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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer

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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  16:35:30  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I too would like to offer a great big thanks to Steven, not only for the autographed copy of Blackstaff Tower but for taking time out of his busy schedule to meet with me regarding the Ecology of the Sharn. Youre the quintessential Realms scholar Steven and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance.

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Skeptic
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  17:19:57  Show Profile Send Skeptic a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Is the City of Hope part of the 4E FRCG ?
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  18:16:58  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic


Is the City of Hope part of the 4E FRCG ?



It's in there; I've got more notes about it that (alas) fall under an NDA, but there's hope I'll be able to talk about things Rhymanthiian soon.

Steven

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  18:20:06  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

I too would like to offer a great big thanks to Steven, not only for the autographed copy of Blackstaff Tower but for taking time out of his busy schedule to meet with me regarding the Ecology of the Sharn. You�re the quintessential Realms scholar Steven and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance.



It was fun spending time chatting it up with you too, Brian. I apologize for (unlike George or Eric) being able to footnote my own musings with where I put that information.

Steven
who sorta wishes he'd brought his Grand History to get it signed by folks...but whose back is bad enough from all the other weight he lugged around most of Gen Con weekend

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sfdragon
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  19:18:53  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just wish i could by a signed copy of the Blackstaff tower novel.....


Can I buy a signed copy from you Steven Schend??

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Brimstone
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  19:44:06  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-City of Hope is in a side bar. It mentions that no one knows where it is, and only those of pure heart and spirit can enter when it is found! It also mentions how it was founded/created and why. I love it. The book gave me enough info to do with it as I wish.

-I am looking forward to Blackstaff Tower!


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Skeptic
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  19:46:34  Show Profile Send Skeptic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
It's in there; I've got more notes about it that (alas) fall under an NDA, but there's hope I'll be able to talk about things Rhymanthiian soon.



Maybe a mention of Laeral's fate ?
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  20:31:18  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

I just wish i could by a signed copy of the Blackstaff tower novel.....


Can I buy a signed copy from you Steven Schend??



Well, anyone who needs a signed copy can send me their purchased copy (along with a self-addressed stamped envelope with the right postage) and I'll happily sign and return the book. (Send me a PM and I'll send you the address for mailing.) I did this with a few copies of Blackstaff, and as far as I know, folks got their books back.

Or you just have to find out where I'm signing books and meet me there; I know I'll do at least one signing in Grand Rapids (at the Grand LAN game store downtown).

Steven

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sfdragon
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Posted - 19 Aug 2008 :  21:36:29  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

I just wish i could by a signed copy of the Blackstaff tower novel.....


Can I buy a signed copy from you Steven Schend??



Well, anyone who needs a signed copy can send me their purchased copy (along with a self-addressed stamped envelope with the right postage) and I'll happily sign and return the book. (Send me a PM and I'll send you the address for mailing.) I did this with a few copies of Blackstaff, and as far as I know, folks got their books back.

Or you just have to find out where I'm signing books and meet me there; I know I'll do at least one signing in Grand Rapids (at the Grand LAN game store downtown).

Steven

I'll keep this in mind when I can buy the book

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 20 Aug 2008 :  17:31:14  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
It's in there; I've got more notes about it that (alas) fall under an NDA, but there's hope I'll be able to talk about things Rhymanthiian soon.



Maybe a mention of Laeral's fate ?



Not my place to say, honestly, despite all her ties to the Blackstaff. I've mentioned her (and quoted her) in Blackstaff Tower, but her final fate is unmentioned in my novel (unless it was slipped in by editing). Anything more on this falls under my NDAs, I'm afraid.

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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 20 Aug 2008 :  20:28:36  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This topic gave me a wonderful idea for an 'alternate FR' storyline, involving Ravenloft.

What if Khelben couldn't save Laeral from the Crown of Horns? What if, instead, she was 'taken' to another realm? Her 'lifeforce' being absent from the Material Plane then triggers a clone she had prepared some years earlier, and that is the one Khelben finds, and eventually falls in love with.

He just told everyone (including her) the story about him removing the crown, so she would never know she was only a clone.

Now we fast-forward to 4e, and we can bring in a 'Dark Laeral', recently escaped from her imprisonment in the Domains of Dread.

