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Rolindin
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Posted - 07 Jul 2007 :  10:26:12  Show Profile  Visit Rolindin's Homepage Send Rolindin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Ericboyd
There are exceptions to every rule. You could find a small number of any race in the Abyss, particularly on the first level of the Abyss, including elves.



So in your opion then would the elfs, dwarfs, and other races form the material plane be more likey to be a studying kind of tradiers.
What I mean to say the elfs from FR sent traderiers to the lower plane, would the elfs be watchful. But not letting the Red Shroud people know. So as to size up a potionel enemy? Too study for any weakness if they did visite their plane and attack. Or would the elfs be truly their too trade?

Or maybe a combination of both?
If so the elfs would send different trade envoys to other lower planes also to study them.
Is my thinking right here, or are the elfs just their too trade.
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Jamallo Kreen
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Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

I have a question which is vexing me at the moment.

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Eric, was this one of your projects?



http://www.ericlboyd.com/dnd/monsters.html



Mercy buckets. That's the page. Now I just hope that this time the file downloaded properly. I really liked the first part and am anxious to see the rest.


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ericlboyd
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Posted - 08 Jul 2007 :  02:46:45  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rolindin

quote:

Ericboyd
There are exceptions to every rule. You could find a small number of any race in the Abyss, particularly on the first level of the Abyss, including elves.



So in your opion then would the elfs, dwarfs, and other races form the material plane be more likey to be a studying kind of tradiers.
What I mean to say the elfs from FR sent traderiers to the lower plane, would the elfs be watchful. But not letting the Red Shroud people know. So as to size up a potionel enemy? Too study for any weakness if they did visite their plane and attack. Or would the elfs be truly their too trade?

Or maybe a combination of both?
If so the elfs would send different trade envoys to other lower planes also to study them.
Is my thinking right here, or are the elfs just their too trade.



Any or all of the scenarios you outline might be true. It depends on the individual (and the whim of the DM).

--Eric

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Wooly Rupert
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To follow up on a question from Ed's thread:

quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Ed,

There's some confusion about the Undermountain sourcebook. I've seen it both privately and publicly. So I'm asking: is the new sourcebook part of FR canon? A lot of people are confused if it is or is not since it doesn't have the FR logo and its a generic sourcebook.



Yes, afaik.

Grand History of the Realms will refer to the key event that most folks are upset about.

--Eric



What concerns me most is the aftermath of that event. I'm wondering when and how we will find out about the effects on Undermountain as a whole, as well as Skullport and Waterdeep. Even if you can't spill the beans on the effects, can you at least tell us when that will be explored?

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 12 Jul 2007 :  22:29:24  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

To follow up on a question from Ed's thread:

quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Ed,

There's some confusion about the Undermountain sourcebook. I've seen it both privately and publicly. So I'm asking: is the new sourcebook part of FR canon? A lot of people are confused if it is or is not since it doesn't have the FR logo and its a generic sourcebook.



Yes, afaik.

Grand History of the Realms will refer to the key event that most folks are upset about.

--Eric



What concerns me most is the aftermath of that event. I'm wondering when and how we will find out about the effects on Undermountain as a whole, as well as Skullport and Waterdeep. Even if you can't spill the beans on the effects, can you at least tell us when that will be explored?



No, unfortunately, due to NDAs.

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Zanan
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Posted - 14 Jul 2007 :  22:14:14  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Mr. Boyd.

There was a discussion about Lolth / Araushnee and the split of the Core and FR "Lolths" over at the WizBoards. Maybe you can shed some more light on it? (Sorry in advance for the long quotes ...)

DrowBattlemind
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At the time of the first edition, first printing Deities & Demigods, there was no 'Core Lolth' / 'FR Lolth' dichotomy which you seem to be so set upon. That appears (to me, anyway) to be mere retconning on the part of post 2nd ed novel writers (not Ed Greenwood), like the (ill-thought out) 'Great Tree', something else Mr. Greenwood had nothing to do with.

