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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 13 Nov 2008 :  08:10:38  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Whatever you can find that isn't suppressed, I'm grateful for. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the Cormyr lineage document is still NDA, much to the chagrin of Brian ("Garen Thal") and Ed, as most of the nagging questions I have are concerned with that mythical document known as the Cormyr Lineage. I fail to see the continued post-Spellplague-timeline-jump relevance of the NDA, but I'm trying to accept the fact that some lore was written simply to be locked away and never seen.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
1631 Posts

Posted - 13 Nov 2008 :  16:35:54  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk

Whatever you can find that isn't suppressed, I'm grateful for. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the Cormyr lineage document is still NDA, much to the chagrin of Brian ("Garen Thal") and Ed, as most of the nagging questions I have are concerned with that mythical document known as the Cormyr Lineage. I fail to see the continued post-Spellplague-timeline-jump relevance of the NDA, but I'm trying to accept the fact that some lore was written simply to be locked away and never seen.



One of the larger purposes of Non-Disclosure Agreements is less a legal implication and more a professional kindness--If there's something even distantly related to what the folks at WotC (and their authors, wherever they may be) have an interest in publishing, it stays under NDA. To have directly-competing lore out there does no one any good, especially if it might give away some important plot points.

In short, NDAs keep a lot of us from stepping on each other's toes and squashing many a story because other lore came out and shifted the direction of a character or place or whatnot.

While I always made sure to check with Ed before I went off on a wild tear in the Realms (back when I was a designer, and now when it's just an excuse to call up a friend), I'm certain I inadvertently stepped on his and others' toes more than once because of certain choices I made as a designer or author. To do that for a canonical professional product is one thing (and we authors learn to roll with the punches); to do it outside the control of the people who own the trademarks is quite another. (And remember that in order for WotC to retain the trademark, they have to show that they police its use--yet another legal reason to keep all lore only as published.)

I'm not saying it's not frustrating or that we don't feel your pain. We do--and in some ways it's worse if you know what's behind the curtain and you can't throw it back to reveal it. Did you know it took me about 15 years to publish that story about the sharn (in Blackstaff and I only could really share it with a few fellow authors until then? Sometimes it's not the right time to tell the story/lore...until it is.

Nothing's written for the Realms with the purpose of locking it up and hiding it. If it's in Ed's (or my or anyone else's) power, he'll share it gleefully, merrily, and sometimes ecstatically. But if there's a chance that a character or story or locale or thingummy factors into a current plan for publishing, the NDA cloak remains. And since there's no telling exactly where they're going with the online material, a lot's remaining hidden to be on the safe side.

I keep coming back to this thought re: NDAs and 105 years of unspanned history--I created Rhymanthiin and I have an image of it in my head. I've also crafted a lot of lore on the Blackstaff, the tower, etc. That said, unless I pitch an article to Chris Youngs for an article on the City of Hope or more on Blackstaff Tower and it gets accepted and commissioned or purchased, what's in my head should not impede a staff writer or someone else from crafting lore on them.


As for Khelben's family, the trick there with the toe-stepping I mentioned? I could cobble together the family tree and reveal every single person across the Realms who might possibly be related by blood to the old Nameless One...and people would perhaps like it. But what if someone has a great story in them predicated on the idea that they're a long-hidden descendant of Khelben and one of his previous wives? I'd hate to be the guy who got in the way of that...cuz I want to read any story that's good.

That said, the hint in the novel? Sarael was Arun's elder half-brother, a great sorcerer and crafter of items in Myth Drannor, and one of the few Maerdryms who actually liked and talked with the young boy (who'd later be Khelben). That's why one of Khelben's few sons was given his treasured uncle's name.

As for Sarael Arunsun the Trollscourge, that's a story for another time...and it's mine to tell, since I put that statue of him in the City of the Dead....

Steven

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Jakk
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Canada
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Posted - 13 Nov 2008 :  17:16:58  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you very much for the enlightenment, on both the NDAs and Sarael. Any ideas as to when we can expect that story from you?

