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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 13 Dec 2005 :  14:00:44  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Steven,

Question. When you detailed Calimshan, Amn, and Tethyr did you base your research and material on RL counterparts or, like Ed, did you base it on FR material and probably some of Ed's notes and those nations shouldn't reflect RL counterparts?



Little of both, actually.

On Tethyr, there was more than enough material already--I just had to weave the disparate and conflicting pieces together and add touches of Scotland and Spain to accomodate a bit more feel/mood/context. For Tethyr (and Amn equally) I kept Moorish Spain in the back of my head as per an older religion/culture leaving behind its architecture and stuff but being thrown over by new ideas and independence.

On Amn, believe it or not, it's an amalgamation of what was there already plus a lot of the Godfather (in terms of family, business, loyalties, and honor debts). I also made sure there were distinct differences between the money-grubbers of Amn and the same down in Calimshan.

On Calimshan, that had much more of a mark of pre-established culture and feel as pseudo-Arabian culture. However, as by the time I was writing LOI/EoSS we had Al-Qadim and the Bedine of Troy's Harper books, I decided to retain what I had to and spin the rest of Calishite culture into a mix of whatever my head provided and ancient Turkey (hence the Mamluks/Mameluks, pashas, the Qayadin, etc.). I didn't make it a direct or straight copy but kept it mixed enough to fit the Realms yet still have a familiar touch (and provide GMs with picture books of old Turkish towns to use as a visual touchstone).

Granted, I'd prefer to not use RL stuff to drop into the Realms, but given the time constraints and what had already been established in the Realms at that time, I did what I needed to make it distinct, feasible in Faerun, and yet sensible and familiar in feel for those who are more comfortable with RL touchstones.

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Arivia
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Alright, finally clear enough to get to this...

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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Can't say they mesh 100% with my vision/ideas for him/it/her, as he's surprisingly not arrogant. He's a chessplayer type like Khelben who plays things beneath the vest, not just close to it.

More likely, he'd do the gender change thing if/when his identity as Zallanora got compromised, if she became too noticeable, and/or if something slips and he has to change identities. Despite his longtime hatred of elves, he's very surprised to find out how useful it is to have an elf's body.

So, unless he has to blow up a large chunk of Esmeltaran to preserve his secrecy/identity (or simply kill more than 20 people to do the same), he'll probably hide out as Zallanora for a few more years yet.


I sort of disagree-I think it's probably what he's intending to do, but the distraction of it all might just be too much for him. Actually, I could see him going along with it but grabbing a belt of gender change to use every once in awhile(removing it by casting remove curse) so he can concentrate and act as Zallanora more adeptly. He might even be mentally/emotionally dependant/addicted to it, which would certainly be an interesting quality for him.

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All that said, he's been known to weave illusions of high level around him/herself to appear as any number of former Shoon court members--but NEVER as himself, even if the only person who'd recognize him immediately would be Iryklathagra--to manipulate and control information and magic beyond what would be normal for Zalla to know/be involved in.....


Oo, interesting-you've definitely piqued my interest, Steven. Do you have any idea who any of these members might be?

quote:
Making this clear as mud, aren't I?


But that's a good thing-it allows the DM more freedom...

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
To keep the ball in the air, here's my question to the assembled--What do you see when you think of Shoonach?

A massive ruined city, worn clean by the sands and time. Drifts of sand and debris fill the streets and plazas, while under the arch of what used to be an entrance to a noble's palace, an adventurer waits for their companion to return with waterskins filled from the clear yet shallow River Agis(which has changed it's course slightly over the years- a smooth city street being a better avenue than the riverbed itself in parts). Upon her companion's return, she lifts one of the waterskins to drink, takes a drink, and then puts it down quickly. Smiling, she reveals a shining gold coin in her teeth, having been picked up by the river...
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What do you expect, if a story were to be set there?

With all respects, I've never found the parts of Realms stories that have delved into ruins or other "dungeon" sites that interesting-a story is sort of bogged down in encounters in that point. I'd much rather see an supplement on it, offering an overview of the city, its inhabitants, and special sites, and a few adventures set within.

