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zeathiel
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  01:49:19  Show Profile  Visit zeathiel's Homepage Send zeathiel a Private Message
Greetings all,

I have a question for Ed. Can you impart any Realmslore on one Thorneira Thalance, apprentice to the Simbul? I am trying to craft an NPC that is an occasional apprentice of the Simbul and am looking for some juicy background details...

I would also like to thank Ed and THO for all their personal feedback on my queries. I appreciate it all very much!

Ever hungry for more Realmslore,

Zeathiel
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  02:31:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. zeathiel, consider that question hurled Ed’s way. Now, Ed’s Morn-family replies to Mark continue:

2. “I have a snippet by Eric Boyd (from one of the Realms lists of the past decade) that states that Randal arranged a marriage between Silver and one of the Cormaerils. Is this official Realmslore, and if so, what is her husband's name (I gathered 'Thracian' from Realms-L, and went with that IMC, but couldn't find a source for it).”
Ed speaks:


I’d rather not fight the “what’s official? Canon is this but not THAT” battle one more time (I only have so many years of life left to me, after all), and Eric and I are both too busy right now with [NDA] (and for that matter, with [NDA] and [NDA], too) to confer on this. Yes, Silver did marry a Cormaeril, but I’m not sure how much Randal “arranged” it, other than serving as her safety-escort on any travels, or carrying letters or messages. Silver’s quite a feisty, strong-minded (if physically small, and usually polite or even demure) person who can think very well for herself. I can’t find anything in my notes as to the name of her husband, though I know it wasn’t Rowen, Beliard, or Tarmuth “Tarmos” (who are all male Cormaerils of the right generation for a likely marriage, but by no means the only candidates), but “Thracian” (though a real-world ancient term for a group of people from a particular place [Thrace], and so a name I’d personally avoid) is fine until I uncover something different. “Thracian” could be a nickname, as “Tarmos” is (which is why I included it here); most Cormyrean nobility have “family nicknames,” and a very few of them use or become better publicly known by such names than their ‘real’ ones.



So saith Ed. Another reply next time.
love,
THO
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Beowulf
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  03:44:07  Show Profile  Visit Beowulf's Homepage Send Beowulf a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Now, Ed’s Morn-family replies to Mark continue:

2. “I have a snippet by Eric Boyd (from one of the Realms lists of the past decade) that states that Randal arranged a marriage between Silver and one of the Cormaerils. Is this official Realmslore, and if so, what is her husband's name (I gathered 'Thracian' from Realms-L, and went with that IMC, but couldn't find a source for it).”




Sorry for the poor quoting above, but I can confirm that the name Thracian Cormaeril is not canon. I know because it's my name for Silver's husband.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  04:44:41  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message

A Question for Ed

Which Cities/Nations/Regions in the Realms have "Attorneys or Lawyers" as part of their Criminal justice system? Do any allow "Private practice representation"

The only court case I recall in published Realms lore is the one in the novel Tantras over the "Murder" of Elminster during the Time of Troubles

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth


A Question for Ed

Which Cities/Nations/Regions in the Realms have "Attorneys or Lawyers" as part of their Criminal justice system? Do any allow "Private practice representation"

The only court case I recall in published Realms lore is the one in the novel Tantras over the "Murder" of Elminster during the Time of Troubles



There was a "Lawyers!" issue of the old Advanced Dungeons & Dragons comic... Khelben had returned from elsewhere to discover that lawyers had infiltrated the City of Splendors. So he of course had to find a way to get rid of them...

And I am so being a nice guy and keeping all my lawyer jokes to myself!

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George Krashos
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  07:44:05  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
Ah yes, I keep forgetting to update my sig. There is a rather prickly description of lawyers by Elminster in one of the "Wizards Three" articles. Have to dig it up because it made me grin (and wince a little too - we lawyers do have such bad PR ...)

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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  08:49:57  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message
Well met

Hmmm, i found a scroll lying around from Jamallo Kreen, it appears to be addressed to Ed:

quote:
Hail and well met! I have questions regarding diplomacy, human and divine, for Abeir-Toril, and I consult thee, O Oracle, for enlightenment.

Is there a Torilian deity who has diplomacy as a portfolio? Eldath is for peace, but I do not recall her clerics acting as diplomats without portfolio (pun intended). Do the gods have any divinity who travels amongst them as neutral messenger and herald, as Hermes served the Olympians, Hades, and Poseidon?

