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Kuje
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 Posted - 11 Oct 2008 : 18:52:28
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She spent a few months to a year or two helping El rebuild himself after he was sent to Hell in 1372ish. See El in Hell and also Ed's Best of Ed Greenwood anthology because she also is in one of those short stories.
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By the way, did the Srinshee do anyhting in the years between the fall and the re-taking of Myth Drannor? And what does she generally do? Guard the Vault of Ages? Do mysterious stuff? Research magic?
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narnra08
Acolyte
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Posted - 11 Oct 2008 : 21:27:42
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Mr Schend,
I love your books but I was wondering the name of Kelben and Laurel's Daughter? |
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sfdragon
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Oct 2008 : 23:00:43
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Originally posted by narnra08
Mr Schend,
I love your books but I was wondering the name of Kelben and Laurel's Daughter?
that might be under the NDA you know. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 12 Oct 2008 : 07:00:26
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Maybe, but you could make an educated guess ... 
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
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Posted - 12 Oct 2008 : 14:42:10
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| Kelrel! (Based on the fact that in DL, the children of Characters named Usha and Palin were, predictably, Linsha and Ulin) |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 12 Oct 2008 : 23:44:49
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 That might work - if the Realms were DL. But they're not. I'd suggest looking along familial lines.
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
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Posted - 13 Oct 2008 : 09:16:34
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| I don't know. I mean, it depends if you believe the whole mess about 'Khelben messed with Laeral's brain - she doesn't really love him - she hates him'. If this is true, the names would probably be one-sided - that is, chosen by only parent. If they aren't, the names are two -sided (agreed upon by both Laeral and Khelben). |
"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.
"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.
"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 13 Oct 2008 : 16:32:32
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The killer of Aravae Irithyl was revealed to be (surprise, surprise) the Starym. In LEoF I think. The coverage and discussion on this revelation was ... brief.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 14:55:51
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Originally posted by narnra08
Mr Schend,
I love your books but I was wondering the name of Kelben and Laurel's Daughter?
Alas, the name and life/fate of Khelben and Laeral's daughter (and Krehlan's twin) is yet under an NDA at present (as sfdragon guessed), but I'll check with my editor to see if it's okay to mention her. I suspect another author may beat me to it, though.....
As for her naming, only her mother was alive by the time of her birth. While she might have talked about possibilities with Khelben, the events in BLACKSTAFF note why and how he was occupied for the last few days. Thus, the naming of the children was done by Laeral (with perhaps some input from her mother).
Steven
who'd love to share more ideas about the twins but doesn't want to step on other writers' toes and force them into telling his stories (any more than he'd want someone to do that to him) |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1518 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 14:58:41
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
I don't know. I mean, it depends if you believe the whole mess about 'Khelben messed with Laeral's brain - she doesn't really love him - she hates him'. If this is true, the names would probably be one-sided - that is, chosen by only parent. If they aren't, the names are two -sided (agreed upon by both Laeral and Khelben).
Where'd this theory of Khelben-mind-messing come from, Menelvagor? I know I've heard bits and pieces of similar ideas in the past, but wondered where folks got that idea....
Steven
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 15:05:00
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I think it's from the same people that brought you such other great rumors as:
"Elminster's my baby's daddy!" (voted most likely to be true)
"The Simbul's secretly plotting with the Red Wizards to take over the world."
"Drizzt is a diva."
And, my personal favorite:
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3301 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 15:59:31
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
I don't know. I mean, it depends if you believe the whole mess about 'Khelben messed with Laeral's brain - she doesn't really love him - she hates him'. If this is true, the names would probably be one-sided - that is, chosen by only parent. If they aren't, the names are two -sided (agreed upon by both Laeral and Khelben).
Where'd this theory of Khelben-mind-messing come from, Menelvagor? I know I've heard bits and pieces of similar ideas in the past, but wondered where folks got that idea....
Steven
who's a firm believer that these two truly loved each other for centuries... but then, he's a romantic at heart (with no patience for modern romances)
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
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Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 18:06:11
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I read it in a description of her on the FR Wikia.