IIRC, the whole 'Auraushnee' origin of Lolth was also someone elses, as I don't recall that being mentioned in the original Drow of the Underdark. (If it was, please post it here, as I'm presently missing my copy of the 2nd ed DotU, since I loaned it out to a friend who moved before he could return it.)

And there is no "Forgotten Realms Lolth" and "Core Lolth". Lolth is Lolth! You're not going to be able to travel to the Demonweb pits and see "Forgotten Realms Lolth" sitting down and having tea with "Core Lolth", "Greyhawk Lolth", and "D20 Modern Urban Arcana Lolth", unless She totally flips out and breaks down into Multiple Personality Disorder.


To which I replied:
quote:
One step after another. Lolth as Demon Queen was created for Greyhawk, no doubt about that. Once the FR arrived, she was adopted (as many other deities) to the Realms' pantheon. While in AD&D we do had a connected cosmology, the FR one soon took of fand became something special. Not just in terms of 200 new or adopted deities, but also with regard to existing ones. There is a story about Lolth and Corellon in The Complete Elven Handbook (1992), more or less excluding Araushnee's involvement in the Gruumsh affair. (While we are at it, the book also says something about the creation of the Elves, not those of the FR, but anyway.)
Demihuman Deities took that up and - with Evermeet - started to create (as with hundreds of other FR deities) a seperate, more detailed FR history of the deities. Hence, Araushnee came about and was introduced by none other than Eric L. Boyd (or someone of alike authority). At that point, the FR Lolth became separated from the Core one, not least because the FR version grew immensely in power. Whether Planescapers and Great Wheel-all-cosmologies-are-connected loyalists liked it or not. It even says so in the introduction of the F&A series: What happens in other settings' cosmologies has no influence on deities within the Realms, unless a deity is slain on its home soil. 3E took that up, only that they used the FR Lolth's stats et al for the Core one too.
After the War of the Spider Queen, in which the FR Lolth took the FR Demonwebs out of the "FR Abyss", the FR Lolth is most definitely no longer the Core Lolth, who still lives in the "Core Abyss".
Coming to think of it, this might be the start of killing off the FR Lolth altogether, as she could then be slain on her home soil in that sava game she plays with Eilistraee, who could simply walk over into the seperate FR Demonwebs. As dire a thought that may be.
Generally, what has been, has been. I look at the Forgotten Realms as a complete setting, with its own deities and Abyss and what have you. This world may or may not be connected through whatever channels to other settings that may of may not have deities that are namesakes. I use the Fiendish Codices for reference when I play with fiends or fiend lords, no problem. But just as reference. What happens in Core Greyhawk worlds or Eberron or what have you, places that might have namesake deities is of no relevance ... or, let's put it in other words: has as much influence on the Realms as the fate of the original Real Word Osiris, Set, or Loviatar. That is: nothing.



DrowBattlemind
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Who apparently didn't consult Mr. Greenwood. It reminds me of Sam Kinison's rant about televangelist scams:
(as Jesus) "Where the heck in this book did I say 'Take money from the elderly and build a WATER SLIDE'?!?"

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=13072089#post13072089

So - am I right to assume that when writing DD you did consult with previous lore on elves and drow and, last but certainly not least the great Archwizard himself? This is not about who's right or not, just requesting some more info on how the FR history of the drow deities came about.

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Edited by - Zanan on 14 Jul 2007 22:15:54
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

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Posted - 14 Jul 2007 :  22:28:57  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
So - am I right to assume that when writing DD you did consult with previous lore on elves and drow and, last but certainly not least the great Archwizard himself? This is not about who's right or not, just requesting some more info on how the FR history of the drow deities came about.



The write-up of the drow pantheon in Demihuman Deities was derived primarily from Drow of the Underdark (2e) and Elves of Evermeet. Where possible, I kept it consistent with Monstrous Mythology and other "generic" sources.

