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Kajehase
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Posted - 22 Nov 2005 :  15:58:57  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Scottish and red-headed... Oh dear, you did manage to keep from stumbling on your way out, at least, I hope?

To the moderators: See, I even managed to make it a question

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AJA
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USA
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

And William Hurt is Piergeiron, for those wondering.



Wow....I may never look at Piergeiron the same way....

Of course, now I'm envisioning Tom Berenger as Durnan (and/or Texter), Meg Tilly as Larissa, Kevin Kline as Caladorn, Glenn Close as Nymara, JoBeth Williams as Brianne, and Jeff Goldblum as Sammereza....




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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 23 Nov 2005 :  13:47:52  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJA

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

And William Hurt is Piergeiron, for those wondering.



Wow....I may never look at Piergeiron the same way....

Of course, now I'm envisioning Tom Berenger as Durnan (and/or Texter), Meg Tilly as Larissa, Kevin Kline as Caladorn, Glenn Close as Nymara, JoBeth Williams as Brianne, and Jeff Goldblum as Sammereza....





Waterdeep does the Big Chill, huh? Loved that movie....

And if Glenn Close is anyone in the City of Splendors, I'd say she's probably best cast as Cassandra Thann, IMO. We'll see if Elaine agrees...

Brian Blessed is the only person who could properly play Mirt, as espoused by Ed himself.

And if we need to make these into questions, what the heck was I thinking when I started blithering about this?

SES

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
1631 Posts

Posted - 23 Nov 2005 :  13:50:41  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Quick ping/question to George Krashos:

What's going on down-under, George? I sent you some email a few days back but my mail server's been saying your email server is unreachable or somesuch technoblither.

Drop me a line or clear your email box, eh?

And whether or not anyone's American, I hope all y'all have a safe, happy, and hearty Thanksgiving tomorrow. I'm thankful for each and every one of you Realms fans out there, as both fellow fans and kindred souls who appreciate what Ed and others have created here.


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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Moderator

Australia
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Posted - 23 Nov 2005 :  14:38:27  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Quick ping/question to George Krashos:

What's going on down-under, George? I sent you some email a few days back but my mail server's been saying your email server is unreachable or somesuch technoblither.
I don't know what's happening in the City of Churches, but I've also been experiencing problems with receiving email from certain sites in the US.

Whatever it is, it seems to be affecting different parts of the country here.

Dargoth, have you had any problems receiving email from anywhere in the US?

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Kuje
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USA
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Posted - 23 Nov 2005 :  15:39:55  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Quick ping/question to George Krashos:

What's going on down-under, George? I sent you some email a few days back but my mail server's been saying your email server is unreachable or somesuch technoblither.
I don't know what's happening in the City of Churches, but I've also been experiencing problems with receiving email from certain sites in the US.

Whatever it is, it seems to be affecting different parts of the country here.

Dargoth, have you had any problems receiving email from anywhere in the US?



Yeah the email that Gray wrote to us bounced back to me when I replied all to the two of you and it said that one of your addys had gone mental. :)

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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
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Posted - 23 Nov 2005 :  15:53:18  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Steven,

George changed his email address. Drop me a line if you don't have the new one and he doesn't get to you first. <Insert scary music here.>

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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Australia
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Quick ping/question to George Krashos:

What's going on down-under, George? I sent you some email a few days back but my mail server's been saying your email server is unreachable or somesuch technoblither.
I don't know what's happening in the City of Churches, but I've also been experiencing problems with receiving email from certain sites in the US.

Whatever it is, it seems to be affecting different parts of the country here.

Dargoth, have you had any problems receiving email from anywhere in the US?



Yeah the email that Gray wrote to us bounced back to me when I replied all to the two of you and it said that one of your addys had gone mental. :)

Yes, the problem is definitely here in AUS. I've just received too emails from friends here and they're severely garbbled.

So the mental addy was most likely mine.

Hmmm...

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Dargoth
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Australia
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Quick ping/question to George Krashos:

What's going on down-under, George? I sent you some email a few days back but my mail server's been saying your email server is unreachable or somesuch technoblither.
I don't know what's happening in the City of Churches, but I've also been experiencing problems with receiving email from certain sites in the US.

Whatever it is, it seems to be affecting different parts of the country here.