Second () edit: I understand the stated purpose of the NDAs, in terms of keeping designers from stepping on each other's toes in product development; what I don't understand is why existing "framework" lore (like the Cormyr Lineage) can't be released, with the caveat that "this isn't all there is". It's easy enough to slip a forgotten sibling or descendant in somewhere, if someone needs a new character to fill a role in a story, and it provides the lore-hungry DMs (like myself) with the information they need to craft their campaigns. The fact that the stories about these individuals haven't been told should in no way impede the existence of said individuals for the gaming community. I've commented elsewhere (I'll see if I can track down the scroll) on the difficulty of using the same world for gaming products and novels, which is largely what has led us down the path of ever-growing Hollywood-esque Really Silly Explosions. I've played all editions of the Realms, but my experience as a DM has been entirely in the last 19 years (onset of 2E and later), and I'm looking now at resetting my Realms to pre-ToT and re-developing the following 30 years from the beginning, cherry-picking from events and in particular ignoring the ToT, the Return of the Archwizards, and the Spellplague (at least as described in canon). Maybe by then, I'll be ready to retire (I'm 36 now) and some of these current NDAs will be retired as well.

Edit: My primary frustration over the NDAs comes from the Cormyr lineage and the Thronestrife in particular. I have the entire line (as published) mapped out, but there is no direct (parent-child) connection in the succession during the Thronestrife, so I have two massive chunks of genealogy sitting next to each other with no cement to hold the blocks in place. The story of the Thronestrife, preferably told by someone like Ed or yourself, is the story I'm really waiting for, but if Wizards isn't going to be looking at the pre-Spellplague era now, that's a story that isn't going to get told, and that seems... well... "wrong" isn't strong enough a word for it.

Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.

If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic.

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 18 Nov 2008 :  04:27:37  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-Sage Schend, I've got it on good information that you'd be able to hook me up, here. To make a long story short, (which you can read in this thread, http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11872), I'm trying to piece together some events that don't have officially published dates concerning Buiyrandyn, but, more specifically, the date in which Qilue assaulted the Pit of Ghaunadaur. Kuje mentioned that you penned a lot of the Qilue section, so if anyone would be able to shed some illumination on the issue, it'd be you.

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 :  16:35:43  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I first mentioned it here:
http://brainstormfront.livejournal.com/136484.html

The Sage and Wooly helped me iron out a few details, but it's now live.

Come visit my new website at http://www.steveneschend.com and see the bits and pieces come together on a number of fictional worlds at once.

It's not a place for me to discuss the Realms--that's what this board/forum is for--or my work-for-hire with someone else's company. This is where I'll natter with all and any about the stuff I've been writing the past few years that I own.

There's links to all my writing (including my FR novels) on the main page's sidebar, as are links to many and sundry places and peoples of interest.

At www.stevenechend.com/forums, there's message boards to ask questions and discuss all the random and sundry stuff that gets posted and blogged about. You're welcome to post comments on the blogs, but the in-depth discussions will be on the forums.

If you're a fan of fantasy or comics or pulps or meta-fictions, this may be just the thing you've been looking for. If you're just wondering what I'm working on or writing next, this will give you many hints (and I may just say outright in the forums).

If you've ever wondered if an author knows what's in the books his characters are reading within his writing, this site will tell you--I do. In fact, I can give you the publishing history of characters, authors, and any spin-off media that tie to that story or book or graphic novel.

I really hope my fans here come join us over at my site as well; you're all welcome and I hope the material there either inspires some of you in your own writing or moves you to try out my other works beyond the Realms.

Steven

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 :  19:32:02  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dagnirion

-Sage Schend, I've got it on good information that you'd be able to hook me up, here. To make a long story short, (which you can read in this thread, http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11872), I'm trying to piece together some events that don't have officially published dates concerning Buiyrandyn, but, more specifically, the date in which Qilue assaulted the Pit of Ghaunadaur. Kuje mentioned that you penned a lot of the Qilue section, so if anyone would be able to shed some illumination on the issue, it'd be you.



Without doing more hard research on this topic, I'm going on the discussion from that other thread (and I'll post this there too).

I can't give you an absolute, definitive answer on this (i.e. "It was a Tuesday. Rained that day. The dog caught a mole in the yard."), or rather I won't. Simple reason--it's too easy to trip up and set a date and then have to walk it back for one reason or other (as George Krashos and Eric Boyd will tell you, having cleaned up my manuscripts before).

