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Gerath Hoan
Learned Scribe

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Posted - 16 May 2005 :  22:50:58  Show Profile Send Gerath Hoan a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31

quote:
Originally posted by Gerath Hoan
I was interested in this too... i've searched both your documents and all we've got is Ed saying that it'll be the subject of a forthcoming Realmslore article on the official site.

Where did you get the idea from of a female imposter then, Kuje?

GH



It's at the end of my 04 file to a reply to Zandilar, "The current Lhaeo is another obvious variation on the theme, being a young woman magically disguised as a rumored gay man who was actually straight. Hello, Blake Edwards! Yikes!"

Now I'm not positive that is canon. :)



Now how did i miss that one? Alaundo will not be pleased with the eyesight of this particular scribe!

Thanks Kuje, we'll wait and see what the Realmslore articles do to either expand on, or change, that particular comment of Ed's.

GH

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Wooly Rupert
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My mistake... I don't have any info on Lhaeo's replacement. We do know, though, thanks to one of the Spin A Yarn tales, that the replacement is a girl who bears an illusion that makes her look like Lhaeo.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

My mistake... I don't have any info on Lhaeo's replacement. We do know, though, thanks to one of the Spin A Yarn tales, that the replacement is a girl who bears an illusion that makes her look like Lhaeo.



That's why I thought it was canon, besides the info in the reply I quoted. :)

SPEAKING OF Spin a Yarns. Ed! What is WOTC doing with last years! You gave it to them in November!

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 17 May 2005 :  00:56:54  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31

quote:
Originally posted by Gerath Hoan
I was interested in this too... i've searched both your documents and all we've got is Ed saying that it'll be the subject of a forthcoming Realmslore article on the official site.

Where did you get the idea from of a female imposter then, Kuje?

GH



It's at the end of my 04 file to a reply to Zandilar, "The current Lhaeo is another obvious variation on the theme, being a young woman magically disguised as a rumored gay man who was actually straight. Hello, Blake Edwards! Yikes!"

Now I'm not positive that is canon. :)



I'm positive it's canonical, as Ed & I hatched that back during the plotting and prewriting of Lands of Intrigue. We needed someone to be Lhaeo while he spent the next year assembling an army as the returning Crown Prince Haedrak.

And yes, Haedrak as Lhaeo let people believe whatever they wished about him and El, so rumors flew like flies around a zulkir...

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 17 May 2005 :  01:33:29  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, fellow scribes. Ed replies to Sarelle:



Hi! Your point about pleasing male-gamer readers with portraying only female characters as bisexual or homosexual is a good one. I suspect sales (and the attitudes of superiors, or their reactions to any consumer complaints) are the ultimate determinants. Down here in the trenches, I merely try to show you the Realms, warts and all. :}
Writing the Avatar modules was frustrating because I had to make turnovers before any of the novels were finished, and only had plot outlines to work from (and the novels were changing markedly, week after week, and went on changing long after my module-writing was done). Much of what you see in the published modules (such as Castle Kilgrave, and all of the details of Adon, Cyric, Kelemvor, and Midnight) isn’t my writing, and I first saw much of that text when everyone else who bought the module did. So I DIDN’T translate the main novel characters into AD&D form, except in the most crude and preliminary manner. Someone did, yes, but it wasn’t me.
What I ultimately did was deliberately write way more text than would ever fit in the three modules, generating dozens of ‘colour’ NPC encounters and lore, in hopes that these elements could be cherry-picked and hung around the final module plot. I sent this all in to TSR, and then just had to wait and see: my work was done, and as a non-employee, I was largely ‘out of the loop’ from then on.
All modules meant to ‘mirror’ books suffer to a greater or lesser extent from predeterminism (the plot has to go like this, or end up here, no matter what the PCs do), and I was specifically annoyed that Storm, Mourngrym, and other established NPCs had to ‘act out of character’ to serve the plot, and that we saw “Harper troopers” in print (Harper TROOPERS? When did we slide into the American Civil War, exactly?).
However, it’s all water under the bridge now. I didn’t decide there should be three modules covering the Avatar events and grandly tell TSR to publish them, I accepted an assignment to write the trio because someone decided the last one was to be entitled “The Death of Elminster” (yes, that’s how the contract reads) and if anyone was going to kill off Elminster, it was going to be ME.
This was a perfect example of what people call a “learning experience.” Everyone involved learned from it, and most of us learned the hard way (Jeff Grubb used to refer to the whole thing as “the Avatar Vortex” because the project dragged seemingly everyone at TSR into involvement with it, growing as it went). If we ever had to do this again, I’d want the three novels to be written, finished, and ‘set,’ and THEN start concocting modules that adapt the novels for maximum playability, or if that’s not possible due to the fictional story, use the modules to create a side-adventure. The predeterminism coupled with the NPC party (Adon, et al) rising to godhood, plus the existing gods’ avatars striding around blasting each other, makes for an exciting setting but leaves most PCs “in over their heads” and relegated to supporting, rather than heroic, roles.