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Faraer
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Posted - 14 Jul 2007 :  23:58:16  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Araushnee is mentioned as Lolth's former name in FOR2 The Drow of the Underdark p. 20. Is that the first occurrence?
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 15 Jul 2007 :  00:31:08  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

Araushnee is mentioned as Lolth's former name in FOR2 The Drow of the Underdark p. 20. Is that the first occurrence?



I think so, but it's been a long time.

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Zanan
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Posted - 15 Jul 2007 :  11:04:27  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

Araushnee is mentioned as Lolth's former name in FOR2 The Drow of the Underdark p. 20. Is that the first occurrence?



Thanks to you both for the info! Haven't got access to my The Drow of the Underdark right now ... and apparently forgot that mentioning of Araushnee.

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 15 Jul 2007 :  18:24:29  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

Araushnee is mentioned as Lolth's former name in FOR2 The Drow of the Underdark p. 20. Is that the first occurrence?



No. This name first appeared in the novel Evermeet.
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Faraer
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Posted - 15 Jul 2007 :  18:49:32  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But Elaine, your novel was published six or seven years after FOR2.
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Zanan
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Posted - 15 Jul 2007 :  22:33:06  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

But Elaine, your novel was published six or seven years after FOR2.



Noted that too. Ed mentions her name under Drow Religion in TDotUD in 1991. Nothing more than her name though.
BTW, Demihuman Deities and Evermeet appeared within months of each other, so am I right in assuming a close working relation on that and the Seldarine topics?

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

In memory of Alura Durshavin.

Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerūn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 16 Jul 2007 :  04:03:59  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

But Elaine, your novel was published six or seven years after FOR2.



Noted that too. Ed mentions her name under Drow Religion in TDotUD in 1991. Nothing more than her name though.
BTW, Demihuman Deities and Evermeet appeared within months of each other, so am I right in assuming a close working relation on that and the Seldarine topics?



IIRC (I'm a littly foggy on the dates), Demihuman Deities followed Elaine's excellent lead on the Seldarine and Anti-Seldarine.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 18 Jul 2007 :  22:32:13  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Erik,

Do you know who did the "In Faerun" entries for Monster Manual V? and do you know who wrote the vampire section? I have both Realms and vampire stat block questions for that book.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 19 Jul 2007 :  01:56:36  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Erik,

Do you know who did the "In Faerun" entries for Monster Manual V? and do you know who wrote the vampire section? I have both Realms and vampire stat block questions for that book.



I don't. Sorry. Try the "Ask Rich Baker" thread on the WoTC boards.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Eric,

I haven't read all the "Faerun" entries yet, but the Ilsensine references and the "party of plane-travelling mind flayers" are certainly intriguing... too bad my current campaign does not go anywhere near psionics!
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Zanan
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Posted - 19 Jul 2007 :  20:41:15  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Vendui! (well, this must be followed by a question drow, of course )

In the Shadowdale excerpt over at the Wizards ...

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070718a

... the drow House Dhuurniv is mentioned. They are Lolthites, working together with the Zhents. Now, my only source on them tells that they were working in Cormanthor when it fell, ages ago. Can you or the designer responsible tell me which city they belong too - if any - or whether they are counted among those "Spiderkissers" named in the Cormanthor entries?

Thanks in advance,

Zanan!

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

In memory of Alura Durshavin.

Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerūn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 19 Jul 2007 :  22:42:47  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

Vendui! (well, this must be followed by a question drow, of course )

In the Shadowdale excerpt over at the Wizards ...

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070718a

... the drow House Dhuurniv is mentioned. They are Lolthites, working together with the Zhents. Now, my only source on them tells that they were working in Cormanthor when it fell, ages ago. Can you or the designer responsible tell me which city they belong too - if any - or whether they are counted among those "Spiderkissers" named in the Cormanthor entries?

Thanks in advance,

Zanan!




Search for Dhuurniv in Fall of Myth Drannor. (Free PDF on WoTC site.)