Dargoth, have you had any problems receiving email from anywhere in the US?




hmmm

Not that Ive noticed, Pazios newsletter got through today and I got a confirmation Email from Amazon.

Maybe its the service provider, Im with Australias answer to the Zhentarim (or Telstra if you prefer the less Melodramatic name)

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 24 Nov 2005 :  02:01:05  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Quick ping/question to George Krashos:

What's going on down-under, George? I sent you some email a few days back but my mail server's been saying your email server is unreachable or somesuch technoblither.

Drop me a line or clear your email box, eh?

And whether or not anyone's American, I hope all y'all have a safe, happy, and hearty Thanksgiving tomorrow. I'm thankful for each and every one of you Realms fans out there, as both fellow fans and kindred souls who appreciate what Ed and others have created here.





Hey Steven

Don't blame me, blame the biggest telco in Australia that owns all the infrastructure and should have everything working perfectly ...

I had the same problem with Ed a while ago but it seems to be fixed now. Try again: address is akrashos@bigpond.net.au

-- George Krashos

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Octa
Learned Scribe

USA
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Posted - 07 Dec 2005 :  21:57:18  Show Profile  Visit Octa's Homepage Send Octa a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Steven- I just had to drop in and say that you got one of the best covers out there on 'Blackstaff', it really cuts into his primal spell casting fury, next to the Simbul he is probably the best mage dueler out of the chosen, and it really comes across.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 :  13:13:04  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Octa

Steven- I just had to drop in and say that you got one of the best covers out there on 'Blackstaff', it really cuts into his primal spell casting fury, next to the Simbul he is probably the best mage dueler out of the chosen, and it really comes across.



Thanks. I'm pretty excited about it too, even though I had little to do with the cover. Just the words inside.

Yeah, I agree that Khelben as a spell-dueler would be akin to playing a quick game of chess with Bobby Fisher; he's a thinker and he's got the duel all laid out before it even begins. As for seeing this in the novel...

[doors slam open and black-garbed men drag Steven bodily away from his computer, leaving behind only a card marked NDA]

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  16:38:38  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For those on the WotC boards, I was scanning the discussion of Shoon VII and had only this to add, if someone (George? Kuje? Bueller? )could drop in this note....

As of the Time of Troubles, Shoon VII no longer qualifies as a demilich. He's fully alive in an elf-woman's body (so he's technically only male in his self-concept) and he's got all his intellectual and magical skills at whatever level I set him at.

I suppose if GMs wanted his aura/energy to come across as "male" as a tip-off / clue that something's up with Zallanora Argentresses, they could do interesting things with a True Seeing spell, especially as Shoon's focus and power is so overwhelming.

Poor Zallanora is indeed the first 3rd level demilich to exist. She's still got all the physical powers of a demilich, but only her 3 levels of experience with which to handle this. And that, ladies and germs, is why she almost instantly went insane upon the transfer.

Now, if ever there was a way (perhaps divine quest sent by the gods, like Azuth, who doesn't want his faithful to suffer) to discover exactly what went on, an interesting story/campaign might be to recover the Tome of the Unicorn, restore Zallanora's sanity, and perhaps find ways to manipulate that link between the book and Shoon in Z's body. I don't know if there's a way to restore their souls to their rightful places, but isn't that what epic spells are for? Heck, just by restoring her sanity and finding out what happened, she might suggest taking the book and her skull to any High Mages (and she's probably heard rumors there might be some in Shilmista or the High Forest, but like most, she assumes they're gone from Cormanthor) and have them perform some High Magic to restore her to her body and banish Shoon again.....which should be a quest not unlike trying to get a ring to a certain volcano, given that it's quite likely that Shoon has set up many defenses around the book, doesn't want anyone messing with it (let alone destroying it or him), and he's got a LOT of resources to throw at the heroes, even without ever revealing his hand directly....

Realize, however, there's a whole passel of "if's" in that suggestion above (on both sides of the coin). If you were to ask me, I'd tell you Shoon VII is going to be a major player/villain/sore under the saddle for many many decades to come, given that his body is barely out of elven adolesence. One thing he might possibly do (just for his own comfort level) is to scare up a girdle of gender-changing and become a male again (but couch it so it's taken as an accident that's accepted by the soon-to-be Zallan of Shoonach....but this is all unofficial meandering on my part.

Again, just a stray thought on a Saturday morning....

