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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  00:48:12  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Now... Perhaps I'm suffering from a brainfart, here, because I wasn't aware of any ties between Khelben and the Wyvernspurs. Where is this familial relation mentioned?



Was wondering this as well and that family is one of my fav families because of the Alias clones and all. :)



I've never made any secret of the fact that I love the idea of the Alias clones.



It's too bad we've never had the wherewithal and time/demand to follow up on more stories of the Aliai (that's plural for Alias, pronounced just as if she were played by Jennifer Garner).

That said, she's the perfect woman--strong in every way, tattooed, and red-haired. Be still, me heart...

Steven
Who still seeks a Morticia to his Gomez

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jklang
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USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  05:10:49  Show Profile  Visit jklang's Homepage  Send jklang an AOL message  Send jklang an ICQ Message Send jklang a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah, yes, it was Danilo, my bad. Danilo, Giogi...Giogi, Danilo, guess i got then confudes. Danilo is who i would like to see more of.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  15:34:39  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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HEY ELAINE! You and I need to talk some time this weekend, if you've a moment! Have a few questions for this BLACKSTAFF revision I'm doing....


Sounds good! Just don't call between 6:30 and 7:00 on Sunday morning, as I have a live radio interview at that time.

Which leads me to wonder exactly how many fantasy readers anyone expects to be UP at that hour....
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  17:45:57  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
HEY ELAINE! You and I need to talk some time this weekend, if you've a moment! Have a few questions for this BLACKSTAFF revision I'm doing....


Sounds good! Just don't call between 6:30 and 7:00 on Sunday morning, as I have a live radio interview at that time.

Which leads me to wonder exactly how many fantasy readers anyone expects to be UP at that hour....



Times before noon really exist on weekends?

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Melfius
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USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  18:19:48  Show Profile  Visit Melfius's Homepage  Send Melfius an AOL message Send Melfius a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just thought they put those extra hours on the clock to make it round!

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Kajehase
Great Reader

Sweden
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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  20:12:10  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
HEY ELAINE! You and I need to talk some time this weekend, if you've a moment! Have a few questions for this BLACKSTAFF revision I'm doing....


Sounds good! Just don't call between 6:30 and 7:00 on Sunday morning, as I have a live radio interview at that time.

Which leads me to wonder exactly how many fantasy readers anyone expects to be UP at that hour....



Well, I usually return from work about then, pity about that whole time-zones thingy that puts me at least 5 hours ahead of America... (and way out of the radio-station's reach.

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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  22:20:21  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Which leads me to wonder exactly how many fantasy readers anyone expects to be UP at that hour....



Times before noon really exist on weekends?



Apparently y'all don't have "little alarm clocks" that get up at 5:30 AM every single day. ;-)

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Melfius
Senior Scribe

USA
516 Posts

Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  22:23:52  Show Profile  Visit Melfius's Homepage  Send Melfius an AOL message Send Melfius a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I have a 'little alarm clock', but I have trained her to stay asleep until 10!

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2005 :  22:31:27  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My very loud alarm (as I am at best 50% hearing) wakes me up at 450am, then 458am, then 506am, or whenever until I stop hitting the snooze button and get my butt outta bed...

Today, working at home on the novel, I luxuriated in bed until the very late hour of 750am! And then I read a little until finally getting up at 830! THAT'S really late for this early riser....

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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore

USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 :  00:01:20  Show Profile  Visit Mournblade's Homepage  Send Mournblade an AOL message  Click to see Mournblade's MSN Messenger address  Send Mournblade a Yahoo! Message Send Mournblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ick summer vacation is over and now I have to resume my wake up time of 5:15 am starting thursday. What a sucky thing!


A wizard is Never late Frodo Baggins. Nor is he Early. A wizard arrives precisely when he means to...
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Kuje
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USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 :  00:22:02  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cough,

Hey, let's get back on topic please. :)

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
1632 Posts

Posted - 27 Aug 2005 :  15:55:50  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's hoping I can track down a copy of DRAGON 335 today.....if only to see what Eric's been up to....

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Llah
Acolyte

Ukraine
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 :  16:23:50  Show Profile  Visit Llah's Homepage Send Llah a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Steven, and how are my poor questions :) about poor Myth Drannor&
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
1632 Posts

Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  03:54:19  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Hi, Stiven. Accessory "Fall of Myth Drannor" is one of the best FR products for me. This book impressed me a lot, as the "Elminster in Myth Drannor", which I read earlier so I want to write some fan-fiction collection of essays about the Fall. But when the first three stories were ready, I run into some problems. And these problems are in the following questions. I already asked them to Ed Greenwood, and Wooly advised me to ask them for you too. So:
1. The main theme of collection is the story of Iolas Eyriendor, Arykerym of Ak'Velahr, whose name was mentioned in the "Fall of Myth Drannor". He was described, as traitor, but I'd think a lot about his deeds…and asked myself: "And what if this man only executed a command?". So I read this book again and thought: "Hmm, the Fall was very bad event for all…except Noble Houses. They regain Old Elven Court, closed it for all non-elves, unruly commanders (such as Captain Selorn and Major Olortynaal) were dead, and the N'Tel'Quess-members of Council also were killed. This is very interesting". And after two days, when I sat at the table with pencil and paper, I suddenly stop writing and thought: "And what, if the Houses decided to surrender Myth Drannor with all its N'Tel'Quess?" So the first question to Ed is - "Could Houses decide to do this, or not? Could they decide to destroy the whole city for the restoration of elven glory?"