That said, I think the span between 837 and 1055 DR is a very good benchmark for when this happened; if you need an absolutely solid date, just set it at 837 (when Qilue is a fresh 60 year old drow, long before she builds the Promenade) and it still matches with other references.

Now, as for the "demihumans age at the same rate" issue, it's a non-starter as far as my opinion goes. You can state that "this is how it is now" and claim that "it's always been like this;" that's fine from a game rule POV, but as for the lore already established, it can't be dismissed so readily. Thus, within the game, yes, demihumans age the same rate. However, as a matter of story and narrative and lore, there's differences that won't affect your game at all (such as when an elf reaches puberty or whatnot) that can be left alone.

That's my suggestion--honor the older lore, rather than force a lot of unnecessary changes retroactively because of a decision made for the game side of things.

Steven

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althen artren
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Posted - 19 Nov 2008 :  21:29:04  Show Profile Send althen artren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Greetings Friend Steven:

I was wondering, do you have the names of the 4 other High Mages
at the Claiming Chaos in FoMD?
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 01 Dec 2008 :  17:18:48  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-I don't want to sound like a noodge, but...()

-Steve, do you have any extra information floating around anywhere about the training and combat tactics/style of the Akh'Velahr, similar in vein to the information that Mr. De Bie provided in his response in his thread? I'm just looking to collect info about various Elven fighting styles, and being the Cormanthyr guy, I figured there'd be a lot of potential there.

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sfdragon
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 09 Dec 2008 :  09:40:51  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
got to look at the receipt the other day..


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


the book came back yesterday.
thankyou Steven

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Lemernis
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Posted - 14 Dec 2008 :  11:15:28  Show Profile  Visit Lemernis's Homepage Send Lemernis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Steven, some questions about Amn's city of Eshpurta:

To refresh your memory, a brief synopsis of the city's history:

In 491 DR Esphurta was founded by the kingdom of Cortyrn (then Amn's eastern neighbor) as its northernmost city and as a fishing center. The realm was founded by Tethyrian and Calishite nobles who wished to resurrect the former glory of the Shoon dynasty. In 731 DR Cortryn was conquered by a beholder cult. The beholder cult was in turn vanquished by the elves of Shilmista following a 26 year war. Evidently the forest elves had no interest in the surrounding land outside their forest. In 760 DR Amn assumed ownership of the realm formerly known as Cortyrn, including Eshpurta.

The questions:

1) The mention of Eshpurta being a fishing center is interesting. Cortryn included the former halfling realm of Meiritin, which had established settlements on the eastern shores of Lake Esmel, and would therefore have been a plentiful source of fish. Still, Eshpurta is located at the confluence of Trifin Creek and the Rimril River to form the source of the Amstel River. Did this location offer exceptionally good fishing?

And what is the source for Trifin Creek and the Rimril River? Natural springs? It doesn't appear to be runnoff from the Troll mountains, since those two rivers don't run through Snakewood.

2) Was Amn's conquest of Cortryn basically an uncontested annexation? One would think the kingdom of Cortryn must have been ravaged by such a lengthy war, and had little fight left in it. Or did Amn have to wrest control of Cortryn from whatever was left of its people? One would think Cortryn's inhabitants would likely have welcomed Amnian rule after a generation of enslavement by Beholders--though there could understandably been resentment toward Amn given that it apparently didn't lift a finger to help liberate them.

There's no mention of Tethyr attempting to claim Cortryn after its collapse.

3) Eshpurta specializes in the production of armor and weapons due to nickel and iron deposits from the nearby Troll Mountains. Miners make their homes there. And Eshpurta became a kind of Amnian military headquarters, stationing a large contingent of soldiers. (Sounds much like the mountain fortresses Citadels Amnur and Rashturl except located citadel within a city.)

The city is therefore also the unlikely location of an artists’ colony. Could the artists' colony be a surviving feature of Cortyrn?

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ravennight
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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 :  08:27:17  Show Profile  Visit ravennight's Homepage Send ravennight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much for all the info from Blackstaff Tower, I've been working my way through notes of my own on Waterdeep in 1479.