Here is the link: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Laeral_Silverhand
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"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.
"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
615 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 18:29:48
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
I read it in a description of her on the FR Wikia.
Here is the link: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Laeral_Silverhand
Where did they get this from, I have no idea.
Off the top of my hat - one of the 2nd Ed write-ups of Laeral mentioned that there was speculation that when Khelben released Laeral from the Crown of Horns, he did not so much release her as take over control from the Crown. It was noted that Laeral and/or Khelben occasionally played up the rumor, in order to lure potential enemies into the open by having them contact Laeral with a proposal to break the hold (I believe, but am not certain, that it was in The Seven Sisters. Maybe the rumor has taken on a life of its own in real life? |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1518 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 18:38:17
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
I read it in a description of her on the FR Wikia.
Here is the link: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Laeral_Silverhand
Where did they get this from, I have no idea.
Off the top of my hat - one of the 2nd Ed write-ups of Laeral mentioned that there was speculation that when Khelben released Laeral from the Crown of Horns, he did not so much release her as take over control from the Crown. It was noted that Laeral and/or Khelben occasionally played up the rumor, in order to lure potential enemies into the open by having them contact Laeral with a proposal to break the hold (I believe, but am not certain, that it was in The Seven Sisters. Maybe the rumor has taken on a life of its own in real life?
Now I remember. It was tossed out there (by Ed in Seven Sisters) as one potential rumor folk natter about and K&L let them believe, regardless of the truth of the matter.
Thanks, all. It's been a few years since I've reread that great sourcebook....
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Kamuraki
Learned Scribe
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 21:02:58
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| Hey Steve, I just reread Blackstaff Tower, and noticed you also reside in Grand Rapids, as well as teach here. Is that at college or grade school level? Also, we're supposed to get snow on Sunday and Monday. I don't know about you, but I'm not looking forward to it. :( |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 : 18:54:21
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Originally posted by Kamuraki
Hey Steve, I just reread Blackstaff Tower, and noticed you also reside in Grand Rapids, as well as teach here. Is that at college or grade school level? Also, we're supposed to get snow on Sunday and Monday. I don't know about you, but I'm not looking forward to it. :(
I've been teaching game writing and world building workshops at Grand LAN downtown on Division and Fountain. I'm planning to advertise and see if enough students are intereted in a class in early 2009.
As for the snow, I don't mind it as I'm working at home and don't have to commute in it. Also, I don't tend to be irritated or down on snow until about late January, really. I'm one of those people who'll take the dog on extra-long walks while it's snowing.
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Kamuraki
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2008 : 21:00:00
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| I should swing over and have you sign my copy of Blackstaff Tower. :P |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 19:22:36
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Originally posted by Kamuraki
I should swing over and have you sign my copy of Blackstaff Tower. :P
That could be arranged; check your PMs.
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 22:11:37
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A question about Rhymanthiin: Is Kraanfhaor's Door included in the restored area? I've found hints in other posts that suggest that it may be, but nothing conclusive. I did, however, find this little snippet:
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
<chop>... Dunno if it's mentioned, but I suspect that people can find Kraanfhaor's Door lies open, and an empty chamber lies beyond it after about 1377....
Second question: Does this mean that (a) the Srinshee was behind Kraanfhaor's Door (and (b) therefore, possibly, that it was a sealed portal to Arvandor)?
Third and final question, unrelated (to my knowledge) to the previous two: What was the ritual Halaster was trying to perform before his (far too untimely) demise? Anything like Szass Tam's Twin Burnings or Karsus' Avatar?