Still can't find my copy of FALL, but I've made you wait overlong for a response. This is a fascinating way to revisit and rethink the Weeping War and it's definitely valid. I'd venture to guess at least 3 gold elf histories portray it all as "this is how we saved the glory of Cormanthor from the sullying touch of demons and n'tel'quess alike!"

To directly answer your questions, it's certainly within the realm of possibility that this is EXACTLY what some Houses did. That's why the city's unity fell apart so quickly after Eltargrim's passing (quickly in elf terms, that is).

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2. Second question. During the Twilight's Falling Lady Steel and a lot of Harpers at Twilight died. But what role did they play in Myth Drannor? Was their death important or nor? And could the Houses decide to kill her for the best of all golden elves?



Good question, and one I'd rather beg off on answering definitively right now...and thus, the NDA cloak descends once again upon Candlekeep.....

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3. In the description of the battle, which was named Dawn at Erolith's Knoll, the name of Erolith was mentioned. Is there any information about this "noted sylvan elf scout and warrior."



Everything I know about Erolith is in FOMD, but once I reread the sourcebook, I may resurrect some old story ideas...we'll see...

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4. Human-mage Nezras, who later was named, as Traitor? Played some role in the Fall. There is no information about him, except notes about his participations in battles and his wedding with elven wizardress Raejiisa Sicafei. There are two questions - Is there anything about his life? - and - Could the family Sicafei agree with this wedding for the future use of Nezras during the War?


I could have sworn I put in the whys and wherefores of Nezras going traitor. Did that get split up into Cormanthyr & FoMD? This'll be another I'll come back to for more later, but brief answers for you are no (alas, for now) and quite possibly.....

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5. During the Silvergate Battle? Elminster Aumar detonated the portal between Silverymoon and Myth Drannon from within. Here is the citation from the rulebook - "Elminster was lost among the planes for a time, due to his task of destroying the gate from within". Is any information about El's traveling between planes?



No info; just a maguffin to answer people's long-time questions at that time as to why the Chosen didn't help save Myth Drannor, given all their power. Even if I had info on that, it'd be Ed's story to tell, anyways.

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6. During The Third Court Crusade 2/3 of Captain Selorn's forces were leaved in the restored Elven Court. He was a good commander and had to understood, that with 1/3 of army he couldn't do nothing in Myth Drannor - only die. So the question is: What was more important for Selorn, as a Captain of Ak'Velahr and also the son of the House Selorn - the order of Houses, representatives which formed the Council of Elven Court, or his duty before Myth Drannor?



Again, I'll recheck, but I'd say that Selorn's duty and vows to the akh'velahr and to Myth Drannor took precedence over his House and his family. Remember, the guy's a lifetime soldier, he's the commander, and that makes the army much more his family than his House. And honestly, given the politics of elven families (especially noble Houses), isn't it more conceivable that his loyalties to Eltargrim are far greater than his relatives?

That said, a lot of the final months of the Weeping War were meant to be a number of "Charge of the Light Brigade" sort of moments, including Selorn's sacrifice. He couldn't disobey direct orders of the nobility (who still had power...or perhaps some other ways to coerce him into accepting this, so he kept the cream of his troops and left the wounded or lessers with them), but neither could he turn his back on Myth Drannor.

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7. And the last question. The Bane Duel. The last hope of Myth Drannor…or no? Or may be the hope was dead long ago? The last question is: IF Captain Fflar defeated Aulmpiter and stay alive, could he save the City of Song, or not?
That's all. I'll be very grateful for answers.



Well, one rule of my writing comes from my love of comic books: If I don't leave a body behind when a character is declared dead, never rule out the possibility that (s)he might be back......and another read-through of FOMD will show that quite a few famous folk never left corpses behind....

Hope some of these answers help you, Llah; I'll try and track down FOMD and get more details into this where I can.

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Dargoth
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Australia
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  04:06:55  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Steven Fall of Myth Drannor is freebie from the WOTC site

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/2/fr_downloads/tsr9558.zip

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  04:16:45  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Steven Fall of Myth Drannor is freebie from the WOTC site

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/2/fr_downloads/tsr9558.zip



Thanks, but I've got it somewhere on disc....I just can't put my hands on it. If I still don't find it this weekend, I'll put my weak-tea of a dialup service to work downloading it for a few hours late night Sunday....