I've set them up as a Maerimydran House that was all-but-exiled from Maerimydra following the Weeping War and the spectacular failure of their gambit. When Maerimydra was destroyed, House Dhuurniv's long-standing exile meant they were the least affected of the noble houses by the city's destruction. As a result, House Dhuurniv is now uniquely positioned to reverse the Maerimydran diaspora.

Unless, of course, the PCs cut off their heads ...

--Eric

PS You'll note a certain sword mentioned in FoMD shows up in S:SotL.


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Zanan
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Posted - 20 Jul 2007 :  08:56:03  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Vendui!

Thanks for that info. So ... that sword has been retrieved by the House from Maerimydra (where it is mentioned to be resting in Lost Empires of Faerūn) before the latter fell? Nice to see such a continuety in the history of that region. Am I right in exepcting that the House has a stronghold beyond Maerimydra then? My Shadowdale has not yet arrived, so I do not knwo whether there's any info in there.

Aluve, Zanan!

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

In memory of Alura Durshavin.

Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerūn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 20 Jul 2007 :  14:04:04  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

Vendui!

Thanks for that info. So ... that sword has been retrieved by the House from Maerimydra (where it is mentioned to be resting in Lost Empires of Faerūn) before the latter fell? Nice to see such a continuety in the history of that region.


Yep.

quote:
Am I right in expecting that the House has a stronghold beyond Maerimydra then? My Shadowdale has not yet arrived, so I do not know whether there's any info in there.


The intent of the adventure is that the current primary stronghold of House Dhuurniv is directly beneath the Twisted Tower (to be explored by the PCs). So that the PCs don't have to wade through hordes of low-level drow, the adventure indicates that the bulk of the drow forces are scattered through the Shadowdark in small nomadic bands. (I think this is more consistent with the diaspora anyway.) However, you could certainly go with the idea that there's a larger stronghold down in the depths and have the PCs go there after the adventure is over (rather than follow the Anauroch adventure).

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Faraer
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Posted - 21 Jul 2007 :  22:43:58  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric, I'm enjoying reading the adventure, with reservations, and I'll try to write up some detailed feedback when I finish it. For now, could you answer a few questions?

Given that the Wolfwatch Manor map in Power of Faerūn was said to be similar (identical?) to Castle Krag, is the map of the latter in Scouring the original layout or a new one?

How did Jyordhan come to be a dread wraith? How do you envision his unlife before the Zhent occupation?

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ElaineCunningham
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quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

But Elaine, your novel was published six or seven years after FOR2.



Noted that too. Ed mentions her name under Drow Religion in TDotUD in 1991. Nothing more than her name though.
BTW, Demihuman Deities and Evermeet appeared within months of each other, so am I right in assuming a close working relation on that and the Seldarine topics?


Huh. Well, I stand corrected. It has been a long time, but I remember working through the etomology from the Greek myth of Arachne, the spinner who challenged a goddess. Time to increase the ginko biloba dosage!
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Faraer
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I gave a friend ginkgo biloba and it gave her a headache. :(

Araushnee has Ed's kind of double vowels.
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Zanan
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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

But Elaine, your novel was published six or seven years after FOR2.



Noted that too. Ed mentions her name under Drow Religion in TDotUD in 1991. Nothing more than her name though.
BTW, Demihuman Deities and Evermeet appeared within months of each other, so am I right in assuming a close working relation on that and the Seldarine topics?


Huh. Well, I stand corrected. It has been a long time, but I remember working through the etomology from the Greek myth of Arachne, the spinner who challenged a goddess. Time to increase the ginko biloba dosage!



Speaking of which, Arachne that is, Eric apparently decided to name the specialty priestesses of Lolth (in Demihuman Deities) after her. They were - just for those interested - converted to D&D 3E in Faiths & Pantheons, but lost quite a bit of "power". Interestingly enough, not a single designer has used the F&P-version of the Arachne so far, despite vast amounts of coverage of the drow clergy ever since.

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

In memory of Alura Durshavin.

Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerūn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more.

Edited by - Zanan on 24 Jul 2007 16:32:59
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