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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 :  21:54:06  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Eric,

Here's a good one for you, as your answer might sway me (and perhaps many others) in giving a shot to 'Red Hand of Doom'... Here it goes:

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Today, 12:41 PM
Richard Baker
Member Join Date: Jun 2003

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Boy, that's a tough one. Red Hand of Doom wasn't a FR sourcebook, despite the fact that it closely parallels the Channath Vale... I'm not sure whether we should have included it or not. In any event, I didn't work on Dragons of Faerun, so I didn't have to make the call on that. Maybe Eric can shed some more light on the topic.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Bocklin
Dear Eytan, Dear Eric, Dear Rich,

I have received "Dragons Faerűn" just yesterday and am so far immensely enjoying the book. That's really first quality FR material!

I tried to look for any passing reference to a "Tiamat-worshipping horde of hobgoblins in the Channath vale", but have not seen anything along those lines so far. If I have not missed it, then I wanted to ask the following.

I know that RHoD is core, but was wondering if you'd plan to nevertheless refer to the events therein in any direct or indirect way in a future FR product. After all, it's a FR region that is "hosting" the plot!

In advance, thanks for your answer.

Bocklin
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 :  01:42:25  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Hi Eric,

Here's a good one for you, as your answer might sway me (and perhaps many others) in giving a shot to 'Red Hand of Doom'... Here it goes:




Answered on WoTC thread.

--Eric

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 :  01:50:59  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Hi Eric,

Here's a good one for you, as your answer might sway me (and perhaps many others) in giving a shot to 'Red Hand of Doom'... Here it goes:




Answered on WoTC thread.

--Eric



Since some of us are not active over there, could someone provide either a link or a quote from the appropriate WotC thread?

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Zanan
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 :  10:29:26  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No info on Zinzerena available just yet?

(Posting of 07 Aug 2006 : 10:48:46 on page 19)
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Lawless
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 :  14:25:52  Show Profile  Visit Lawless's Homepage Send Lawless a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is there anything in the works to explore and/or go into detail of Chondalwood?

Waiting to say something brilliant.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 :  15:07:41  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lawless

Is there anything in the works to explore and/or go into detail of Chondalwood?



Not that I know of. If you'd like to see something, I suggest you put your request on the "What I'd like to see" thread on the WoTC board.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 :  15:08:15  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

No info on Zinzerena available just yet?

(Posting of 07 Aug 2006 : 10:48:46 on page 19)



Sorry, I need to dig up my old sources and haven't had a chance yet. I haven't forgotten the question.

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Bakra
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 :  16:48:01  Show Profile Send Bakra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

Hi Eric,

Here's a good one for you, as your answer might sway me (and perhaps many others) in giving a shot to 'Red Hand of Doom'... Here it goes:




Answered on WoTC thread.


--Eric



Since some of us are not active over there, could someone provide either a link or a quote from the appropriate WotC thread?


http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=9869991#post9869991

<<Originally Posted by Bocklin
Dear Eytan, Dear Eric, Dear Rich,

I have received "Dragons Faerűn" just yesterday and am so far immensely enjoying the book. That's really first quality FR material!

I tried to look for any passing reference to a "Tiamat-worshipping horde of hobgoblins in the Channath vale", but have not seen anything along those lines so far. If I have not missed it, then I wanted to ask the following.

I know that RHoD is core, but was wondering if you'd plan to nevertheless refer to the events therein in any direct or indirect way in a future FR product. After all, it's a FR region that is "hosting" the plot!

In advance, thanks for your answer.

Bocklin




Hi Bocklin,

I went back and forth on this but (IIRC) decided not to include a reference to it. Although "all-but-set-in-the-Realms", it's set in the core with different place names. The only place I would have referred to it would have been in the big old table of dragons in the back, as there wasn't much room for a larger reference.

I think I did include a reference to it in MM4 in the "In the Realms" section, as that is a core book and is appropriate for a suggestion as to where to place the monster in the Realm.

Sorry to split hairs so finely.

As to whether or not future products will "assume its core" or not, I don't know, but if I have a hand in it, I imagine it will be along the lines of the MM4 reference and not an explicit placing of it in the Realms timeline.

--Eric>>

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Athenon
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 :  19:29:26  Show Profile  Visit Athenon's Homepage  Send Athenon an AOL message Send Athenon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric,

I wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed reading Dragons of Faerun! You guys really have produced a source that will take its rightful place with classic Realmslore.

Thanks!

Will Maranto

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Octa
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Posted - 06 Sep 2006 :  20:46:39  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric- Dragons of Faerun is great, and thanks for explaining why they didn't just pop off to another plane, It just drives me nuts when the book fluff pretends like there are no rules to this game.

One more quick question about PoF, I am assuming that the influence modifiers between groups don't stack, in other words if my base leadership is 20, and my modifier for the religious community is +4, and for the Military community is +7, my total is 27 not 31, right, but I can if I want to get up to x number of religious followers totalling up to 24, and then the remainder are from the military community. Am I doing this right? Otherwise if you let PCs use both then their leadership scores really go up through the roof.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 06 Sep 2006 :  22:07:05  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

Eric- Dragons of Faerun is great, and thanks for explaining why they didn't just pop off to another plane, It just drives me nuts when the book fluff pretends like there are no rules to this game.