Does much diplomacy occur among the sentient races on Toril? It seems to me that every little squabble and disagreement quickly turns to guerilla warfare, assassination, terrorism, or full-scale invasion. Shou Lung (pre-Horde) apparently used classic Chinese methods of buying off barbarians, but everyone else seems incredibly violent towards everyone who isn't already an ally, and they drag their gods into their disputes immediately, turning trade wars into holy wars. (What, after all, is the big problem with the Zhentarim and the Rundeen? I think it's a fair bet that many a Waterdhavian or Sembian merchant has hired pirates or banditi to take out a rival's ship or caravan, but didn't ask Bane or Cyric for help -- that hardly makes them "good" and the Zhentarim and Rundeen "evil" -- from whom one buys one's pots and pans shouldn't be a matter of cosmic significance, in my opinion, but the people of Faerun make it so.)

I suppose that a lot of diplomacy occurs within the Lords' Alliance, but I rarely see overt evidence of it in the novels or sourcebooks. Does it take place via portal travel? Do diplomats otherwise travel with trade caravans or do they travel only with their own entourages?

Has international diplomacy grown since the "Crusade" against the Tuigan Horde, or have the states of Faerun lapsed back into their old ways? (I notice that they send diplomats to Shade -- I'd send peace missions to a city full of Netherese wizards, too!)

I asked Kuje, and Kuje said to ask you, Ed, so here I am! Your insisghts are requested to enlighten this poor scholar.

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Ty
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  14:29:57  Show Profile  Visit Ty's Homepage Send Ty a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Ah yes, I keep forgetting to update my sig. There is a rather prickly description of lawyers by Elminster in one of the "Wizards Three" articles. Have to dig it up because it made me grin (and wince a little too - we lawyers do have such bad PR ...)

-- George Krashos




I'd certainly be interested in reading that description. It is amazing the reputation lawyers have, ahem, until certain persons get themselves in trouble. Then for some reason, they want to be our best friends... On a serious note though, I'd be interested in seeing how the lesser known Realms deals with issues of trial, innocence, and the various court systems.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  18:26:22  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello - - and "Oh, dear."
I'm sorry, but Ed's answers on matters of diplomacy and law are going to take a little while. The first topic due to NDA troubles (a very current Realms writing project), and the second because Ed was revamping the City of Splendors boxed set legal code for an answer here for Verghityax, and had to halt and rob his own work to provide legal details for an FR city article for DRAGON. When he's (finally!) "out of the woods" on these, I know he will be swift to answer.
I'll make sure of it.
love to all,
THO
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Kuje
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Here's a question for Ed or even THO, since WOTC can't decide how they want the FR lore to be.

Do all divine casters need a deity to get thier spells or can divine casters worship a "cause" or a broader thing like "nature, strength, etc." to get thier spells?

Most of us believe that, since the gods of FR are so prevalent, divine casters get thier spells from a deity and not from a cause or a broad term.

For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird

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Lysander
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  18:35:41  Show Profile  Visit Lysander's Homepage Send Lysander a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth


A Question for Ed

Which Cities/Nations/Regions in the Realms have "Attorneys or Lawyers" as part of their Criminal justice system? Do any allow "Private practice representation"

The only court case I recall in published Realms lore is the one in the novel Tantras over the "Murder" of Elminster during the Time of Troubles



There was a "Lawyers!" issue of the old Advanced Dungeons & Dragons comic... Khelben had returned from elsewhere to discover that lawyers had infiltrated the City of Splendors. So he of course had to find a way to get rid of them...

And I am so being a nice guy and keeping all my lawyer jokes to myself!


Yea, especially since where you are is so nice to my profession - and I'm from there! (though, not there now).

quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Ah yes, I keep forgetting to update my sig. There is a rather prickly description of lawyers by Elminster in one of the "Wizards Three" articles. Have to dig it up because it made me grin (and wince a little too - we lawyers do have such bad PR ...)

-- George Krashos

Yea, I know. Though, it's usefull at times; keeps the rif-raf at bay, professional courtesy, and so forth.
(It's time again for the ABA dues? Isn't there a spell against that?)

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MW Turnage
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  19:05:48  Show Profile  Visit MW Turnage's Homepage Send MW Turnage a Private Message
*Jawdrops*

My thanks to Ed and THO. I hoped for a sentence or two, or maybe a short paragraph at most. All that Realmslore from just the first question...I'm stunned.

That said, I'm aghast at how much of this has been left out of published material. It certainly would've stopped the complaints of Randall being a Robin Hood knock-off pretty quickly.

Unfortunately the 'canon' history is far enough away from what I've had to come up with that I don't think I'll be able to incorporate it whole-cloth into my campaign. On the plus side, though, I now finally have an excuse for my players to go to Waterdeep...