Edit: One more question: How many children did Khelben father before his (also untimely, but far more publicly noble) demise? I expect that this may be NDA...  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 22:46:27
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Well, there's this info, gathered from prior comments:
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Khelben's Marriages/Loves
Dates: 714 - 748
Name: Khelben I
Marital Status: Single
Children: 1 daughter (½elf)
Dates: c.748 - c.808
Name: "Hauliyr"
Marital Status: Married
Childrne: 2 daughters (½ elves) (Saheen Silverbrow)
Dates: 844 - 956
Name: "Halver Gehrin" [Khelben II (privately only)]
Marital Status: Married (½e)
Children: 2 daughters (one ½elf, one human)
Dates: 1100 - 1256
Name: Khelben III "the Elder"
Marital Status: Married (human) Children: 1 son, 1 daughter (twin h)
Married (human) Children: 2 daughters; 1 son(Zelphar)
Dates: 1302 - now
Name: Khelben IV "the Blackstaff"
Marital Status: Single
Children: Unknown (no children? Maura?)
Marriage/Love: 750 - 774
Wife/Lover: Mariel Silverbrow
Details: Half-elf wife; as human son of half-elf, his kids can be half-elves. Raised his half-elf daughters (751, 755) until 770, and they leave. training Syluné from 775 - 808 w/death; Saheen returns to finish Syluné's training.
Marriage/Love: 808-816
Wife/Lover: (Laeral)
Details: Realizes his truelove in Laeral, though circumstances don't allow the match to happen; Khelben's identity dies, leaving Laeral to grieve.
Marriage/Love: 830s?
Wife/Lover: (Laeral)
Details: Second missed opportunity; this time, it is Khelben who holds Laeral off
Marriage/Love: 866ish
Wife/Lover: (Laeral)
Details: Third missed opportunity, since Khelben is married in his alias as Halver. Don't see each other after sealing of Hellgate Keep for more than 200 years.
Marriage/Love: 862 - 879
Wife/Lover: (half-elf)
Details: Wife dies in childbirth after years of trying for kids, bearing twin daughters nearly identical save that one is half-elf and the other human.
Marriage/Love: 1080s?
Wife/Lover: (Laeral)
Details: She's married this time and he's tied up with Harperstuff….. Go nearly 300 years apart
Marriage/Love: 1109 - 1146
Wife/Lover: ? (human)
Details: Human wife in area near Yartar? Children grown & gone by 1130 (b. 1112); wife dies & K finally goes to Waterdeep as Khelben (later known as "the Elder")
Marriage/Love: 1238 - 1251?
Wife/Lover: Cassandra ?
Details: Human wife bears three kids in 1240, 1244, and 1249; 2-yr-old daughter dies in attack by Kerrigan the Traitor Lord in 1246. Disappears in 1251 after death of wife to deal with Harper business; Zelphar raised by cousins in Neverwinter and visited intermittently by Khelben (whose official death is set c.1280). Returns later as Ducat Eattel, his family gone from Waterdeep.
Marriage/Love: 1329 - present
Wife/Lover: Laeral
Details: Khelben entrenched in Waterdeep as the Blackstaff by 1322; pursues Laeral across the North at times, though she is part of the Nine now and is reluctant to finally consummate 500 years of missed opportunities and unrequited passion. Khelben continues, saving her from the Crown of Horns in 1357. By 1360, the pair is finally together & inseparable.
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:14:37
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| Thanks Wooly! |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2008 : 23:32:28
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Originally posted by Jakk
A question about Rhymanthiin: Is Kraanfhaor's Door included in the restored area? I've found hints in other posts that suggest that it may be, but nothing conclusive. I did, however, find this little snippet:
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
<chop>... Dunno if it's mentioned, but I suspect that people can find Kraanfhaor's Door lies open, and an empty chamber lies beyond it after about 1377....
No, Kraanfhaor's Door is most decidedly not within the restored area (at least as the map in my head tells me so).
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Second question: Does this mean that (a) the Srinshee was behind Kraanfhaor's Door (and (b) therefore, possibly, that it was a sealed portal to Arvandor)?
a) Nope; she had nothing to do with that site or realm so far as I know/remember (but if another designer or writer put her there, so be it...I just know what lies behind the door in my mind).
b) Possibly, sure, but most likely nope again; it really is/was a protected storehouse of lore. No portals, no gates, nothing other than knowledge and magic in there. (Again, as far as I was concerned when I scribbled down the nuggets on the doors...)