One more quick question about PoF, I am assuming that the influence modifiers between groups don't stack, in other words if my base leadership is 20, and my modifier for the religious community is +4, and for the Military community is +7, my total is 27 not 31, right, but I can if I want to get up to x number of religious followers totalling up to 24, and then the remainder are from the military community. Am I doing this right? Otherwise if you let PCs use both then their leadership scores really go up through the roof.



I'd have to reread the rules carefully to answer for sure (it's been a while), but I believe your interpretation is correct. You can have different degrees of influence with different communities.

--Eric

PS I'd be very interested in playtesting feedback on the Leadership and Influence rules in Power of Faerun and what you might have done differently as you get some experience with them.

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 06 Sep 2006 :  22:07:43  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

Eric- Dragons of Faerun is great, and thanks for explaining why they didn't just pop off to another plane, It just drives me nuts when the book fluff pretends like there are no rules to this game.

One more quick question about PoF, I am assuming that the influence modifiers between groups don't stack, in other words if my base leadership is 20, and my modifier for the religious community is +4, and for the Military community is +7, my total is 27 not 31, right, but I can if I want to get up to x number of religious followers totalling up to 24, and then the remainder are from the military community. Am I doing this right? Otherwise if you let PCs use both then their leadership scores really go up through the roof.



I'd have to reread the rules carefully to answer for sure (it's been a while), but I believe your interpretation is correct. You can have different degrees of influence with different communities.

--Eric

PS I'd be very interested in playtesting feedback on the Leadership and Influence rules in Power of Faerun and what you might have done differently as you get some experience with them.

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Purple Dragon Knight
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Canada
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Posted - 09 Sep 2006 :  19:06:59  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
PS I'd be very interested in playtesting feedback on the Leadership and Influence rules in Power of Faerun and what you might have done differently as you get some experience with them.

I just used these rules in my campaign. One of my PC is a gnome with the Leadership feat (see Ed Greenwood's thread for more details on the PC).

Here's how I went about it:

1. Calculated Base Leadership score, then calculated two subscores: Cohort Leadership Score and Followers Leadership Score, as per DMG/SRD.

2. Went to Powers of Faerun. All his feats are currently oriented towards owning/operating businesses, so went to the Economic section of the book and calculated his adjusted "Economic Cohort Score" and "Economic Followers Score". I did not bother calculating his Military or Religious scores, as they are too low in comparison.

3. With the two scores calculated in Par. 2, I determined how many followers he's get, and what would the maximum level of his cohort be. I jotted down these values on a piece of paper and called them "Virtual Amount of Followers" and "Virtual Cohort Character Level". I did not produce any stats for these, as these "virtual" numbers are only important to calculate the Influence score (see below).

4. I flipped to the end of the book for the Influence rules. Determined his Influence score (243) which gives him an Influence Modifier of +2 (243/100, round down).

5. Adjusted the two scores calculated in Par. 2 by +2. These modified scores I deemed: "Final Economic Cohort Leadership Score" and "Final Economic Followers Leadership Score".

6. Used the scores calculated in Par. 5 to determine the PC's cohort and followers.
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Purple Dragon Knight
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Posted - 09 Sep 2006 :  19:20:55  Show Profile  Click to see Purple Dragon Knight's MSN Messenger address Send Purple Dragon Knight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Something I forgot to mention above: the PC is level 12, with a Charisma of only 12. But because of his economic influence and associates, the little bugger of a gnome can manage an Economic Leadership Score of 23!! (25 for followers and 23 for his cohort)

Result: if you use the Powers of Faerun rules, be prepared to have your PCs end up with MANY more followers. The followers will be specialised in one area (military, religious or economic). My PC has currently maxed his possible amount of followers (the table stops at Leadership Score 25). He now needs to wait 9 levels and get Epic Leadership at level 21. So with these rules, non-charismatic PCs get the max amount of followers very early. I happen to not mind this, but every DM may have a different opinion. Mind you, I've only tried the Economic Leadership rules: it could be that they swell the Leadership score moreso than the Religious or Military Leadership rules, to reflect the fact that blacksmiths, alchemists and other tradesfolk do not tip the power balance as much as fighters or clerics for followers (i.e. military and religious leadership). The PC I'm talking about here will NEVER bring these followers out adventuring: they are crafters, miners and merchants. Their sole purpose is to generate gold for the character. Other types of leaders may wish to bring their low-level followers on campaigns... not sure how the other types of Leadership scores have been setup within the pages of Power of Faerun.
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Octa
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 :  23:53:51  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric- In my opinion the rules work pretty well if the DM is amenable to using them and has a reputation for fairness and generosity.

The first thing about the rules is that it is very easy for the Characters to get very high levels for their leadership follower scores. For instance after finishing Red Hand of Doom the PCs should have a bonus of +7 to their leadership, from a +4 (40pt) decoration and a +3 for the promotions they should get over the course of the adventure. This means that a 12th character with a Cha of 14 (+2) and the +6 follower only bonus in the DMG will have a leadership score of 27, not including any influence the character might have had. (PDK, I thought you divided the influence score by 200 to get the influnce modifier).