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  16:55:29  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I swung by there and dropped off your note Steven.

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  17:28:02  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

I swung by there and dropped off your note Steven.



Thanks much, ye gentleman and scholar true.

SES

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KnightErrantJR
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We live to serve . . . and diseminate as much information as possible. Plus it gave me a chance to plug Blackstaff couched in the reply, so as not to be "discussing" novels . . .

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Arivia
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  18:35:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
As of the Time of Troubles, Shoon VII no longer qualifies as a demilich. He's fully alive in an elf-woman's body (so he's technically only male in his self-concept) and he's got all his intellectual and magical skills at whatever level I set him at.


I'm going to get a bit technical here in hopes of offering some tips on how to deal with Shoon's gender identity problems. Yes, Shoon would have a male gender identity. He's suffering from something called gender dysphoria most of the time, which is essentially the rather depressing feeling that his body and mind don't match up sex/gender-wise.

quote:
I suppose if GMs wanted his aura/energy to come across as "male" as a tip-off / clue that something's up with Zallanora Argentresses, they could do interesting things with a True Seeing spell, especially as Shoon's focus and power is so overwhelming.


Actually, Shoon himself just might tell you-or a Sense Motive check might be appropriate. Let me explain.

Shoon's some millenia old, and he's the extremely powerful former wizard-king of an empire. He's probably rather arrogant, and he's just come back into possession of a mortal form. If you play Shoon as arrogant, then he's very likely to regard himself as the center of attention in any situation, and he's going to think of himself as having been burdened by his female body, and he'll try to be as overtly masculine as he can. He'll proclaim loud and clear that he's male, and probably respond to anyone who tries to say otherwise with physical or magical force-he takes those sort of comments right to the heart, so to speak. Even if for some reason, he's trying to hide his gender identity, I'd actually make him make Disguise checks to do it-he's picked up a lot of habits over his years that don't fit his new form, and those could tip careful observers off.

quote:
One thing he might possibly do (just for his own comfort level) is to scare up a girdle of gender-changing and become a male again (but couch it so it's taken as an accident that's accepted by the soon-to-be Zallan of Shoonach....but this is all unofficial meandering on my part.


He'll definitely be doing this-and Steven nailed the reason perfectly. Actually, until he's found one, it'll likely be his first priority/Holy Grail, so to speak-he'll drop most everything else for it.

There's my 2 cents of first-hand commentary on the situation. I think it's an interesting concept, and I'd love to see a campaign/adventure done around it, but I don't want to either play in or run it. Oh, and I forgot one thing-ruleswise, Shoon is male, I think-it's buried in Races of Eberron and I don't have that at hand to check right now.
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

USA
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Posted - 11 Dec 2005 :  21:54:06  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Interesting thoughts on Shoon, Arivia.

Can't say they mesh 100% with my vision/ideas for him/it/her, as he's surprisingly not arrogant. He's a chessplayer type like Khelben who plays things beneath the vest, not just close to it.

More likely, he'd do the gender change thing if/when his identity as Zallanora got compromised, if she became too noticeable, and/or if something slips and he has to change identities. Despite his longtime hatred of elves, he's very surprised to find out how useful it is to have an elf's body.

So, unless he has to blow up a large chunk of Esmeltaran to preserve his secrecy/identity (or simply kill more than 20 people to do the same), he'll probably hide out as Zallanora for a few more years yet.

All that said, he's been known to weave illusions of high level around him/herself to appear as any number of former Shoon court members--but NEVER as himself, even if the only person who'd recognize him immediately would be Iryklathagra--to manipulate and control information and magic beyond what would be normal for Zalla to know/be involved in.....

Making this clear as mud, aren't I?

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Arivia
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Interesting thoughts on Shoon, Arivia.

Can't say they mesh 100% with my vision/ideas for him/it/her, as he's surprisingly not arrogant. He's a chessplayer type like Khelben who plays things beneath the vest, not just close to it.

More likely, he'd do the gender change thing if/when his identity as Zallanora got compromised, if she became too noticeable, and/or if something slips and he has to change identities. Despite his longtime hatred of elves, he's very surprised to find out how useful it is to have an elf's body.

So, unless he has to blow up a large chunk of Esmeltaran to preserve his secrecy/identity (or simply kill more than 20 people to do the same), he'll probably hide out as Zallanora for a few more years yet.