I have two questions:

1) I was hoping you could tell us what has happened to the Seven Sisters. I know from the 4th edition campaign guide that the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale and Alustriel has passed away. What happened to Laeral, she is gone by the time of the novel but I can't remember if there is a specific reference to how/when she died. Also, what happened to Storm, since she doesn't seem to be living at her farm anymore? The others I'm not quite as curious about.

2) I was hoping to submit fiction a proposal for fiction revolving around the return of Azuth. What is the status of Azuth in the current canon work? Are there plans on the boards to bring him back already? Hoping you can give me some insight, I'd love to submit the novel I'm working on.
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 :  14:00:00  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight

Thank you so much for all the info from Blackstaff Tower, I've been working my way through notes of my own on Waterdeep in 1479.

I have two questions:

1) I was hoping you could tell us what has happened to the Seven Sisters. I know from the 4th edition campaign guide that the Simbul is hiding away in Shadowdale and Alustriel has passed away. What happened to Laeral, she is gone by the time of the novel but I can't remember if there is a specific reference to how/when she died. Also, what happened to Storm, since she doesn't seem to be living at her farm anymore? The others I'm not quite as curious about.


I know that Qilue was killed in the last batch of Lolth novels and Sylune passed over in the Shadowdale adventure book. It's been generally assumed that Storm, Laeral, Alustriel and Dove have not survived the Spellplague, leaving only the Symbul.

I'd love to get some details on the 'girls' as well, though, even though I'm not following canon in my game anymore.
quote:
Originally posted by ravennight

2) I was hoping to submit fiction a proposal for fiction revolving around the return of Azuth. What is the status of Azuth in the current canon work? Are there plans on the boards to bring him back already? Hoping you can give me some insight, I'd love to submit the novel I'm working on.


Azuth wound up down in Asmodeus' realm after Mystra's death and his divinity was taken by the devil. I'm assuming that means he's dead and gone, but, as Steven points out numerous times, if there's no body...

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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ravennight
Acolyte

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Posted - 29 Dec 2008 :  16:45:28  Show Profile  Visit ravennight's Homepage Send ravennight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the reference on Azuth, Ashe, I found the passage in the 4th edition Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book for Asmodeus that talks about his having killed Azuth and subsumed his divine essence. Since Azuth was a mortal to begin with, however, I wonder how that would effect his 'death' especially since dead gods float in the Astral Sea as corpses/remnants. I also wonder what it means for the artifacts he was tied to in the Realms, and whether a portion of his essence could survive in one of those, just as Myrkul survived in the Crown of Horns.

Just shooting out a couple ideas.
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Zanan
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Germany
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 :  16:45:27  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Mr. Schend and a good year!

Right now I read The Fractured Sky by Thomas M. Reid and double-checked on the background of Kaanyr Vhok in the adventure Hellgate Keep. In there I spotted the name of Vhok's mother, the marilith Mulvassyss the Sceptered. For some reason I seem to remember that he gained his scepter by killing her, but cannot find that piece of information. Hence my question whether this is some bit of info that does not relate to Vhok and whether Mulvassyss (to your knowledge) would still be alive?

Thanks in advance,

Zanan!

*NB: No, I'm not ravennight in disguise (or vice versa).

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

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Brimstone
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-Asmodeus had Azuth with some Fava Beans and Red Wine ala Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs.


BRIMSTONE

"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 :  15:00:31  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I know that Qilue was killed in the last batch of Lolth novels and Sylune passed over in the Shadowdale adventure book. It's been generally assumed that Storm, Laeral, Alustriel and Dove have not survived the Spellplague, leaving only the Symbul.



Ed has said that between Dove and Storm, one of them is definitely still alive.

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 :  17:06:38  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Apologies for those waiting for detailed answers from me; I'm swamped (and I'm unable to juggle things as well as Ed) and hoping to get back here more regularly soon. I can provide some short answers, though:

No, I don't know the current status of Azuth or any of the Seven Sisters, as I'm neither an in-house staffer nor privy to much gossip these days (and what gossip I do hear falls under NDAs, alas). Sorry about that.

Yes, Mulvassyss the Sceptered is dead as far as I was concerned, but if you want her to crawl away (sorely wounded but alive) to dog Vhok's steps in your own games, go right ahead. That's devious (and you'll have to explain how she survived the destruction of Hellgate Keep).

