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Lord Rad
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  16:34:09  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message
Greetings, Ed and the Hooded One.

Someone (Tremaine) asked on another thread here at Candlekeep about a card game being played by Giogi Wyvernspur in The Wyvern's Spur novel, entitled Elemental Empire. I was wondering if Ed could shed some more light on what is involved in this game, and more importantly, what other Realms-specific board games, dice games and card games are played throughout the Realms. This is a particular area of interest to me as I often like to use such activities within my campaign (not only for the players, but also for those poor lonely guards and soldiers who have to while away the hours )

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Rad

Greetings, Ed and the Hooded One.

Someone (Tremaine) asked on another thread here at Candlekeep about a card game being played by Giogi Wyvernspur in The Wyvern's Spur novel, entitled Elemental Empire. I was wondering if Ed could shed some more light on what is involved in this game, and more importantly, what other Realms-specific board games, dice games and card games are played throughout the Realms. This is a particular area of interest to me as I often like to use such activities within my campaign (not only for the players, but also for those poor lonely guards and soldiers who have to while away the hours )



Aurora's catalog has some. Ed has also given us some in last years replies, which can be found in my sig. Ya'll have to do a find/search for them. :)

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As I recall, the second edition boxed set Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting had some info on games. I can't recall if Elemental Empires was in there or not, though.

Aurora's Whole Realms Catalog also has some Realms games, though there's no real details on them.

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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  20:25:30  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

None of the Seven Sisters or Elminster or Khelben or anyone other than members of the Knights of Myth Drannor or the Company of Crazed Venturers (and not even some of them - Dove and Islif to name but two), were ever PCs. Ever.

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Thank you. A decades-old query has been answered!


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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  20:48:55  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello all. I bring Ed’s last reply for a couple of days (probably until Saturday night), this one only the beginnings of a reply to Jamallo Kreen about “the classics” of Torilian literature:

(snip)

There are “popular” books of lasting appeal, popular books that are fads that fade, and books and writers esteemed on the Sword Coast north of the Calimshan - Tethyr border that are unknown around the Shining Sea, and vice versa.
With that said, it’s important to remember that sages’ histories are revered as journals of record, and witty or poetic prose is highly valued in fiction books, because “the power of the plain tale” (the good snappy story told in a real-world bar or at a party or around a campfire) is practised and polished daily (or rather nightly) by minstrels and bards in taverns and clubs and inns across Faerûn.
Yes, yes, Ed, get on with it (I hear you snarl :}).
Right. So bearing in mind that what I say here is dated the moment I say it, and that this is an incomplete answer largely valid only for the Heartlands, among “the wide weal” (i.e. I’m not restricting myself to readers of a particular faith, or class such as the nobility), I’ll begin by listing just a few of the most highly-regarded tomes:

(snip)

THE TARGE by Lady Sarandra Shaelewinter (several editions; the author’s name is a pseudonym for a now-dead noblewoman of Waterdeep...).

TAL TESSORAN, Or: A LIFE WELL LIVED by Roadrante Haltivur

(snip)


So saith Ed. Who will return when he can; he’s one exhausted puppy right now, believe me.
love to all,
THO



Oh, thank you both! I think I could have a lot of fun running a couple of side adventures with a bard or two trying to track down the identities of those two authors!

Are there any works of "natural philosophy" or of "geography" (Torilography?) of the Aristotelian, Ptolemic, or Mandevillian variety which are consdidered essential reading for educated persons?

Please reveal more of Toril's literature, Ed. Come on you know you want to give bookmen (bookfolk?) something to explore. The realm of the mind is far more vast than the Realms themselves.

(Personally, I am having a great time watching Faerun's knowledge of the world grow. This is the time which corresponds to the writings of Marco Polo and of the Conquistadors, and the opportunities for exploration on land, sea, sky and in the mind are very exciting. I'm loving it. And to pun off of your post, I'm certain that planes tales which will be regarded as classics in the future are being written in Faerun now, too.)