Watcha think, Steven?

Might be a good way to bring her back if a DM wants to. The two Crowns of Horns presents a bit of a problem, though...

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 :  02:15:58  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

This topic gave me a wonderful idea for an 'alternate FR' storyline, involving Ravenloft.

What if Khelben couldn't save Laeral from the Crown of Horns? What if, instead, she was 'taken' to another realm? Her 'lifeforce' being absent from the Material Plane then triggers a clone she had prepared some years earlier, and that is the one Khelben finds, and eventually falls in love with.

He just told everyone (including her) the story about him removing the crown, so she would never know she was only a clone.

Now we fast-forward to 4e, and we can bring in a 'Dark Laeral', recently escaped from her imprisonment in the Domains of Dread.

Watcha think, Steven?

Might be a good way to bring her back if a DM wants to. The two Crowns of Horns presents a bit of a problem, though...



Well that's just deliciously Evil (stress on the "VIL" there, of course ). A Wondrously Magical Evil Idea. (And now I have the cadence of The Grinch Who Stole Christmas in my head....sigh....)

Steven
who approves of alternate reality doppelgangers, evil twins, and especially the Khelben of an alternate universe who's a clean-shaven immortal paladin type.

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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 :  18:49:53  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just picturing Laeral wearing the Crown and being a 'Dark Lord' brings to mind that vision of Galadrial wearing the One Ring in the LotR movie.

It was delicious.

I'm thinking the CoH found later could just be Myrkul himself in a new form. With the first Crown in RL, he could have just manifested as the item (perhaps he created the first one when he was mortal?)

And now, a Question: WARNING!!! SPOILERS!!!

Khelben's death is often touted as one of those 'pivotal moments' in the settings history, and FR lovers consider it the very definition of "a good death" (usually when comparing the mass slaughter of other major NPCs during the Spellplague). The thing that makes his death so 'good' is that he finally got the 'acceptance' in death that he always craved in life - his Elven Half was fully accepted by the Seldarine and he got to enter Arvandor.

And along comes 4e...

4e tells us that almost all of the Elven pantheon was a farce - they were really just human deities in disguise! Don't YOU think this somehow cheapens Khelben's sacrifice?

I picture it going something like this...

Khelben: Where... where am I?

<A majestic Warrior clad all in black appears before him>

Kelemvor: Be at peace, Arun's son, you are in the Fugue Plane, and I am here to see to your final rest.

Khelben: Final rest? Then I did it? The ritual was a success?

Kelemvor: Inded it was...

Khelben: Oh merciful Mystra! Thank heavens... so... will Corellon be around to pick me up and bring me to see the rest of the Seldarine?

Kelemvor: Ummmm... not quite... errrrr... <puts arm around Khelben and starts to walk with him> ...funny thing, that....

End Transmission........


So you kinda see what I'm gettin' at, right?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 21 Aug 2008 20:51:05
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 :  19:40:56  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Just picturing Laeral wearing the Crown and being a 'Dark Lord' brings to mind that vision of Galadrial wearing he ring in the LotR movie.

It was delicious.



Funny--I thought she'd end up looking and acting a bit like Karnilla the Norn Queen as conceptualized by Jack Kirby in his THOR run. Silver hair all tarnished to black, but still looking good and not the least bit undead.

Steven
who often equates far too much Realmstuff with Kirby comics....because YOU demanded it!

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Edited by - Steven Schend on 21 Aug 2008 19:45:12
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Brimstone
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 :  19:50:20  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven SchendIt's a different creative team interpreting material and an intellectual property in a way that suits their needs. Should their needs change, so will the IP. Just like it did between 1st and 2nd edition, 2nd and 3rd, etc. (And for us readers of comic books, we are all well used to these reality-distortions. How many origins has Power Girl had now? )

Besides, who's to say that retcons and changes won't be on the wind in the future? I can remember when "the Nine Hells" was a concept and to be ignored, avoided, and never to be acknowledged in D&D rules (aka 2nd Edition), and yet they're in the new cosmology again. So who's to say they didn't exist in the interim?