All that said, he's been known to weave illusions of high level around him/herself to appear as any number of former Shoon court members--but NEVER as himself, even if the only person who'd recognize him immediately would be Iryklathagra--to manipulate and control information and magic beyond what would be normal for Zalla to know/be involved in.....

Making this clear as mud, aren't I?



Ah well, in that case, I completely misread Shoon and ignore the majority of my above post. I'll do some more thinking on the subject when I'm not completely asleep, and post the results.
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Foxhelm
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I have a question that goes back to the "Cormanthyr:Empires of Elves" that you helped to write.

You talk about the Tsornyl clan of moon elves and how they were attacked by Moander. It was hinted that they either died or were turned into rotting creatures. My questions are:

1)Did any of that clan get rescued?
2)Were there any relatives that did not live in the small village? It said that in -85 most of the 70 member clan moved there. But it is possible members married into other clans and pregnant woman could have headed to Semberholme.

I just want to see if any member of the clan still exist in some form. I want to know for possible back ground for elven/half-elven characters who might be interested in Finder Wyvernspur (An obession of mine). As this clan was art inclined (Poets, Singers and Musicians), plus they would likely hold a grudge against Moander.

I could see them being favourly inclinded to Moander's slay and/or a nature linked bard. Or using him as a stalking horse to make sure the Darkbringer is dead and remains that way. Either way they would have an interest in this godling, if only for their own purposes.

Just curious. Thanks.

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 12 Dec 2005 :  13:45:33  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Foxhelm

I have a question that goes back to the "Cormanthyr:Empires of Elves" that you helped to write.

You talk about the Tsornyl clan of moon elves and how they were attacked by Moander. It was hinted that they either died or were turned into rotting creatures. My questions are:

1)Did any of that clan get rescued?
2)Were there any relatives that did not live in the small village? It said that in -85 most of the 70 member clan moved there. But it is possible members married into other clans and pregnant woman could have headed to Semberholme.

I just want to see if any member of the clan still exist in some form. I want to know for possible back ground for elven/half-elven characters who might be interested in Finder Wyvernspur (An obession of mine). As this clan was art inclined (Poets, Singers and Musicians), plus they would likely hold a grudge against Moander.

I could see them being favourly inclinded to Moander's slay and/or a nature linked bard. Or using him as a stalking horse to make sure the Darkbringer is dead and remains that way. Either way they would have an interest in this godling, if only for their own purposes.

Just curious. Thanks.



Bear in mind you're asking me questions on things I wrote nearly 10 years ago, so the memory's fuzzy....

1) Sure--as many survived as your campaign needs/wants. This is the answer I always try and give, unless I've a really good reason to shut the door on future developments (a trick I learned from Ed).

Remember that my answers here are not to be considered official canon--just my opinions and natter.

2) Absolutely. The "Most of..." gives you as the GM the wiggle-room to justify whatever plot twists you wish into your game.

I love the idea of their being linked to Moander and Finder (and perhaps even Oghma, the traditional god of bards).

Then again, why not create something new--a cult/religion of a new goddess who is allegedly the daughter of Lurue and Silvanus (or Fenmaril Mestarine) who is worshiped by bards and rangers and half-elves as a protector against the corruption of woodlands specifically? She's a protector of both health and beauty, two things that make woodlands special in her eyes.

Steven
Just stirrin' the pot a little....

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 12 Dec 2005 :  13:54:35  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Interesting thoughts on Shoon, Arivia.

Can't say they mesh 100% with my vision/ideas for him/it/her, as he's surprisingly not arrogant. He's a chessplayer type like Khelben who plays things beneath the vest, not just close to it.



Ah well, in that case, I completely misread Shoon and ignore the majority of my above post. I'll do some more thinking on the subject when I'm not completely asleep, and post the results.



Hey--I'm just stating my opinions here, Arivia. Don't let me shut down your thoughts on Shoon, as I found them fascinating.

I've pondered a bit on Shoon and what to do with him/her/it, but my view of him and how best to use him isn't the only way. It's just what I'd like to do if ever given a chance to work him up in a novel. Granted, with the level of thought I've put to him, Zallanora would come off a bit too much like Joan Collins.....

Seriously, I just want to toss the brainstorm ball around and see what rattles loose that'll work for all of us. Just because I state an opinion doesn't mean it takes precedence over any one else's opinions here.