EDIT: Steven: *poke*

Edited by - Arivia on 19 Dec 2005 01:48:00
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quote:
I sort of disagree-I think it's probably what he's intending to do, but the distraction of it all might just be too much for him. Actually, I could see him going along with it but grabbing a belt of gender change to use every once in awhile(removing it by casting remove curse) so he can concentrate and act as Zallanora more adeptly. He might even be mentally/emotionally dependant/addicted to it, which would certainly be an interesting quality for him.


Not to break into the conversation or anything, but I think you're wither underestimating Shoon's ability to concentrate or overestimating the effects of female elven hormones on his ability to achieve his goals. It's not like he's going to freak out when he has his first period, as much as he knows about everything else I'm sure he knew about that well before lichdom and demilichdom. Besides, he's certainly not the kind of guy who would be all "Eek! my manhood is gone and now I'm a emotional girl who wants chocolates all the time!" Being a lich, and particularly being a demilich for very long pretty much precludes one having too much attachment to their phenotypical sex. Let's face it, when you're undead you haven't got any sex drive to begin with, and all sorts of bits and pieces (yes, even those bits and pieces) are going to decay and shrivel up. Since you've got no brains or vital organs producing what brains or vital organs produce, but instead are essentially an intellect housed in a crumbling shell powered by negative energy, even if all the fleshly equipment was in working order you wouldn't really care much anyone.

Going from no hormones to female hormones wouldn't throw him through a loop like it would going straight from male to female. He'll probably also be expecting changes in mood and such associated with the new mix of hormones he'd be experiencing (who knew I'd end my day talking about Shoon VII's hormones...) because even if he didn't have a modern scientific understanding of body chemisty and so on he'd probably have a reasonable grasp on the concept that more'n the plumbing is different.

Then there's the matter of preperation. The sort of planning that goes into becoming a lich, not to mention all the other things Shoon's done, is mind-boggling. If he could handle all of that I'd doubt that something as simple as estrogen or menstruation would get more than a raised eyebrow out of him. Emotion may be mostly chemical, but Shoon VII had a long time to learn how to manage his emotions while he was mortal and even if he was a little bit rusty he'd probably get things all under control before his first tenday in his new body was over.


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Jamallo Kreen
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In Empires of the Sands there is (very disappointing!) directive to consult Lands of Intrigue and Calimport for recent news of Shoon VII's doings. The only reference I could find in Calimport was a brief note that he was a Cowled Wizard and was searching for _____ . Are there other references to him in that book? Anyone?

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  20:26:53  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On Shoon going through the gender blender: Well, unless I'm suddenly contracted to write a Shoon novel, my thoughts on this are strictly academic and/or idea generators for y'all. You've got a highly different and distinct take on it that's fascinating and great for many, many campaign ideas. I just happen to disagree (for my own personal take on Shoon, which falls more toward the `he'll use any weapon in his arsenal, whether it's a spell or sexual allure, to get what he wants' school).

To really muddy the waters, who's to say he'd not done the gender-shift thing back in the days while alive both to try it out and as a disguise by which he could spy on his own courtiers? Come to think of it, that'd be a really cool fantasy trope to look at--a male ruler who changes into a female in order to guarantee/be 100% certain that his/her heir was his/hers. How's that for a disturbing take on that particular item in issue?

Re: illusionary courtiers.....`fraid I have no names or faces at present. Chime me on this in the new year and maybe we'll be able to generate a few building off of common names salted around Amn, Tethyr, and Calimshan. Think of this idea as a wide-open door for GMs to link their campaign NPCs to a greater plot, a wider history, and still not be stuck. In other words, torment PCs with one villain, have him killed numerous times (and Shoon keeps bringing him back or posing as him illusorally), and he's still going.....

LOVED that image you wove of the River Agis...and it's a good idea that the river itself might actually scour out smallish items from the catacombs beneath the Mount and wash them into the river. By the by, Shoon does have animated skelteons and sea zombies patrolling the river bed to prevent treasure seekers from stealing "his" stuff....and it seems they're frantically seeking out something between the size of a dagger and a bracelet (as they ignore rings and coins and things larger than short swords)....just FYI.