-Thank you Steven. I came to this realization a couple of week ago. Thats why I am on board with the 4E FR. Yes I am changing some things around. Because the 4E FRCG gives me the FREEDOM to do that. Yes I understand that every edition gave me that FREEDOM, yet to me it's more pronounced. (That was directed to those that would nit-pick the last part, not to you Steven)


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will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 :  21:00:22  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Funny--I thought she'd end up looking and acting a bit like Karnilla the Norn Queen as conceptualized by Jack Kirby in his THOR run. Silver hair all tarnished to black, but still looking good and not the least bit undead.

Steven
who often equates far too much Realmstuff with Kirby comics....because YOU demanded it!

So do I...

But now you have me thinking more The Enchantress from the same Pantheon/comic (sans the Blonde hair). Did you see her in that run of New Mutants? It was borderline-porn... and probably one of my favorite story-arcs in Marvel history.

BTW - I noticed you 'dodged' my question there. Being 'politic', are we?

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 21 Aug 2008 21:01:51
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 :  01:11:50  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Funny--I thought she'd end up looking and acting a bit like Karnilla the Norn Queen as conceptualized by Jack Kirby in his THOR run. Silver hair all tarnished to black, but still looking good and not the least bit undead.

Steven
who often equates far too much Realmstuff with Kirby comics....because YOU demanded it!

So do I...

But now you have me thinking more The Enchantress from the same Pantheon/comic (sans the Blonde hair). Did you see her in that run of New Mutants? It was borderline-porn... and probably one of my favorite story-arcs in Marvel history.


Yeah, the two-annual NM/XMen crossover with Asgard was loads of fun, though I'm blanking on why you call it borderline porn.

quote:

BTW - I noticed you 'dodged' my question there. Being 'politic', are we?



Slightly....

Steven
who really just wants folks to enjoy the stories he's got to tell regardless of which edition/century they're set in....

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Markustay
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I call it that because of certain scene in which the Enchantress is crawling out of bed - NUDE - and is barely covered by the blanket...

and in the background you see the desicated corpse of a man laying in the rumpled sheets...

What a way to go.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  05:02:28  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And now in other news....

For anyone within a driveable distance of Grand Rapids, Michigan over the next three weeks, here's your chance to see some great D&D inspired art. Kendall College of Art & Design (for whom my lovely wife works as the gallery director) opens its first show of the season with Keith Parkinson's, Jeff Easley's, and Larry Elmore's art.

Check out http://www.kcad.edu/gallery/kendall-gallery/out-of-the-dungeons for more info.

If you've never had the chance to see what the actual paintings look like up close rather than just reprinted on your book covers, stop on by. It's worth the time, really. The show's up starting on Thursday of this week and runs through September 20.

Steven
who's sad that the closest to a Forgotten Realms connection any of the pieces has is the Al-Qadim core book cover by Easley...though the lovely piece by Larry of the cleric in the snow is an old favorite and fits my vision of the Realms...

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Wooly Rupert
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Oh, gods, I'd love to see that! Sadly, I won't be in driving distance of there any time in the next three weeks... In the next three weeks, there are two major cities I'll be in driving distance of: Orlando and Dublin. Neither of those is close to Michigan.

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Na-Gang
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

... the lovely piece by Larry of the cleric in the snow is an old favorite and fits my vision of the Realms...



If you mean "Avalyne the Lifegiver" (I think that's what it's called) that's one of my favourite pieces of fantasy art too. It was the cover of one of the very first Dragon magazines I ever bought and it still lingers in my consciousness now.
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sfdragon
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If Ed is Mirt and Elminster, are you Khelben??

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 :  14:09:52  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

If Ed is Mirt and Elminster, are you Khelben??



Only on days without coffee can I summon up the proper Khelben growl.

And I've never been able to focus my gray/white hair in my beard to limit itself only to my chin.

Thus, the image doesn't hold up all that well.

I'll confess that Khelben's voice comes very easily to me, due to long familiarity, though I still insist he (and most Realms characters) are all still Ed's creations far more than mine.

Steven
who'll happily write in Khelben-speak when it suits, but the potential markets for that are dry (as WotC doesn't want past novels)

PS: Blackstaff Tower has a few notes of Khelben-speak in it, but how and why, you'll have to pick up the book to see.

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But you do have a mock "Blackstaff," right?

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Icelander
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

But you do have a mock "Blackstaff," right?


Be that what he be calling it then, eh?


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