To keep the ball in the air, here's my question to the assembled--What do you see when you think of Shoonach? What do you expect, if a story were to be set there?

Me, I see something the size of Imperial Rome with more of a Cairo/Athens feel to it--a huge expanse of miles far more silent than it should be, yet still more active than you'd expect. I see roaming bands of gnolls fighting to control the grasslands around the edges, the curst legions of Tethyrians trying to keep the military / forge city out of the hands of other intelligent undead, and a growing number of undead starting to more openly (or at least aggressively) keep the Imperial Mount off limits to anyone save their master/mistress, whether (s)he is there or not.

Imagine, if you will, the medieval equivalent of Cheyenne Mountain with magical weapons storehouses buried away where only one living (and maybe 4 nonliving) sentient beings know what may lie there....

Getting a girdle of gender-changing is no big deal for Shoon--nearly any nonartifact (and more than a few that are that level) magical item is stored away and at his disposal under Shoonach. He's the only nondraconic being to have amassed more magical items than Khelben or Manshoon....and he's not sharing them, unllike the other two.....

Well, I hope that keeps the floodgates of discussion open (and help me conjure up some new ideas in hopes of getting another novel to write in the Realms....).

Steven

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Arivia
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Canada
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Interesting thoughts on Shoon, Arivia.

Can't say they mesh 100% with my vision/ideas for him/it/her, as he's surprisingly not arrogant. He's a chessplayer type like Khelben who plays things beneath the vest, not just close to it.



Ah well, in that case, I completely misread Shoon and ignore the majority of my above post. I'll do some more thinking on the subject when I'm not completely asleep, and post the results.



Hey--I'm just stating my opinions here, Arivia. Don't let me shut down your thoughts on Shoon, as I found them fascinating.


Oh, no, I'm not going to-it's just that I did make a major error in reading him, and I want to think and adjust for that, then I'll post more.

I should have something tonight.
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Question. When you detailed Calimshan, Amn, and Tethyr did you base your research and material on RL counterparts or, like Ed, did you base it on FR material and probably some of Ed's notes and those nations shouldn't reflect RL counterparts?

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Originally posted by Steven Schend

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Originally posted by Arivia

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Originally posted by Steven Schend

Interesting thoughts on Shoon, Arivia.

Can't say they mesh 100% with my vision/ideas for him/it/her, as he's surprisingly not arrogant. He's a chessplayer type like Khelben who plays things beneath the vest, not just close to it.



Ah well, in that case, I completely misread Shoon and ignore the majority of my above post. I'll do some more thinking on the subject when I'm not completely asleep, and post the results.



Hey--I'm just stating my opinions here, Arivia. Don't let me shut down your thoughts on Shoon, as I found them fascinating.

I've pondered a bit on Shoon and what to do with him/her/it, but my view of him and how best to use him isn't the only way. It's just what I'd like to do if ever given a chance to work him up in a novel. Granted, with the level of thought I've put to him, Zallanora would come off a bit too much like Joan Collins.....

(snip)

Me, I see something the size of Imperial Rome with more of a Cairo/Athens feel to it--a huge expanse of miles far more silent than it should be, yet still more active than you'd expect. I see roaming bands of gnolls fighting to control the grasslands around the edges, the curst legions of Tethyrians trying to keep the military / forge city out of the hands of other intelligent undead, and a growing number of undead starting to more openly (or at least aggressively) keep the Imperial Mount off limits to anyone save their master/mistress, whether (s)he is there or not.

Imagine, if you will, the medieval equivalent of Cheyenne Mountain with magical weapons storehouses buried away where only one living (and maybe 4 nonliving) sentient beings know what may lie there....

Getting a girdle of gender-changing is no big deal for Shoon--nearly any nonartifact (and more than a few that are that level) magical item is stored away and at his disposal under Shoonach. He's the only nondraconic being to have amassed more magical items than Khelben or Manshoon....and he's not sharing them, unllike the other two.....

Well, I hope that keeps the floodgates of discussion open (and help me conjure up some new ideas in hopes of getting another novel to write in the Realms....).

Steven



Some lovely writing there, Steven!

If Roy Greenhilt (http://www.giantitp.com/ootsChars.html) can get a girdle of gender-change, why shouldn't Shoon?

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