Right. Time to get back to work. More later, gentles. Patience, praise, and pretties to all.

Steven

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Ashe Ravenheart
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I know that Qilue was killed in the last batch of Lolth novels and Sylune passed over in the Shadowdale adventure book. It's been generally assumed that Storm, Laeral, Alustriel and Dove have not survived the Spellplague, leaving only the Symbul.



Ed has said that between Dove and Storm, one of them is definitely still alive.


Don't make me choose which one I want to see more!

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 29 Jan 2009 :  19:24:10  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Don't make me choose which one I want to see more!



Tell that to the people in charge of designing the setting--there's nothing I can do. In my Realms, they're all still alive.

Oh yeah, on Azuth--he's dead, killed by Asmodeus (who then absorbed his power and became a deity in the FR).

"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)

Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 29 Jan 2009 19:24:55
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Ashe Ravenheart
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Don't make me choose which one I want to see more!



Tell that to the people in charge of designing the setting--there's nothing I can do. In my Realms, they're all still alive.

Oh yeah, on Azuth--he's dead, killed by Asmodeus (who then absorbed his power and became a deity in the FR).



As well in my Realms. Syluné is the only one to pass on, since the Shadowdale adventure actually had good reason and story behind her passing.

I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.

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althen artren
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If wanting a slightly different flavor, I had Sylune become
unable to communicate for a generation or two due to the
complete emptying out of the silver fire in her to help the PC's,
but if one is not using the Spellplague, you could have her keep
absorbing the Weave until she returns to the land of the almost living.
Kind of like what DC did to Superman in the first battle with Doomsday,
saying he could have lived if they would have kept him in the sun.
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Zanan
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Posted - 30 Jan 2009 :  23:11:27  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info on Kaanyr's mum!

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

In memory of Alura Durshavin.

Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerūn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more.
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Brimstone
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-I agree.


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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
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The Simbul
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Blackstaff Tower
Chapter 20
Page 236
Line 16

The four words: "..either of their lifetimes.." pretty much slashed in twain my otherwise insuperable enthusiasm for this book with a vorpal dagger to the heart.

Why was it necessary to officially declare Laeral as being dead (at least insofar as Krehlan's kirra spirit is/was aware) when her fate--and the fate of a great number of other characters--was left untouched by the 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, and therefore left for a DM to determine?

As far as the setting as a whole is concerned, I simply do not see the necessity for her to have passed on. Specifically when Rhymaanthiin is so 'removed' from the rest of the realms, and when--like Elminster and the Simbul--she would reverted to an "ordinary" NPC wizard (albeit with the immortal creature type and multiclass ranger abilities) in the aftermath of Mystra's fall...and therefore would no longer be such a (to paraphrase Chris Perkins--who obviously never saw any of the 3E stats for the Chosen of Mystra) "uber-powerful" campaign impediment.

The Rhymanthiin sidebar in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide mentioned Laeral by name, and mentioned that the City of Hope still exists, and that those with malice in their hears cannot find it. But unlike Khelben, it did not give any indication that she was dead. That gave me a great deal of hope, and the drive to read through to the end of Blackstaff Tower far too quickly than is my normal pace, eschewing my normal routine of taking meticulous character notes or participating in (usually just by reading everyone else's comments) Book Club discussions.

Then I learned she was dead, and my desire to finish the tome diminished into feeble embers.

I simply do not see why is was necessary to seal her fate with what could have ultimately been a throw-away line. Renaer could have easily "name-dropped" Khelben alone to give Krehlan a shock, given the absent-father bitterness issues he is alluded to have had. By all accounts I believe Laeral's fate could have been left up in the air, as it has been so far with Dove and Storm, and I really wish it would have been.

Beyond that, Blackstaff Tower is nonetheless one of my favorite FR novels, and as far as those that take place in the 4E era (Shadowrealm does not count) it is my sole favorite among them....even if I have to tap my own DM creativity to explain why Krehlan was "mistaken" or "misled" about his mother's ultimate fate.

Edited by - The Simbul on 01 Feb 2009 04:41:05
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Steven

hypothetically, how much would the population of Myth Nantar grow in numbers from 1371 DR to 1374 DR


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