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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  22:09:02  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
Ed Greenwood:

I obtained a copy of The City of Splendors earlier today. Although I had read the WOTC interview where it was mentioned that the novel ran close to 500 pages, actually holding it in my hands and seeing that it's 476 pages of story is wonderful. I know you had to cut 14,000 words. However, did you have to work any additional magic on Peter Archer to keep further cuts being made? I'm so used to the standard Realms book being just a bit over 300 pages, I figure some spell had to be employed. Regardless, thanks to you and Elaine for what I'm sure is about to be a wonderful read.

SiriusBlack

Oh and P.S. ...that was a very kind dedication for you and Elaine to make.

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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  23:25:49  Show Profile  Visit Erik Scott de Bie's Homepage  Send Erik Scott de Bie an AOL message Send Erik Scott de Bie a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

THE TARGE by Lady Sarandra Shaelewinter (several editions; the author’s name is a pseudonym for a now-dead noblewoman of Waterdeep; romantic, uplifting tales - - mainly intended for a female audience, but beloved by those who love romance and lovingly-described dalliance - - that all drive home moral points: good always gets its just reward, wickedness and folly are aptly “rewarded,” and so on; “improving” literature for young ladies, but rescued from being pedantic and dull by the romantic writing).


Sarandra Shaelewinter: the Jane Austen of the Realms(?). Or maybe one of the Brontes.

Couldn't resist.

And have you ever written snippets of these, Ed? Do you think Wizards would be interested? Otherwise, this looks like a job for some of the more creative scholars here at the Keep. . . . . .

Seriously though -- this is an awesome list, one which I look forward to the possibility of expansion when Ed gets the free time (bwahahahahaha!).

Also: quite interested to hear the card game answer! It may be quite relevant to something in my RoE story (assuming it doesn't get edited out! )

Cheers

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Kuje
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Posted - 14 Aug 2005 :  00:47:26  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Oh and P.S. ...that was a very kind dedication for you and Elaine to make.



Elaine hinted about this last week.... I wanna know what it says! :( I probably won't be able to find my copy till a week or two from now. :(

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 14 Aug 2005 :  01:32:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, fellow scribes. Ed returns (briefly, before trundling off to GenCon and so falling temporarily e-silent again) with a reply to Lord Rad:



Sorry, but I’m afraid Elemental Empires is Jeff Grubb’s creation, and only he and his bride and co-writer Kate Novak know its details. I can say more about other games of the Realms, and indeed have, both in Volo’s Guides (for example, pages 161 and 162 of the Cormyr guide outline detail Toss The Dagger, Traitors’ Heads, and Swords and Shields), divers works of fiction, and here at Candlekeep (Old Wizard is described on page 37 of the 04 Questions for Eddie thread, and Strikedragon, aka Battles, on page 38).
Other writers have also detailed games in the Realms (Talis, also found in DRAGONLANCE, is discussed on page 25 of the 04 Questions for Eddie thread, and the dice game “Thabort” is detailed on page 38 of the Shadowdale booklet of the 1993 Realms Campaign Setting box, just to name two), and we know of chess and several similar abstract battle-strategy board games being played in the Realms from my Cormyr co-written novels and other Realms fiction sources. The problem is that many games (such as Shirestone, the halfling game I created) were submitted to, and accepted by, TSR or Wizards, and are owned by them: if they don’t choose to publish them (yet or ever), I’m not free to publish them myself anywhere. However, the games already in print should provide you with enough to waste the time of bored guards and warriors. :}



So saith Ed. Whom I notice didn’t even mention some of the more salacious games we Knights used to play (myself, I think the male Knights were just looking for excuses to get female Knights to doff garments; not that we minded).
Re. the dedication, Kuje: I hope you’ll be pleased when you read it. I know I was. I can quote it if you really want me to, but I wanted to leave it for scribes to discover for themselves. However: your call on this, scribes assembled.
Jamallo, Ed’s sending me more “classic books” descriptions before he leaves for GenCon. Watch this thread.
SiriusBlack, I’ve sent your post to Ed for his reply. I do know the contract asked for a very large wordcount (probably 150,000) but that it was unofficially agreed that it would end up much shorter. I’ve heard that Ed and Elaine between them probably cut 60,000 words or more as they were writing it (chopping entire subplots and characters) - - but then, if they hadn’t, I can envisage us all sitting here waiting, a year or more hence, for something that had grown to six 500-page volumes, with indexes in each.
And no, that wouldn't be a Bad Thing. However, the heart conditions of WotC editors by then would be.
love to all,
THO
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Kuje
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Nay, I can wait. :) Or someone, coughcouchsiriuscoughcough, could PM it to me. :)