As for the yuan-ti and sarrukh threat revealed in SERPENT KINGDOMS, I’d say that most “powerful Scaleless Ones” are so used to yuan-ti intrigues that they largely haven’t noticed anything ‘special’ yet, and that the Chosen of Mystra have always thought that a handful of separate, individual sarrukh probably survived, magically preserved or trapped, and so all too easily ascribe mentions of sarrukh sightings or activity as the work of a lone survivor creature, or a powerful wizard who’s animated a dead sarrukh or shapechanged himself or a servitor creature into sarrukh form for some purpose or other, rather than any concerted or real threat.
It’s important to remember that the Chosen are mentally-aging, extremely busy individuals who juggle platters full of multiple projects at all times, and that they can’t be everywhere or ever have much leisure to sit around ‘analyzing intelligence.’ They’re always racing here, there, and everywhere stamping out scores of figurative fires. If they weren’t so overloaded, no PC adventurer would have much to do, right?
(This is why I always chuckle when I read a post online from someone complaining about how the Realms is too loaded down with powerful good guys. Well, powerful enough to keep the powerful bad ones from having blown the entire planet up long ago, yes, but . . .)
And yes, I’d say a “world-weary Elminster” certainly WOULD “jump at the idea that some of the earliest creatures in Toril's history slithered and worked magic once again on Faerûn.” :}



So saith Ed. Oh, you’ve got his mind humming now! I can tell from the tone of his phrasing! You did it, Sarelle! You started something big . . .
As to what, well, we’ll all just have to wait and see.
And yes, Ed confirms the “female Lhaeo,” and also wants you all to know that he, too, wants to know what’s up with the superb Spin A Yarn novella (!) he did this year. He handed it in to Mary-Liz long ago, and she handed it on to the web folks, and . . . silence (thus far) is our stern reward. Grrr.
love to all,
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Posted - 17 May 2005 :  02:03:20  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message
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Originally posted by The Hooded One

And yes, Ed confirms the “female Lhaeo,” and also wants you all to know that he, too, wants to know what’s up with the superb Spin A Yarn novella (!) he did this year. He handed it in to Mary-Liz long ago, and she handed it on to the web folks, and . . . silence (thus far) is our stern reward. Grrr.
love to all,
THO


Perhaps we should knock the doors of the web publishing department at WotC, for a gentle reminder . Or, perhaps those crazy mephits are at work again... .

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khorne
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Posted - 17 May 2005 :  09:58:25  Show Profile  Visit khorne's Homepage  Click to see khorne's MSN Messenger address Send khorne a Private Message
Lhaeo has a replacement? He is a prince? And of what country? And last, how the heck did I miss this since I haven`t heard about this anywhere!

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Wooly Rupert
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Lhaeo has a replacement? He is a prince? And of what country? And last, how the heck did I miss this since I haven`t heard about this anywhere!



Lhaeo was a prince of Tethyr, who was smuggled out during the Ten Black Days of Eleint, when Tethyr's monarchy fell. A few years ago, Lhaeo led an army south and reclaimed the throne.

Some of the characters from the AD&D comic helped him, and are now nobles.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Lhaeo has a replacement? He is a prince? And of what country? And last, how the heck did I miss this since I haven`t heard about this anywhere!



Lhaeo was a prince of Tethyr, who was smuggled out during the Ten Black Days of Eleint, when Tethyr's monarchy fell. A few years ago, Lhaeo led an army south and reclaimed the throne.

Some of the characters from the AD&D comic helped him, and are now nobles.

But isn`t the monarch of tethyr this woman called zarandra or something like that?

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by khorne

Lhaeo has a replacement? He is a prince? And of what country? And last, how the heck did I miss this since I haven`t heard about this anywhere!



Lhaeo was a prince of Tethyr, who was smuggled out during the Ten Black Days of Eleint, when Tethyr's monarchy fell. A few years ago, Lhaeo led an army south and reclaimed the throne.