Now this brings up the next issue, if the followers don't come pre-equiped there is no way the PCs can pay for them. The most basic equipment (well if you want your followers to live) should be around 200gp, if they are cavalry or archers its alot more. So equiping 200 soldiers at 200gp each is 40,000 gps which is too much money for 12th level PCs to easily shell out.

The other thing to my mind is keeping your army alive, its hard, real hard if your opponent has anything in the way of wizards. The spells I have been looking at are #1, FireWard (PGtF) in many versions, #2 Rings of counterspelling or Standards of Counter Spelling, and #3 Wizards who specialize in counterspelling, and #4 the spell Battle Magic Perception.
The cheapest thing to do is just equip your officers with Rings of Counterspells (fireball).

OK I have more but will have to send it later.
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Patrakis
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Hello Eric,

Here's a question about your BLOOD OF MALAR adventure in the septembre 2005 issue of Dungeon magazine.

After reading the first few pages of the adventure, it is not clear to me who kiiled that old master of Dhusarra, Nareyth Harpell.

On page 63 we are told that a group of adventurers destroyed her former master years before. On page 64 we read that Artor was behind the attack that destroyed Noreyth and then on page 67 we read that Dhusarra herself killed Noreyth in his crypt after helping him escape an attack on him.

Can your clarify this for me?

Who kill Noreyth exactly?

The information is important to me because there seems to be a some revenge involved in her motivation to kill Artor but if she killed Noreyth, that avenue is pretty much dead.

Thanks in advance,

Sincerely

Pat

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Dargoth
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Posted - 13 Sep 2006 :  14:12:18  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Im pretty sure that Undermountain the Lost level is the earliest reference and it says both Dhusarra and her master survived the fight with the advneturers and after they escaped Dhusarra killed him


So Id go with that

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 13 Sep 2006 :  16:35:25  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
My PC has currently maxed his possible amount of followers (the table stops at Leadership Score 25). He now needs to wait 9 levels and get Epic Leadership at level 21.



Unless I'm misremembering, he's not maxed out. See the discussion of exceeding the Leadership cap of 25 in the appendix.

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Verghityax
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Posted - 13 Sep 2006 :  21:02:52  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dear Eric,
I was wondering why exactly Moradin has appointed Dumathoin to be the protector of the shield dwarves instead of Abbathor? What has the latter done to gain the Soul Forger's distrust?
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Jorkens
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Well, he has been represented as an evil dwarf-gods since the days of Roger Moore. Abbathor was always a self-serving deity as I have read it and his love for the natural beauty of gems and metals would be a hindrance on the dwarves as crafters and workers of the natural materials.
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Patrakis
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Canada
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Im pretty sure that Undermountain the Lost level is the earliest reference and it says both Dhusarra and her master survived the fight with the advneturers and after they escaped Dhusarra killed him


So Id go with that



Didn't think to look that adventure up. It's pretty clear in there and it looks like a copy and paste reference so i'll use that.

THanks

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 21 Sep 2006 :  17:19:24  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage  Click to see Kalin Agrivar's MSN Messenger address Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a big question I would love to get answered (and I searched the forums and couldn’t find if you had given out the answer before). I’m also going to post this question in the Dragons of Faerun thread just to cover all the bases...

Could you tell me generally where the giant and dragon kingdoms you mentioned on page 7 are located in Fearun/Toril? I vaguely remember in (2E) Giantcraft it mentioning there was a kingdom per major giant species, I’m guessing the other names are

Giant Kingdoms

Darchar
Grunfesting
Helligheim
Nedeheim
Ostoria (I have an idea the range of Ostoria’s territory but it would be nice to get it from you)
Rangfjell

Dragon Kingdoms

Caesinmalsvir
Darastriverthicha
Tharkrixghontix

Thanks so very much

Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar

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Edited by - Kalin Agrivar on 21 Sep 2006 17:20:41
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 21 Sep 2006 :  19:02:55  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kalin agrivar

I have a big question I would love to get answered (and I searched the forums and couldn’t find if you had given out the answer before). I’m also going to post this question in the Dragons of Faerun thread just to cover all the bases...




One thread is enough. Answered in the other thread.

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Kuje
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Hiya Eric,

I'm curious if you could give us a bit more info on Thur Aquarvol the merfolk cleric of Umberlee that resides in Tharqualnaar and why she's good aligned. No, I'm not trying to start a retcon/rules arguement and I'm really curious on why she's CG since Umberlee has hardly ever had good followers.....

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ericlboyd
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 :  01:17:40  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Hiya Eric,

I'm curious if you could give us a bit more info on Thur Aquarvol the merfolk cleric of Umberlee that resides in Tharqualnaar and why she's good aligned. No, I'm not trying to start a retcon/rules arguement and I'm really curious on why she's CG since Umberlee has hardly ever had good followers.....



Is this the one that worships Ao? (That one comes from Steven's old Cult of Ao article in Polyhedron #93?.)

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