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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Steven Fall of Myth Drannor is freebie from the WOTC site

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/2/fr_downloads/tsr9558.zip



Thanks, but I've got it somewhere on disc....I just can't put my hands on it. If I still don't find it this weekend, I'll put my weak-tea of a dialup service to work downloading it for a few hours late night Sunday....





'Tis a small enough file that on 56k, it should only take a few minutes.

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khorne
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  07:51:48  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So Myth Drannor fell largely because the Gold elf nobles weakened it from within..............I`m not an elf-hater like Malar but these "high" elfs as they also call themselves are bringing forth the ithyak-orthel within me...........

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  13:01:12  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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So Myth Drannor fell largely because the Gold elf nobles weakened it from within..............I`m not an elf-hater like Malar but these "high" elfs as they also call themselves are bringing forth the ithyak-orthel within me...........



Yes, they have to shoulder some blame, but not quite all of it....they weren't alone in being petty, opportunistic, xenophobic, or merely paranoid. There were lots of people and factors culpable. They just had more influence and ways in which to affect things.

Like many things, the dream rarely survives unless Everyone is equally invested in it...and despite centuries of trying, Myth Drannor always had its divisions.

Me, I'd rather focus on the people who GOT it and embraced Oacenth's Vow and Eltargrim's Dream, even if many of them died noble but tragic deaths. Better to dream and hope of better worlds than to hold too tightly onto the status quo and what you already know....for there lies stagnation and death. Which evidenced in the Retreat in many ways....

just as the resurgence of elves onto Faerun is accomplished by those elves who DON'T hold cotton with prejudices and traditions of old. If/when the elves reclaim Cormanthor, I suspect they may be more apt to cooperate and ally with Dalesmen than in times past, as they've learned that walling oneself off only leads to sieges....

SES

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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  13:52:21  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Well, one rule of my writing comes from my love of comic books: If I don't leave a body behind when a character is declared dead, never rule out the possibility that (s)he might be back......and another read-through of FOMD will show that quite a few famous folk never left corpses behind....


And I like too much of this, too. What bring us to my cormyrean/dalelands campaign, and my interest in the fate of Garnet! Since I read these marvelous text of "Garnet´s Pyre" in the FoMD, I´m wondering the possibilities of the noble red are still alive (and captive, of course ). Two great dangerous possibilities came to my mind: Klauth (FRCS), because he have used some strange magic to syphoon the life force of other dragons to himself; or Daurgothot (sp?), the Creeeping Doom (Wyrms of the North article), a dracolich that´s using magic to emulate the breath of the other chromatics.

So, I´m interested in see if you have some more info to share with us about the fate of Garnet, and what you think of the possibilities mentioned. Only to mention, this mission of "rescue the red dragon" is a real distant project (adventurers are third level, yet...), but I´m very excited with the possibilities. The return of Fflar, and the possible return of Garnet, and the unity desires of the Arun´s Son will bring back a great spark of hope in the hearts of all those who seek the unity of the good-hearted people.

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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  13:55:33  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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...Who among the related NPCs linked to Khelben do you most want to see/expect to see in that story? (Bear in mind this excludes the obvious ones of his wife and probably her fellow Chosen. I was wondering if you all expected a parade of ex-apprentices or new people...)



The Grey Hands! With Harshnagg, and all!

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khorne
Master of Realmslore

Finland
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  17:36:47  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Something with the gray hands would be nice, since as far as I know they haven`t been mentioned in a single realms novel

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Brom Greenstar
Seeker

Argentina
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 :  18:29:25  Show Profile  Visit Brom Greenstar's Homepage Send Brom Greenstar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
About the Return of the elves, I was having this strange thought that maybe worshipers of Eilistraee could be involved, and helping. That would be the perfect mirror of the Coronal's Dream, IMO.
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Llah
Acolyte

Ukraine
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Great thanks! It'll not only help me a lot. It's really wonderful, when you receive some new information about one of the most intriguing events in the histor of FR. It will be even more wonderful, if you later could find some additional information, but even these answers are...fantastic. Thank you!
<Well, one rule of my writing comes from my love of comic books: If I don't leave a body behind when a character is declared dead, never rule out the possibility that (s)he might be back......and another read-through of FOMD will show that quite a few famous folk never left corpses behind....>
Hmm, if Fflar isn't between alive, and isn't between dead, could we say, that Aulmpiter the Nycaloth may also be alive? And one day they'll continue their fight?
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El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 06 Sep 2005 :  07:57:37  Show Profile  Visit El Magnifico Uno's Homepage Send El Magnifico Uno a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Scrolls Ardentym... "These scrolls constitute a military tactical text on spellcasting in combat and they also record a number of unique spells for the Akh#146;Faer"... 38 pages of vellum that take a group of high nages over 500 years to write?... Anymore light that can be shed on this?... After 5 centuries of work, one can draw two conclusions -
A) They were really lazy mages...
B) It's a terribly powerful item...
Given that the correct answer is "B", was there anymore development to this idea? Or is it just a red herring for DMs to play with?
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