Mark
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Faraer
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  20:25:09  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message
The "Wizards Three" lawyer reference is in "Once More the Three" (Dragon #200). (That's not from memory but from searching the handy 'all Realms Dragon articles up to #200' PDF file I put together from the Dragon Magazine Archive.)
quote:
“’Lawyer’? What’s a lawyer?” Dalamar asked.

“An agent for thieves and the like, widely used in this world to keep folk from using their swords. They fence with words, not blades,” Elminster replied. Mordenkainen grunted around a forkful of lasagna, “If I know anything about such envoys, most of them doubtless will soon be bigger thieves than those they represent.”
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Verghityax
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Posted - 08 Jun 2005 :  21:21:30  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello - - and "Oh, dear."
I'm sorry, but Ed's answers on matters of diplomacy and law are going to take a little while. The first topic due to NDA troubles (a very current Realms writing project), and the second because Ed was revamping the City of Splendors boxed set legal code for an answer here for Verghityax, and had to halt and rob his own work to provide legal details for an FR city article for DRAGON. When he's (finally!) "out of the woods" on these, I know he will be swift to answer.
I'll make sure of it.
love to all,
THO



I'm not sure but is this FR city article going to be on Waterdeep? Correct me if I have mistaken. And one more thing. In which DRAGON issue we can expect this article?
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The Hooded One
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Hi again, fellow scribes. Ed continues to reply to MWTurnage’s Morn-clan queries:

“3. If Silver's husband is indeed a Cormaeril, what does that imply for the couple after the events of Cormyr: The Novel? Pressure from the family to bear an heir that could take the Daggerdale throne, in an attempt to recoup the family's losses in a different (albeit smaller) kingdom?”
Ed writes:


It doesn’t imply much for the couple, because the Cormaerils are physically scattered as well as ‘all over the map’ in their views on life, what it is to be noble, what it should mean to be a Cormaeril, what they think of the Obarskyrs or the prevailing weather in Amn or the price of potatoes, and so on. Certainly some of the older nobles will be mortified at what’s happened to the Cormaerils and determined to either enact revenge or regain their lost and “rightful” status or both, and noble sons (like Silver’s husband) are ALWAYS under pressure to sire heirs (that’s all that being noble in the end really means: tracing your unbroken bloodline back far enough so as to be able to “prove” some special status or rights or traditional powers). So, yes, they’ll always want an heir.
However, Daggerdale IS ‘right next door’ to Cormyr (albeit a troubled, largely-wild, ungoverned “on the maps only” part of Cormyr) and therefore vulnerable to attack or “friendly invasion” in a way that the nearby but fiercely-independent port of Westgate is not (Cormyr expanding into Daggerdale would win Sembian anger and warnings [to say nothing of the ire of other Dalesfolk, which the Sembians would count on to stop Cormyr expanding farther], but Cormyr charging into Westgate would result in Sembian-sponsored war against the Forest Kingdom). So Daggerdale would be a good base only for Cormaerils taking a “I’m really a good person, and loyal to Cormyr, and you’ve made a terrible mistake. Would you please reconsider?” stance, not Cormaerils hostile to the Dragon Throne or even desiring to “show the Obarskyrs a thing or two” by the social and economic success an exiled Cormaeril clan can achieve.
Like most noble families, the Cormaerils fight among themselves (not necessarily with weapons) more than with outsiders - - and only the strongest personalities can win fellow family members over to their views, to make them act together on anything. We already know that the three youngish males I mentioned have all gone their own sharply divergent ways - - while not necessarily disliking each other at all, just not having much to do with each other on a daily basis, even before Rowen’s transformation - - so only the “elder Cormaeril aunties” are likely to hold shared strong views that would involve them telling Silver and her husband what to do. Perhaps only those aunts would expect their younger kin to listen and obey.



So saith Ed. Good stuff, as usual. The replies continue on the morrow.
Verghityax, the city article will be in a later issue than the Waterdeep spotlight, and the city isn't Waterdeep. Rather, it's [NDA].
love,
THO
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Verghityax
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Posted - 09 Jun 2005 :  10:38:20  Show Profile  Visit Verghityax's Homepage Send Verghityax a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Verghityax, the city article will be in a later issue than the Waterdeep spotlight, and the city isn't Waterdeep. Rather, it's [NDA].
love,
THO




Ah, dear Lady Hooded One, You tease us as always.
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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
So saith Ed. Good stuff, as usual. The replies continue on the morrow.
Verghityax, the city article will be in a later issue than the Waterdeep spotlight, and the city isn't Waterdeep. Rather, it's


Crimmor in Amn according to the 'next in DRAGON' blurb. Courtesy of a poster on ENWorld.

