). Incarnations were physical, largely resided in temples away from mortals, and where halfway between gods and avatars in powers. Aspects (I may have the word wrong) were descendants of the gods reborn as mortals. They had limited lifespans, superhero-like powers, slightly variant personalities, and were somewhat susceptible to corruption (deviations from the gods ideals). In some ways they were like a planetouched Chosen.

In 2e, Julia and I needed to square up the rules for gods across the Realms. (You could argue whether this made sense or not, but that was the design criterea.) The idea was that gods were "beyond the ken", but avatars were capable of being battled. We decided the Time of Troubles shattered the Godshield, making the Mulhorandi gods rejoin their multiplanar brethren in the Egyptian pantheon. Thereafter, there were avatars "permanently dwelling" in Mulhorand's great temples.

In 3e, we've kind of danced around the subject, but my guess for now (open to revision should I ever revisit the area and without doublechecking sources) is that the god-kings are very powerful aspects of the Egytptian gods capable of fathering offspring. Those offspring are usually half-celestials (or half-fiends in the case of Set's offspring) with numerous class levels. Their descendants in term may be human or may be aasimar (or tieflings). Day-to-day rulership of the country is delegated to the mortals, who may have divine blood in their veins or may not.

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Octa
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Posted - 30 Dec 2005 :  21:57:04  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric- Ok so let me see if I have this straight, In present day Faerun the relationship between the Gods of Mulhorand and their worshippers is the same as all of the other gods of toril, albeit maybe a little more intimate because these gods sometimes incarnate as aspects on the prime material plane which is a kind of possession along with the possession of supernatural powers.

During the Time of Troubles all of the God's of Mulhorand presented in their physical form and afterwards the imarski barrier was taken down and they could leave Toril.

Pre-Times of trouble here is what I would go with- The mulhorandi gods had a choice they could either keep their physical 'avatar' forms, but then they are limited in the number of followers they can provide divine spells to as a measure of their divine rank. I would make it small just like their ability to see everything their worshippers saw/heard, i.e. 1 mile per divine rank. So this has the advantage of your church having an indestructible champion in its ranks, but has the serious serious drawback of leaving all of your followers not in that 10 mile region or so high and dry as far as spellcasting (a sure way to lose one's priesthood).

Or

The God could diffuse his/her divine essence into many aspects or possesions of individual mortals. This would enable said god to cover a greater amount of territory within which their worshippers could cast spells, encompasing all of the old empires.

It was in this aspect form that most of the deities spent most of their time, they only physically manifested when the proverbial shit really hit the fan...

Now the exception to this I would think would be gilgeam who probably rode around with all of his priests within a few mile radius putting the hurt on whoever he could get his hands on.

On another note, Anhur is great and my new Favorite God, and he can can grant spells to druids and rangers.
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Foxhelm
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Posted - 30 Dec 2005 :  22:08:38  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A couple of Fey'ri questions:
1)If a Fey'ri and human were to mate, would the result be a normal half-elf, a tiefling or something else?
2)If a Fey'ri, which is sun elf based were to mate with a non-sun elf, would it's non-sun elf decendants have a chance to become a fey'ri with a non-sun elf appearance?
Thanks.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 30 Dec 2005 :  23:40:22  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

A couple of Fey'ri questions:
1)If a Fey'ri and human were to mate, would the result be a normal half-elf, a tiefling or something else?


I don't think it would be predictable, but half-sun elf or tiefling would be the most likely outcomes.

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2)If a Fey'ri, which is sun elf based were to mate with a non-sun elf, would it's non-sun elf decendants have a chance to become a fey'ri with a non-sun elf appearance?


I'd say the first generation of such offspring would either be a moon elf (if the other parent was a moon elf) or fey'ri.

Subsequent generations of the first outcome would be moon elves or tieflings. Subsequent generations of the second outcome would be fey'ri.

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Foxhelm
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Posted - 31 Dec 2005 :  00:13:55  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, but does that mean that a Fey'ri is more of an Elf-tiefling creation or is it a sun elf only tiefling? Would a Moon Elf/Incubus:Succubus breeding create a different tiefling decendant or would it just create a Fey'ri?
Just trying to get a grip on things. Thanks again.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 31 Dec 2005 :  03:15:22  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Thanks, but does that mean that a Fey'ri is more of an Elf-tiefling creation or is it a sun elf only tiefling? Would a Moon Elf/Incubus:Succubus breeding create a different tiefling decendant or would it just create a Fey'ri?
Just trying to get a grip on things. Thanks again.



Mechanically I wouldn't bother to create something other than a fey'ri for a moon elf / incubus:succubus cross-breeding, but role-playing-wise I wouldn't call it a fey'ri. I defined that term fairly precisely in Cloak & Dagger.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Thanks, but does that mean that a Fey'ri is more of an Elf-tiefling creation or is it a sun elf only tiefling? Would a Moon Elf/Incubus:Succubus breeding create a different tiefling decendant or would it just create a Fey'ri?
Just trying to get a grip on things. Thanks again.



Officially, the only such critters we've seen have been from gold elves. Gold elf mates with demon, produces something else, then that mates with elf and makes fey'ri.

I'd say that a moon elf-based fey'ri is possible by doing the same thing, but it's not very likely: the fey'ri are a result of evil elves seeking to strengthen their bloodline by breeding with demons.

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Foxhelm
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Posted - 31 Dec 2005 :  12:33:29  Show Profile  Click to see Foxhelm's MSN Messenger address  Send Foxhelm a Yahoo! Message Send Foxhelm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks and a final question for now.
From what I have read from Races of Faerun, it seems that if a Tiefling (Or other planetouched) were to breed with a Fey'ri, it would result in a fifty/fifty for either kind of planetouched. Is that true or would it be a fifty/fifty for a tiefling/Planetouched (Or one hundred percent for tiefling in a tiefling Fey'ri case).