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 14 Aug 2005 :  01:47:46  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
SiriusBlack, I’ve sent your post to Ed for his reply. I do know the contract asked for a very large wordcount (probably 150,000) but that it was unofficially agreed that it would end up much shorter. I’ve heard that Ed and Elaine between them probably cut 60,000 words or more as they were writing it (chopping entire subplots and characters) - - but then, if they hadn’t, I can envisage us all sitting here waiting, a year or more hence, for something that had grown to six 500-page volumes, with indexes in each.
And no, that wouldn't be a Bad Thing. However, the heart conditions of WotC editors by then would be.
love to all,
THO



Understood THO...understood. Thank you for passing along the question to EG. And take a bow for your own acknowledgement in the aforementioned dedication.
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Here I was, sitting at work thinking about any new campaign ideas I could use, when something suddenly hit me. What would happen if two different types of Lycanthropes had a child. Lets just choose a Werebear father and Weretiger mother. Would the child be a freak even to lycanthropes because he/she can assume either form upon his choosing? Or would it just be a 50% chance he would get one or the other? Any help from the great Ed or anyone else that checks this thread would be much appreciated
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Just wanted to toss one more card game into the mix because it's always been a favorite of mine: kholiast, introduced in Elves of Evermeet. It's described as "involves a deck of more than 1000 cards, a variable sized hand based upon a throw of dice, and a point counting system that would drive even the most devoted Candlekeep scholar completely mad." (p. 21)

I've always envisioned it played by ten or twelve elves clustered in a ring calling out wagers, waving cards in the air, and tossing dice all over the place. Sort of like a modern-day craps table ambiance (severely amped) as opposed to more sedate card games like poker or blackjack.

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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Posted - 14 Aug 2005 :  11:10:29  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje

Nay, I can wait. :) Or someone, coughcouchsiriuscoughcough, could PM it to me. :)



Well met

I have yet to receive this tome. As if the excitment of the story isn't enough, i'm simply beside myself with the anticipation

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Lord Rad
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Wow thanks for the quick response Ed\THO. Does this mean you've pretty much cleared up your backlog of questions?

Thanks for the information, i'll certainly look to apply some of this to my campaign. It's a shame that WotC are holding onto that material, perhaps one day we'll see it though.

Ed, are you still in touch with Jeff Grubb? It would be great to see him stop by at Candlekeep.' I'm sure i'm not the only one who would have questions for him. I still hold his (and Kate's) novels up there as some of my favorite FR novels

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quote:
Originally posted by Nighthawk08

Here I was, sitting at work thinking about any new campaign ideas I could use, when something suddenly hit me. What would happen if two different types of Lycanthropes had a child. Lets just choose a Werebear father and Weretiger mother. Would the child be a freak even to lycanthropes because he/she can assume either form upon his choosing? Or would it just be a 50% chance he would get one or the other? Any help from the great Ed or anyone else that checks this thread would be much appreciated



According to Van Richten's Monster Hunter Compendium 1 (a 2E Ravenloft source, but one I consider invaluable for any DM who would field vampires and werewolves), lycanthropes of differing phenotypes seem to have an aversion to one another, and are not likely to breed. However, if they did, the offspring would be an infertile mixture of the two breeds.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Rad

Ed, are you still in touch with Jeff Grubb? It would be great to see him stop by at Candlekeep.' I'm sure i'm not the only one who would have questions for him. I still hold his (and Kate's) novels up there as some of my favorite FR novels



I second this one. I should love to see that author duo drop into these halls. I should even more love to see them writing Realms novels again.