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Steven Schend
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  20:31:27  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

In Empires of the Sands there is (very disappointing!) directive to consult Lands of Intrigue and Calimport for recent news of Shoon VII's doings. The only reference I could find in Calimport was a brief note that he was a Cowled Wizard and was searching for _____ . Are there other references to him in that book? Anyone?



Can't recall off hand (as I wrote this too long ago) and the searching function on my copy of Calimport is bollixed.

That said, there's been more discussion here on this folder re: Shoon VII than I think we ever managed to get into print. Keep the questions coming or just tell us what you've done with him/her in your campaign.

Steven

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Arivia
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Posted - 22 Dec 2005 :  21:01:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

On Shoon going through the gender blender: Well, unless I'm suddenly contracted to write a Shoon novel, my thoughts on this are strictly academic and/or idea generators for y'all. You've got a highly different and distinct take on it that's fascinating and great for many, many campaign ideas. I just happen to disagree (for my own personal take on Shoon, which falls more toward the `he'll use any weapon in his arsenal, whether it's a spell or sexual allure, to get what he wants' school).


Fair.

quote:
To really muddy the waters, who's to say he'd not done the gender-shift thing back in the days while alive both to try it out and as a disguise by which he could spy on his own courtiers? Come to think of it, that'd be a really cool fantasy trope to look at--a male ruler who changes into a female in order to guarantee/be 100% certain that his/her heir was his/hers. How's that for a disturbing take on that particular item in issue?


Wow. I *really* like that idea. Can I steal it?

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Re: illusionary courtiers.....`fraid I have no names or faces at present. Chime me on this in the new year and maybe we'll be able to generate a few building off of common names salted around Amn, Tethyr, and Calimshan. Think of this idea as a wide-open door for GMs to link their campaign NPCs to a greater plot, a wider history, and still not be stuck. In other words, torment PCs with one villain, have him killed numerous times (and Shoon keeps bringing him back or posing as him illusorally), and he's still going.....


Will do. And now you're making me want to use Shoon in one of my own games...despite my vow not to do so earlier. And the fact that I have games in Baldur's Gate and Erlkazar, both of which could lead easily to Shoon. Damn you, Steven. *starts gathering more information on Shoon*

Speaking of Erlkazar, in the Erlkazar booklet in LoI, it looks like the entry on who the baron(ess) of Carrelath Barony in your game was was cut out-do you remember who that might be?

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LOVED that image you wove of the River Agis...and it's a good idea that the river itself might actually scour out smallish items from the catacombs beneath the Mount and wash them into the river. By the by, Shoon does have animated skelteons and sea zombies patrolling the river bed to prevent treasure seekers from stealing "his" stuff....and it seems they're frantically seeking out something between the size of a dagger and a bracelet (as they ignore rings and coins and things larger than short swords)....just FYI.


Thanks...and now I want to write up Shoonach myself...choices, choices, choices...
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Foxhelm
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Quick Question...

With the difficult travel from Faerun to Maztica, especially for those from Waterdeep, why hasn't anyone thought about building a portal from Faerun to Maztica and back? The Deeps and the Gates have wizards and clerics and even the Amns have clerics. The only thing I can think of is that Gates are harder to make in 2ed. But with 3ed rules they are more easy to make.

I can see the next big conflict in Maztica is the Portal conflicts. With Harpers that were back by Khelban (some of whom might be Moonstars by now), I can see the secret development of Portals for New Waterdeep. I can see Flaming Fist camp being brought into this.

Then I can see the poop hit the fan when the Amnites find out.

Any thoughts? I know this will not be cannon, but I just want to see someone with the hint of being offical weigh in on this.

Thanks.

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 :  22:38:06  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

Quick Question...

With the difficult travel from Faerun to Maztica, especially for those from Waterdeep, why hasn't anyone thought about building a portal from Faerun to Maztica and back? The Deeps and the Gates have wizards and clerics and even the Amns have clerics. The only thing I can think of is that Gates are harder to make in 2ed. But with 3ed rules they are more easy to make.

I can see the next big conflict in Maztica is the Portal conflicts. With Harpers that were back by Khelban (some of whom might be Moonstars by now), I can see the secret development of Portals for New Waterdeep. I can see Flaming Fist camp being brought into this.