Thanks, I hope I haven't been a bother. I just wanted to define things.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 31 Dec 2005 :  13:02:06  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Thanks and a final question for now.
From what I have read from Races of Faerun, it seems that if a Tiefling (Or other planetouched) were to breed with a Fey'ri, it would result in a fifty/fifty for either kind of planetouched. Is that true or would it be a fifty/fifty for a tiefling/Planetouched (Or one hundred percent for tiefling in a tiefling Fey'ri case).

Thanks, I hope I haven't been a bother. I just wanted to define things.



Go with Races of Faerun. (50/50, although I don't have it handy to check.)

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Bocklin
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Dear Eric,

First of all, Happy New Year: may 2006 bring you a lot of time and opportunities to work on more Realms lore and products!

My question refers to the Lathander entry in "Faiths and Pantheons".

I am not sure if it is you or Erik Mona who wrote up that specific part, but it mentions that Lathander is back working on his big secret plan (the one that had provoked the cataclysm and the death of Helm's consort) and that a couple of his closest good-aligned godly allies are aware of his researches.

Do you know if there are specific plans to tackle that or was it just something offered by you and Erik to other designers to expand if they so wanted? This has intrigued me for a long time and I was wondering if we'd see more of that big secret plan of Lathander in action.

In advance, thanks a lot for your reply.

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ericlboyd
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quote:
Originally posted by Bocklin

Dear Eric,

First of all, Happy New Year: may 2006 bring you a lot of time and opportunities to work on more Realms lore and products!


Thanks!

You should see at least 2 Realms products with my name on them in 2006.

quote:

My question refers to the Lathander entry in "Faiths and Pantheons".

I am not sure if it is you or Erik Mona who wrote up that specific part, but it mentions that Lathander is back working on his big secret plan (the one that had provoked the cataclysm and the death of Helm's consort) and that a couple of his closest good-aligned godly allies are aware of his researches.

Do you know if there are specific plans to tackle that or was it just something offered by you and Erik to other designers to expand if they so wanted? This has intrigued me for a long time and I was wondering if we'd see more of that big secret plan of Lathander in action.


To be honest, I don't remember who wrote up Lathander and I don't have the files handy to figure it out. This may sound weird, but I did not really enjoy working on F&P. Erik was great and so was Rich, but I hated having to condense 3 books into 1 and therefore I've blocked out most of the project. (Plus I hated doing the avatar stat blocks.)

I'm guessing we meant it as a hanging plot hook. That said, I've been playing with the church of Lathander in fits and starts ever since, so you could say it was a hanging plot hook we intended to develop later.

I revisted the evolution of the church of Lathander in Power of Faerun ... delineating an event that could be nothing or could be something huge ... that's all I'll hint for now.

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Chosen of Moradin
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quote:
Thanks!

You should see at least 2 Realms products with my name on them in 2006.



Itīs really very good to hear this, Eric!

quote:
To be honest, I don't remember who wrote up Lathander and I don't have the files handy to figure it out. This may sound weird, but I did not really enjoy working on F&P. Erik was great and so was Rich, but I hated having to condense 3 books into 1 and therefore I've blocked out most of the project. (Plus I hated doing the avatar stat blocks.)



Well, with certainty, not only for me as for many other friends of the forum, your work in the divine books of the 2nd edition is incomparable. For me, F&P is just a summary of those three superb books. And itīs not about the quality of the book. Itīs really about the "resume" of something that donīt deserved to be resumed.

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I revisted the evolution of the church of Lathander in Power of Faerun ... delineating an event that could be nothing or could be something huge ... that's all I'll hint for now.



Ho ho ho, Mr. Eric. Youīre doing teasing lessons with Lady Hooded One?
This single phrase put me to start to economize some money to buy this book... well.. when it came to brazilian shores.

Thanks for the kind infos.

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KnightErrantJR
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First let me just say that, no matter how much I like Eric and his work, and no matter how much I appreciate glimpses at potential future Realmslore, I really don't want to picture Eric ustilizing any of THO's talents . . . no offence, Eric.

I can imagine that it gets frustrating to not only rewrite essentially the same thing that you wrote before AGAIN, but to then gut the entries so that, as you say, you could condense the information of three books into one, has to be mind numbing. I always hate it when I write out an adventure or a long post, etc, and it gets lost ( I know, save often ), so much so that often I will totally rewrite what I ended up originally writing, taking on a different tack, coming up with different points, etc, since I abhor simple retracing my steps again.

I realize a lot of this is hindsight, especially in light of what you just related in your last post, but out of curiosity, in the web enhancement for Faiths and Pantheons you said that no monk order exists for any god not listed in the enhancement. Helm was not listed as having a monk order, but obviously Helm has had monks, since Dumal Erard was a monk and he founded Helm's Hold. Does this just mean that Helm's monks are not an order into themselves (i.e. many of them might be, for example, Everwatch Knights) or does that mean that monks of Helm would be especially rare, and Dumal Erard was one of those rare individuals. Thanks Eric!

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Foxhelm
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I don't want to step on Mr. Boyd's toes...

But the FRCS says that a monk does not need to belong to an order of monks or have a patron diety (other than avoiding the wall). So it is possible to have a monk of Helm. There just might not be an order devoted to Helm... yet!

Perhaps your characters is the founder of the Order of The Watchful Fist, Helm's first Monk's order. Looking for students by commiting great deeds in the name of Helm and this school of martial arts.

That's just my thoughts.

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