Some of the characters from the AD&D comic helped him, and are now nobles.

But isn`t the monarch of tethyr this woman called zarandra or something like that?



She's the Queen. He's the King.

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Kuje
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Thier children are also in the Lands of Intrigue box set. :)

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 17 May 2005 :  23:10:48  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message
Hello, o The Hooded One... this one goes out to Ed of the Greenwood, who hopefully isn´t offended by the small details that I´d like to inquire (my players are VERY keen on them).

All my questions concern Realmslore that Ed has already written about, but hopefully he finds the time to answer these:

I´d like to know more about ´tallhouses´ which Ed has referred to many times... he describes them resembling row-houses with four to six floors. Do they have multiple entrances? Where are the staircases located? Are there ´fire-escape´-like wooden stairs accessing the upper floors outside, or is there perhaps a single central staircase inside the house? How many apartments does a typical floor contain? Are there kitchen and bathroom facilities on each floor?

Then about the typical Sembian upcountry dwellings, which are described as ´walled compounds´. Does he mean ´walled´as in ´surrounded by a wooden palisade´or perhaps a low stone (or wood) fence/wall?

Another question concerns the half-elven ´arndils´, which are described as ´cabins´. Are they made of wood or stone, or perhaps both?

Thank you in advance!

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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 18 May 2005 :  02:28:37  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello all. Ed of the Greenwood makes reply to new Realms author Erik Scott de Bie:


Hi, Erik! Welcome to the fold! The wolves come down fairly often, so pick a spot that’s not too bloodstained and make yourself comfy . . .
Yes, of course I run into editorial restriction / oversight when I’m writing the Band of Four. My editor is the former head of TSR’s Books Department, Brian Thomsen.
Brian’s editing style is to shape the story at the outline and rewrite stage (sometimes in great detail, sometimes in overall grand sweep), but leave the actual storytelling (prose details) to the writer. If you don’t give him what he’s looking for, of course, he’ll zero in on specific paragraphs, scenes, or even individual names, descriptions, or lone words.
So, yes, I have greater freedom, but then again: no, I don’t. I agreed to deliver a certain sort of book for the Band of Four series (the fifth one, THE SILENT HOUSE, is deeper, darker, and more complex than the quartet that precedes it), and Brian held me to crafting that sort of book.
Which is fine with me: I had great fun doing them, and got to explore things from a slightly different viewpoint and style than I usually can when doing Realms books. In terms of how ‘sexy’ they are: they’re not much stronger than the Realms (a TRIFLE stronger than most but not all of MY Realms writing), because that’s the niche Tor Books was looking to see filled. (See Jordan, Goodkind, Carey, Hayden et al for much racier Tor-published fantasy novels.)

Now, as for this comment of yours: “As I’ve found, eventually characters take on a life of their own and jump entirely out of one’s control.”
I know exactly what you mean, but my answer has to be: No.
Except when writing purely for my own pleasure, not publication, I’ve never had the luxury of sitting back and seeing where the characters take me. I always have editors who want the tale outlined, and I have to deliver that promised plot: I CAN’T “lose control.” Yes, as you say, “everything flows organically,” so you have to choose the right characters to ‘fit’ initially. However, the throne and the quill are yours: you CAN make characters do and say what you need them to do. The trick is squaring that with the self-life they seem to take on (which is only in your head, remember, until you get a particular tale published and others read those little curved squiggles of ink on a page and assemble imaginary pictures in their heads, to let the characters ‘live’ there).
Decades ago, a much older writer, a friend of mine, used to challenge me to write a scene in which my latest favourite character did this or that. When I’d say, “But CHARACTER X would never DO that!” He’d reply, “Oh? Still think fairies dictate your dreams, do you? You’re the writer here: show me how CHARACTER X would do that, and why. Don’t tell me, show me.”
And I would, often wincing and cursing, and then he’d do it all over again. Forcing me to make characters grow and change in front of my eyes.
I ache to be able to just let the characters take over. If you start a large, successful publishing company and want to offer me big bucks to write fantasy novels for you, give me the chance to do that, will you?
I’d give a lot to see where some of my characters would go, if I let them loose to wander as they willed. Of course, we might just send up with a big game of strip poker between Mirt, Elminster, Storm, the Simbul, Sharantyr, and so on (and I have this horrible feeling that the majority of our characters none of us would want to see naked would be the ones who’d be losing) . . .