Then I can see the poop hit the fan when the Amnites find out.

Any thoughts? I know this will not be cannon, but I just want to see someone with the hint of being offical weigh in on this.

Thanks.



Sorry, as I'm not anyone official. However, I suspect I'm more invested in Maztica and its colonies than most still remaining at WotC. Put that canon away before you shoot your eye out.

As for why there's no gates/portals to/from the mainland to Maztica, well a few reasons:
A) they're expensive to make on many levels, and they're rarely worth using strictly for trade;

B) those who spent fortunes building New Waterdeep and run the ships back and forth have a vested interest in keeping this sort of thing from happening, as it undercuts their business;

C) Who's to say Khelben doesn't already have a few ways to bounce back and forth WITHOUT using portals?

From where I'm sitting and thinking, I'd vote for no portal wars myself. Portals are hardly meant to be public travelpoints, and thus their existence would tend to be kept secret. Thus, it'd be a good adventure/campaign hook that the PCs learn of either a building or a built gate/portal and various and sundry are trying to find it to use for whatever reason.

On that trio of Harpers in Maztica, here's a thought: Other than Elminster, no other Master Harper knows they exist over there and thus they're defacto Tel'Teukiira long before the fact.

Oh, and one of their tasks set by Khelben is to keep anyone from building gates/portals between the two continents. They ask him why and he prevaricates and then stares at them until they stop asking. I've asked him and gotten the stare myself, so I'd guess it's either someone Mystra wants or it's part of one of Khelben's long-game plans....

That help or hinder? When in doubt, do what works and is the most fun for you and your players. Ignore this man behind the curtain.


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Steven Schend
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Posted - 23 Dec 2005 :  22:42:23  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And Arivia, drawing a blank on the Carrelath baroness right now. I'll try and track it down ASAP (and remind me when I forget, as is my unfortunate habit of late). As for the male-pregnancy thing, go ahead; feel free to use any ideas bounced around here. No copyrights of my own to protect.

Hope all of you have a happy and safe holiday filled with luck, laughter, and love. Take care and have a joyous Yule (my holiday), a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Carefree Kwanzaa, or perhaps the newest Great Quanuhanumas! Take care, and we'll see y'all next year (unless I unexpectedly get back online next week after the holiday).

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Arivia
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

And Arivia, drawing a blank on the Carrelath baroness right now. I'll try and track it down ASAP (and remind me when I forget, as is my unfortunate habit of late). As for the male-pregnancy thing, go ahead; feel free to use any ideas bounced around here. No copyrights of my own to protect.

Hope all of you have a happy and safe holiday filled with luck, laughter, and love. Take care and have a joyous Yule (my holiday), a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Carefree Kwanzaa, or perhaps the newest Great Quanuhanumas! Take care, and we'll see y'all next year (unless I unexpectedly get back online next week after the holiday).



Okay, thanks. *will make sure to note you about that and the Shoonite nobles in the new year*

Enjoy your holidays.
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And a joyous Yule to you, too, friend Steven!

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Ah, Sage Schend... Enjoy Yule .

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Yup, yup, A god jul to you Steven.

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Arivia
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Okay, Steven, you asked me to remind you about these outstanding questions in 2006:

1) Do you have any idea *which* Shoonite nobles Shoon might impersonate to fulfill his aims? (Must get the wonderful Shoon thinking rounds going again)

2) Do you recall who the baron(ess) of Carrelath Barony in Erlkazar was in your game? It isn't in your notes in LoI.

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Foxhelm
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Here's a quick question that has peeked my curiousity...

What would Khelban do if he discovered tomorrow that Laeral was pregnant with his child?

I can see that with his love affair with Laeral that the first reaction would be joy. However with all of his enemies and plots in the fire, he might be worried that the child would be in danger. So would he be looking for a place the child could be raised in safety?

Could it also give him the temptation to step up his plans for a better Faerun, to create a better world for the child? Or would it just give birth to a hundred more plots that he has to juggle?

There is also the question about what would happen if two choosen of Mystra were to have kids? Would the child hold a fragment of that power? Especially since the Seven Sisters could be said to have Mystra as a mother?