Granted, if you want either option to be true and it works best for your campaign, go right ahead. I was just stating that these weren't part of what I'd conceived when I wrote it.
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Third and final question, unrelated (to my knowledge) to the previous two: What was the ritual Halaster was trying to perform before his (far too untimely) demise? Anything like Szass Tam's Twin Burnings or Karsus' Avatar?
Beats the heck out of me; I'm not the guy who last wrote Halaster, so you'd have to ask that writer, methinks. I still haven't read the details of what happened to the old coot other than his apparent demise. From what I'd heard, it might have had to be a magic working of that scale level to have had the destructive potential it did....but I seriously doubt it was the latter.
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Edit: One more question: How many children did Khelben father before his (also untimely, but far more publicly noble) demise? I expect that this may be NDA...
It is and isn't an NDA--it's not like Khelben's around any more, so it doesn't impact the IP directly. What it does indirectly is litter the campaign world with children tied directly to the older characters, and that's something that WotC wants to get away from. Thus, officially, I'll say NDA.
Unofficially (since Wooly has provided older lore out there already...and it has to be adjusted slightly due to the two novels...), I'll say eleven, adding the twins Krehlan and [his sister] born in 1375 DR.
And I can't say (officially or unofficially) which of his kids are still alive, animate, or sapient. Just know that deaths are noted for a few of them in that timeline (including Sarael the Trollscourge, whose tomb plays a part in Blackstaff Tower).
Steven
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 09 Nov 2008 : 01:40:42
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by Jakk
A question about Rhymanthiin: Is Kraanfhaor's Door included in the restored area? I've found hints in other posts that suggest that it may be, but nothing conclusive. I did, however, find this little snippet:
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
<chop>... Dunno if it's mentioned, but I suspect that people can find Kraanfhaor's Door lies open, and an empty chamber lies beyond it after about 1377....
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quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Second question: Does this mean that (a) the Srinshee was behind Kraanfhaor's Door (and (b) therefore, possibly, that it was a sealed portal to Arvandor)?
a) Nope; she had nothing to do with that site or realm so far as I know/remember (but if another designer or writer put her there, so be it...I just know what lies behind the door in my mind).
b) Possibly, sure, but most likely nope again; it really is/was a protected storehouse of lore. No portals, no gates, nothing other than knowledge and magic in there. (Again, as far as I was concerned when I scribbled down the nuggets on the doors...)
Granted, if you want either option to be true and it works best for your campaign, go right ahead. I was just stating that these weren't part of what I'd conceived when I wrote it.
Okay... so, now that you've told me what it's not, can you say anything about what was behind the door? (he asks, expecting three little letters...)
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Edit: One more question: How many children did Khelben father before his (also untimely, but far more publicly noble) demise? I expect that this may be NDA...
It is and isn't an NDA--it's not like Khelben's around any more, so it doesn't impact the IP directly. What it does indirectly is litter the campaign world with children tied directly to the older characters, and that's something that WotC wants to get away from. Thus, officially, I'll say NDA.
Unofficially (since Wooly has provided older lore out there already...and it has to be adjusted slightly due to the two novels...), I'll say eleven, adding the twins Krehlan and [his sister] born in 1375 DR.
And I can't say (officially or unofficially) which of his kids are still alive, animate, or sapient. Just know that deaths are noted for a few of them in that timeline (including Sarael the Trollscourge, whose tomb plays a part in Blackstaff Tower).
Steven
who does know quite a bit about Khelben's bloodline and relatives but can't say too much, as what'd be the fun in that?
Thanks for those little bits of lore... can you say anything about the earlier generations (Arun's ancestors and siblings, for instance)? Old lore is good too... |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 10 Nov 2008 : 18:42:18
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There's a hint about Arun's half brother in the prologue to Blackstaff, but I'll have to go dig up very old notes to find out more about the family tree BEFORE Khelben. I'm afraid most of my work/notes flows from him, not to him.
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