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The Hooded One
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Hello again, all. Ed continues his reply to Jamallo Kreen in the matter of “classic books” of the Realms:



Behold: more “classic” tomes of human Faerûnian literature:

DUNSTABLE’S DREAMS by Osmer Dunstable (thick, hand-sized but very thick; many editions, the most recent ones sold with leather slipcovers with four thong catches, to help protect the spine of the book from splitting swiftly; a sort of “Bartlett’s Quotations” for the Realms: collected witty sayings and retorts, phrases, mottoes, and coined words from all over Faerûn, and from all times since the Common Tongue became, well, common; this much-consulted collection is politely called “Dreams” but casually referred to just as “Dunstable”).

ARDOSO: A ROMANCE OF MAGIC by Marmoth Ellerth (a slender volume, always bound in nonsense “mystical symbols” that in some cases have concealed coded messages having nothing to do with the book’s contents; this flowery, purple-prose tale of a young wizard, Ardoso, and his rapid rise to ruling his own fictitious realm as an archwizard of matchless might-in-Art is complete tripe in terms of factual magic lore, but is widely admired for its poetic prose - - which in most places is wildly overblown and ridiculous, but which has yielded to popular speech and other writers some useful phrases such as “all eye-fingered” to describe someone who’s warily “looking in all directions” or is extremely, restlessly nervous; “dusk-eyed and soft-shouldered” to denote a beautiful female dressed and acting so as to mutely request the attentions of someone, but NOT flirting or forwardly demanding their advances; “gods-kissed” to denote someone who is struck with brilliant ideas or endowed with a natural talent that enables them to excel astonishingly without training; “storm-browed” to describe someone glowering in anger).

THE CASTLE OF FOREVER by Hildark Marblesard (a fanciful “history” of Dragonspear Castle, in which the ghosts of various fictitious lords of the fortress who were interred in the walls at their deaths, emerge to top each others’ tales of their times in Dragonspear, and dispute as to what really happened [and whether this or that outland visitor was really a foe of Dragonspear or an ally, and so on]; as history, it’s almost entirely nonsense [beyond a few small snippets here and there about particular people, events, or architectural details of the castle], but the ghosts are thinly-disguised parodies of real rulers, and the timid, scholarly Marblesard puts into their mouths the speeches, views, and attitudes of the real people [hence the lively debates between them], lampooning the womanizing of Azoun IV of Cormyr, the hauteur of Calishite pashas and the Council of Amn, the bombast of Harbromm of Citadel Adbar, and so on; this recently-published tome has soared in popularity to join the ranks of classics because word of mouth across Faerûn attributes to it not the mere entertainment of parody, but veracity in capturing the essential characters of the real rulers, so that it has practical use in understanding how to anticipate what they’ll do next, and how to treat with them if one desires friendship or approval).

SWORDSTAR by Myndrarra Tresstyl (a slim, pocket-sized book of cryptic verses of guidance, e.g.: “This night holds importance dark/Seek stone, calm thought, and fire’s spark/Much coin, hunted scorn, and wounding all await/Choose the way that’s right and straight” with one such verse per page, and each page being bordered by random numbers; with dice or cast pebbles a reader can derive numbers, and so ‘choose’ the right verse whenever consulting the tome; penned by a tavern dancer/prostitute, this book gained popularity when various priesthoods [most of whom give similar guidance by means of hidden clergy chanting or whispering cryptic verses to faithful who pray and give offerings at altars, so they see this book as competition] attempted to suppress it. Consulted by many folk in Faerûn today, and read as riddle-entertainment or a spur for thoughtful thinking by many more; its author, now wrinkled with age, is still much sought-after as a bed-partner, because she gasps cryptic words, phrases, and verses to those who pay to bed her, that they believe apply personally to them, and what they should do in their lives ahead).