Would they come out more likely as planetouched (Perhaps the Lawful version from MM2 who's names escapes me, as Mystra 2.0 had a LN alignment)? Would they be born with the power of Spellfire? Have a nature gift with spells?

(Maybe I should Ask Ed this question as well. Perhaps using Elminster and the Simbul. Of course with the Simbul pregnant that might cause the Red Wizards to go on Vacation. ^_^ ).

Thanks, just curious.

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Hmmm, the first offspring of two Chosen of Mystra. I'm guessing that the first thing Khelben would have to do is find a safe place to raise the child. But of course, Khelben knows this too ...

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There's not been much to indicate that the children of Mystra's Chosen have any special abilities.

And one bit of oddness with the Chosen of Mystra: none of them can have a child unless Mystra okays it.

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Actually, from what Ed has said, Aglarond might be in for a tough time if the Simbul got pregnant, as female spellcasters generally forgo magical practice until after the child is brought to term, for fear of magically altering/warping the child.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

There's not been much to indicate that the children of Mystra's Chosen have any special abilities.


Just to expand a little on what the Furry Hamster just said...

The select children of each of Mystra's Chosen haven't particularly displayed any real abilities with regard to either silverfire or the Mystra's Chosen powers of their parents. There have, of course, been many examples of offspring from Chosen of Mystra parents, but there has been no specific details or lore about whether these particular offspring have any of the powers of their parents.

None of the children from any of the Seven Sisters have ever displayed any significant abilities because of the blood in their veins. Maura certainly hasn't and neither has Qilue's daughter. There isn't much canon material to support, with complete certainty, whether Alustriel's daughters have any abilities, but given the examples of other offspring from some of the Seven Sisters, it also seems unlikely. In addition, the male offspring of Dove has also shown no proficiency. And even considering the case of Narna, neither does Elminster's offspring. Alustriel's sons haven't demonstrated any Chosen abilities either.

Oh, and we have little information about Khelben's offspring, so we can't make any completely accurate assumptions there either.

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Oh, and a little factoid from Steven that some may have forgotten -

"Funny you should mention that Sage.....

You will meet no less than three descendants and a half-sister of Khelben in the novel (two of whom have been mentioned in Realmslore before, though not revealed as relatives before). I've done a full workup on his family trees, but it remains to be seen if I'll ever be able to publish it.

That said, yes, you'll learn a few dribs and drabs more about the Chosen and their children in BLACKSTAFF, but no, you won't meet Khelben's and Laeral's child(ren) therein. If they were around, we'd have to name the book BLACKCLOUT.

Steven"


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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 :  01:28:23  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have finally started reading Sea of Fallen Stars (totally boss, dude!), and I have a question about the Dukar path which enables one to take on the forms of other creatures: could someone assume the guise of an aboleth and, by consuming a real aboleth, obtain the collective memory which they can share, or is that considered a "special ability" which the path, per definitio does not confer?

(Please to forgive any spelling errors above, I don't have the book with me at the moment.)

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George Krashos
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Steven has indeed created the Blackstaff family tree - and it's a monster. The man has an eye for the details, that's for sure.

Re children of the Chosen, note that a child from Khelben and Laeral is a child of TWO Chosen, not one and another human/oid. That's pretty unique and kind of special in my book - interesting times if that ever happened.

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The Sage
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 :  03:10:42  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Re children of the Chosen, note that a child from Khelben and Laeral is a child of TWO Chosen, not one and another human/oid. That's pretty unique and kind of special in my book - interesting times if that ever happened.
Good point Krash... I wonder whether that in itself would warrant the development of anything in particular regarding Chosen abilities in the offspring due to their being the product of two Chosen.

Hmmm... Steven's a Marvel Universe fan . I'm thinking maybe this would be similar to what occurs when two superheroes with strange abilities or mutants perhaps, in the Marvel Universe mate and produce a significantly more powerful child with greater abilities... Franklin Richards anyone?

Any comments Sage Schend?

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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 :  03:12:53  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd be really scared if Khelbun and Laeral produced a "Franklin" with their union. Maybe that's why Mystra is careful about letting them have children!

(Yes, I know, technically Reed and Sue aren't mutants, but c'mon . . . its Franklin!)

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