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The Hooded One
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Hello again, scribes. Ed tackles Mark’s fourth Morn family question:

“4. What would the effect be on Randal? Pressure to take a wife and sire an heir himself to keep his in-laws from bumping him off in favor of a niece or nephew? A weakening of ties with Cormyr given a familial relationship with Azoun’s would-be assassins?”
(Mark, I took the liberty of changing “bear an heir himself,” though it’s physically possible given the spells of the Realms that Ed’s detailed or hinted at, over the years, to “sire an heir himself,” which is what I think you meant. Ed will no doubt leap in to correct me if he thinks I’m wrong in this, and by all means do so yourself, if I am.)
Ed replies:


Randal may well have ‘weak seed’ (near-sterility, perhaps from genetics, and perhaps from long, hard hours in the saddle and years of living in the open under harsh conditions). He’s certainly shown no signs of fathering anyone - - and he HAS enjoyed many trysts and even several-year-long affairs with women during his rugged life. I don’t think his ties with Cormyr would be altered at all (Vangerdahast and others have long since used magic to stealthily ‘read’ what they could of Randal’s mind, and take his true measure and learn his loyalties). What will happen is that some Highknight, undercover War Wizard, or other Cormyrean spies will go into Daggerdale (which is already awash in Harper, Zhent, Sembian, Dalesfolk, and yes, Cormyrean spies) to watch and listen carefully for any signs of Cormaerils subverting Randal Morn or “starting anything.”
These agents could be Randal’s best defense against anyone Cormaeril or hired-by-Cormaeril from “bumping him off.” I don’t think Randal would feel any such threat, or be influenced by it even if it were made openly to his face. The man has spent his life guerilla-fighting or adventuring, after all. Most of the folk of Daggerdale view the Morns as the “rightful first family” of Daggerdale, and will do so no matter what Randal does (if he turned into a butchering tyrant, they’d soon acquire the view that he wasn’t a “true Morn,” not that the Morns shouldn’t be ruling Daggerdale). I doubt Randal wants to openly take a wife and therefore endanger her (Zhent assassins or wizards seeking to rule her mind, and him through her), but as he grows older, I think he’ll want to settle down and have a family and an everpresent mate he can love, trust, and cuddle.
Whether whatever fates there be will allow him this happiness is another matter altogether . . .



So saith Ed. Wisely reminding us all that life has a way of surprising us, and that not a few of those little surprises are nasty ones.
Krash: Could be, could be. Naughty Ed and I may both be, but NDAs we honour.
love to all,
THO
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Mr.Greenwood, my fellow Canadian,

I was wondering if there is anything special about rainbows in the realms. Do they differ in any way to those of earth? Thanks

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Dargoth
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From Dragon 333 re Eds article in 334

Cities of the Realms: Crimmor
by Ed Greenwood
First in a new series by the master of the FORGOTTEN REALMS, Ed Greenwood presents the city of Crimmor, central hub for trade in the merchant kingdom of Amn. Explore the city's every facet, from a sampling of its fine cuisine to its unique merchant symbols. Do your adventurers dare oppose the Dragonlady, or might they find themselves working alongside the mysterious Shadow Thieves?

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Verghityax
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

From Dragon 333 re Eds article in 334

Cities of the Realms: Crimmor
by Ed Greenwood
First in a new series by the master of the FORGOTTEN REALMS, Ed Greenwood presents the city of Crimmor, central hub for trade in the merchant kingdom of Amn. Explore the city's every facet, from a sampling of its fine cuisine to its unique merchant symbols. Do your adventurers dare oppose the Dragonlady, or might they find themselves working alongside the mysterious Shadow Thieves?



That's just soooooooo great I cannot remember any nice, crunchy article on a FR city since Marsember. Oh, one more thing, does anyone know if there's going to be a map of Crimmor in the article?

Edited by - Verghityax on 10 Jun 2005 08:48:54
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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Verghityax

Oh, one more thing, does anyone know if there's going to be a map of Crimmor in the article?



I'm sure the editors know.

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Ty
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Hrm, Crimmor? Didn't see that one coming. I hope there's some mention of the Sharran activities in that city.
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The Hooded One
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Of COURSE there'll be a map (I've seen Ed's original and he tells me the DRAGON folks did a gorgeous one from it). And other graphics, too!
love to all,
THO
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Verghityax
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

Of COURSE there'll be a map (I've seen Ed's original and he tells me the DRAGON folks did a gorgeous one from it). And other graphics, too!
love to all,
THO



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