MASTERS OF THIS HALL by Awntar Halondaeth (a very old book, printed and reprinted many times, sometimes with amendments by anonymous “authors” who thought they could “improve” upon the original; a narrative wherein an aged king dies and his six sons - - bitter rivals and warrior princes of accomplishment, all - - hasten to seize the throne, arriving in the king’s throne chamber to discover it full of the senior priests of the realm, who have cast mighty spells that prevent arrows flying, swords from being drawn, and so on: they force the princes to try to win the throne with words, convincing the majority of priests present who should make the best king [princes who try to storm out without pledging loyalty to the next king will be slain by spells]; the book consists of debates between the brothers, and colourful tales - - both parables and accounts of their own past deeds, however embellished - - told by them, as they dispute with each other and with various priests who question them keenly; contains the much-quoted exchange between the priest Erlatho and the prince Daereth: [D: “Enough! I’ll no more of this wordspew and idiocy! Better to stride into death than endure more of your waspsting queries and insinuations! I’m a busy man, with many roads to ride and quarries to pursue! I must and shall begone from this place NOW!” E: “Oh? You’ve something more important to rush off to this morn, I take it, than your own life?”] and many more witty oaths and word-fencing much quoted by readers, in their daily doings with each other.


Enough books for now, as my lovely Lady Hooded has piled high my platter of questions. Accordingly:
Yes, Erik, snippets of all of these exist in my notes (and of course all the pseudobiblia quoted in chapter headings and divers other places in my Realms publications down the years). No, Wizards hasn’t shown any interest in publishing these; TSR once did, briefly, at about the time they published LEAVES FROM THE INN OF LAST HOME (hope I’m remembering the title correctly; my copy is buried in a box several rooms away from me right now). There was a plan to publish the lyrics of the songs I’d handed them for performance at GenCon that year (a few later found their ways into a Volo’s Guide), some “sample” pages from various “famous books” of the Realms, a “sample” spell scroll, complete with runes and incantations and instructions for casting [you can probably guess that the Marketing folks flinched away from THAT one, retreating about a mile, to the Next Door Pub, with wails that could only be quelled with much beer, as I recall], a lot of my original maps, et cetera. And no, I don’t have time now to pull all of this material together again, or any legal means of publishing it except through Wizards. Sorry.

No, Lord Rad, the backlog of questions remains as long (groan!) as ever. :} What’s happened is that scribes have asked about matters I’m currently at work on, or can otherwise lay hands on the lore I need to reply very swiftly, or can answer off the top of my head - - and knowing I’m soon going to be falling silent for a week (and then again, shortly after) spurs me to provide scribes with all the answers I can.
Jeff and I remain close friends, although we don’t chat as much as we used to (we’re both too busy for those three-hour phone calls). I still hope to see new Jeff & Kate novels set in the Realms for us all to enjoy, but just now Jeff’s probably too busy with a new job and a platter-full of freelance work to visit Candlekeep. Kisses of Mystra, I’M too busy to stop by Candlekeep! :}

SiriusBlack, I’m glad you liked the dedication; I only hope you find the narrative itself as pleasing. I bled from both soul and fingertips, slashing so many words from CITY OF SPLENDORS, and part of me really hated doing so. However, the amount of rewriting the book received did make for a better-flowing, more pointed story than you’d have seen if Elaine and I had been allowed all the wordcount we wanted to just mention this, add that, and fully explain the other. Peter Archer was very supportive, and is a superb editor and consummate professional to begin with, and I needed no spell - - just the promise to buy him lots of drinks at GenCon this year. :}
Please let me know, candidly, what you think of the result. I feel we didn’t give enough “face time” to all the characters we wanted to, had to trim some detail throughout, and didn’t fully carry out our intention to take the reader along Waterdeep’s streets and alleys for a real “taste, see, and smell” tour, but we did manage to pack a lot in and tell a coherent story that includes at least some memorable scenes. It’s also a book that I believe a complete newcomer to the Realms (like, say, your neighbour’s grandmother, or the businessman beside you at the bus stop) could read and enjoy without having to learn all about the Realms or D&D, or read any other Realms book. Now if the buying public will only agree, and shove us onto the bestseller lists and make us millions . . .



So saith Ed. Who’s already itching to write a sequel, even though there’s no space in the WotC books lineup until at least 2009, now. Ed tells me he’ll probably be able to send one more reply tomorrow, as he goes out the door to begin the long drive down to GenCon.
love to all,
THO
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Yes, Erik, snippets of all of these exist in my notes (and of course all the pseudobiblia quoted in chapter headings and divers other places in my Realms publications down the years). No, Wizards hasn’t shown any interest in publishing these; TSR once did, briefly, at about the time they published LEAVES FROM THE INN OF LAST HOME (hope I’m remembering the title correctly; my copy is buried in a box several rooms away from me right now).
A Realms version of the DL Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home ... Wow!

I've always wanted to see a product like this for Faerun -- with a Leaves from the Halls of Candlekeep or somesuch title. The DL version was a wonderful product for that game line, with an inspiring collection of lore and material that expanded upon the more mundane aspects of the world of Krynn. It's true magic, came from just reading about different elements, rather than employing them in a game.

It's such a shame this type of companion never went ahead .

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 :  02:17:13  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
SiriusBlack, I’m glad you liked the dedication; I only hope you find the narrative itself as pleasing. I bled from both soul and fingertips, slashing so many words from CITY OF SPLENDORS, and part of me really hated doing so. However, the amount of rewriting the book received did make for a better-flowing, more pointed story than you’d have seen if Elaine and I had been allowed all the wordcount we wanted to just mention this, add that, and fully explain the other. Peter Archer was very supportive, and is a superb editor and consummate professional to begin with, and I needed no spell - - just the promise to buy him lots of drinks at GenCon this year. :}



Thank you for taking the time to answer my query. Please do pass along what Mr. Archer drinks. If paths should ever cross, I'm sure many Realms fans wish to know what spirit to arm ourselves with as we plead for a Realms novel focusing on a certain character or characters.

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Please let me know, candidly, what you think of the result. I feel we didn’t give enough “face time” to all the characters we wanted to, had to trim some detail throughout, and didn’t fully carry out our intention to take the reader along Waterdeep’s streets and alleys for a real “taste, see, and smell” tour, but we did manage to pack a lot in and tell a coherent story that includes at least some memorable scenes. It’s also a book that I believe a complete newcomer to the Realms (like, say, your neighbour’s grandmother, or the businessman beside you at the bus stop) could read and enjoy without having to learn all about the Realms or D&D, or read any other Realms book.



I'm only a 1/4 of the way through the novel and as I mentioned to your co-author, I'm very much delighted so far with what I've read. I promise to share thoughts and most likely bothersome questions when I finish reading this work.


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Now if the buying public will only agree, and shove us onto the bestseller lists and make us millions . . .



Say...do those individuals mentioned by name in a dedication get a percentage of such sales? If so, Sirius raises his eyebrows at a certain THO, "Care for a personal librarian dear lady?"

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Ed tells me he’ll probably be able to send one more reply tomorrow, as he goes out the door to begin the long drive down to GenCon.



Safe journey to him. I hope he enjoys his time there.

SiriusBlack
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Jamallo Kreen
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 :  20:50:25  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

(snip)

Jamallo, Ed’s sending me more “classic books” descriptions before he leaves for GenCon. Watch this thread.
(snip)
love to all,
THO



Thank 'ee. I wait with baited breath. (Bated? Hmmm ... garlicky.)



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The Hooded One
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 :  00:18:41  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, fellow scribes. I bring a reply from Ed to Nighthawk08:



Hi. My take on this is that lycanthropy has varied so much in the game rules, from edition to edition (depending on who was writing at the time: it’s a disease! No, it’s a magic curse! No, it’s both! No, it’s neither, but something else entirely! It’s inherited! No, it can’t be inherited!), that all is confusion and you can do just as you like.
In other words, the understanding of lycanthropy (and for that matter, genetics) in the Realms is fuzzy enough that you have a free hand as DM to have the child of two lycanthropes be “normal” (no lycanthropy at all), or able to assume the wereshape of only one parent, or both, or some other wereshape entirely, or have some other beast-related or personal shapechanging powers. This should be unpredictable (by which I mean not uncontrollable for the child, but that no one in the setting could know beforehand that the child of a werebear father and a weretiger mother will predictably have these particular powers), and there should be no “freak” attitude (remember, it’s highly unlikely that other lycanthropes will quickly learn anything about the child’s abilities unless the parents are living in a lycanthrope-only community; if they’re living among “normals,” they’re probably going to try to conceal everything they can about their lycanthopy).
If lycanthropy can be genetically inherited (and I would have it so, just because of the increased play possibilities), the probability of a child acquiring a particular form (the “50% chance” you mention) is, I believe, entirely up to you. In other words, a statistical survey would probably reveal “real” probabilities across the Faerûnian lycanthrope population, but no such survey has ever been done, and therefore “no one knows” the probabilities; you have a free hand.
As for your measurements questions: many different local systems are in use (though “miles” is NOT one of them!), but common trading and therefore widespread measurements are: fingerwidths; “hands” (handwidths, of a mature human male); “arlshanks” (formerly the length of the Uthgardt barbarian hero Ar’s thigh, now a standard measurement exactly equivalent to the real-world “yard” or three feet; Ar was a big guy; a Waterdeep merchant made flat metal plate replicas [stamped with his complicated proof-mark] of Ar’s thighbone after the hero’s death, and these now see wide use up and down the Sword coast and east along the Heartlands trade routes); wagonlengths; bowshots; halfday-rides, day-rides, tenday rides and halfday-hauls (“haul” refers to one horse and laden wagon, as opposed to “ride,” which is one rider on a fast riding-horse), day-hauls, and tenday-hauls.
As you can see, any of these measurements except the arlshank can vary widely, and be the source of much disagreement (“YOUR fat finger, merchant? Or mine?”), and new “better” measurements are constantly being introduced. Nothing thus far has widely and firmly caught on.



So saith Ed. Who will return again after GenCon. As will I.
love to all,
THO
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Faraer
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 :  01:15:28  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
new “better” measurements are constantly being introduced. Nothing thus far has widely and firmly caught on.
One of the NDAs Ed's labouring under concerns the forthcoming Emperor of the North trilogy in which -- SPOILERS -- the great general Napulaun overthrows the government of Amn, conquers northwestern Faerûn, establishes a new system of measurement, but is defeated by Princess Alusair of Cormyr at the Battle of Waterdeep and imprisoned on Ilbar's Isle.

Fair voyaging!

Edited by - Faraer on 16 Aug 2005 01:15:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
new “better” measurements are constantly being introduced. Nothing thus far has widely and firmly caught on.
One of the NDAs Ed's labouring under concerns the forthcoming Emperor of the North trilogy in which -- SPOILERS -- the great general Napulaun overthrows the government of Amn, conquers northwestern Faerûn, establishes a new system of measurement, but is defeated by Princess Alusair of Cormyr at the Battle of Waterdeep and imprisoned on Ilbar's Isle.

Fair voyaging!



SO the Centauri of Babylon 5 are going to try to conquer the north???


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Mkhaiwati
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 :  03:00:58  Show Profile  Visit Mkhaiwati's Homepage Send Mkhaiwati a Private Message
hello,

I was floored when I saw this:
quote:
By my deliberate design and my players’ preferences, play in the Realms has always featured three things:
1. Characters having the freedom to “do their own things.”
[snip]...

2. The Realms Unfolding: I kept a constant flow of “current events” (and rumors) flowing past my players’ ears, to make the Realms seem alive, to hand the players a rich selection of adventuring and roleplaying opportunities,.and to continually introduce new NPCs (that “cast of thousands” so many of my editors loved to hate).
3. Subplots and intrigues. I love them, and so do my players. [snip].... and there were seldom less than a dozen subplots “in play” on their platters at any one time.


I finished some guidelines two weeks ago for a new campaign I am working on and there are three bulleted items and they are:
1)the PCs will have more autonomy as the campaign progresses.
2)The characters don’t live in a vacuum. Don’t expect the world to sit still as with Star Trek; it is always changing.
3)Not only can the party affect the world, but the world may affect the party. Expect there also to be storylines with player characters.

Then I read what his subplots were and wow....
wow.....
That is a lot of work....
I am really, really impressed, and where can I get in on the campaign?
wow....

Mkhaiwati
(in awe of the number, size, and scope of the subplots, okay.. a little envious too)

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