So saith Ed. Thanks for THAT mental image, Big Bearded Creator.
Asgetrion, good questions: sending them on . . .
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THO
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Zandilar
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Heya,

My meandering mind has recently lead me down the paths of the divine, both Real World and Faerunian... I've had a number of different questions occur to me about the gods, and those who serve them in the Realms...

How well are clerics respected in the Realms (with a particular focus on Cormyr in particular)? From my reading of a variety of novels, I get the impression that authors don't like them much (Please note: I have not read RAS's Cleric Quintet). They get very little "screen time" at all, and they especially seem to be avoided in situations where a little bit of healing would go a long way. When clerics do appear in Realms novels, it's usually as incompetent and/or fanatical (there are exceptions, I do acknowledge that - Gwennath, for example, in C:AN and in DotD, and the priest of Tempus who helps Tanalasta deliver her son)... But that dislike doesn't seem to be just from the authors... For example: Some soldiers at the end of DotD were almost rolling their eyes and groaning in annoyance when clerics started to appear to try and help Azoun IV. They were almost saying things like: "Typical they should appear just after we've done all the hard work" (don't have the book here, so can't give you an exact quote. ) and that they were "vultures"... Not a very good attitude to have towards the people who serve good deities (the only cleric of an evil god there was one of Malar), and certianly not respectful of those who might have been able to heal the King.

Malar seems to have a fairly large following in Cormyr, if his priest was permitted anywhere near Azoun IV. Is this right?

Why is Darmos Lauthyr still in power? He comes across like a madman in the stories I've read that have included cameos by him... And his idea to "unite the church of Tymora" doesn't really seem... well Tymoran to me. Though, perhaps, it is a rather bold idea. Perhaps there's something about him I've missed?

In the 2nd Edition god book Demihuman Detities, it is said that Eilistraee has no male clergy... But in the 3e book Faiths and Pantheons, no mention is made of this restriction at all. Should the 2nd Ed information remain canon, or does this represent a shift in Eilistraee's church towards accepting male clergy? If it doesn't represent such a shift, why is it that Eilistraee only accepts females to be clerics? And if it does, why has she chosen now? or is it some kind of retcon? (I have my own theory, but it's terribly biased, and totally coloured by my own perceptions... and there's no evidence to support it either.)

Last question: Where do souls come from (for those races that have them)? Is there a deity who assigns them to newborns (I'd presume each race would have to have one if they did)? Or is a soul made when the child is first concieved with no divine "intervention/interference" at all?

Zandilar
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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.

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Garen Thal
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On clerics and Cormyr, in repsonse to Zandilar:

To avoid getting long-winded about the subject, priests are viewed differently by different factes of society. Soldiers honor them for their healing, wizards (especially the War Wizards) deride them for their dependence on deities for spell power, commonfolk are thankful for their protections against widespread disease, and nobles find them entertaining diversions (sometimes). The soldiers at the end of Death of the Dragon were both insulted by the priests' presence (Azoun was dying a "good death," painful though it was, and should be with his men) and their behavior (acting like scrambling courtiers, not men of faith). Soldiers have a way of knowing when their comrade--or their king--has suffered irreperable injury.

Malar's following is fairly large and widespread in Cormyr; he is the only deity of evil alignment that's openly worshipped in the Forest Kingdom. In his aspect as god of the hunt, rangers, scouts, and members of the nobility offer him veneration at some point, if not as their patron.

Other gods, of course, have their followings as well. Murderers will always like Cyric, usurper will call on Bane or Gargauth, and nobles will always, ahem, toy with the worship of Loviatar, but (apart from Malar) no evil god is welcomed in Cormyr. This is not to say that they do not receive their tribute--Umberlee's name is whispered in ports and Talos is invoked to keep lightning from striking one's home or business--only that the clergy of such gods don't tend to walk openly in Cormyr.
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quote:
Originally posted by ZandilarLast question: Where do souls come from (for those races that have them)? Is there a deity who assigns them to newborns (I'd presume each race would have to have one if they did)? Or is a soul made when the child is first concieved with no divine "intervention/interference" at all?



Most of us agree that souls that are not connected to a deity come from the positive energy plane, which makes sense in light that greater undead that have souls are fueled by the negative energy plane. :)

Now, of course, TSR never actually stated where souls come from at least that I can recall.

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quote:
In the 2nd Edition god book Demihuman Detities, it is said that Eilistraee has no male clergy... But in the 3e book Faiths and Pantheons, no mention is made of this restriction at all. Should the 2nd Ed information remain canon, or does this represent a shift in Eilistraee's church towards accepting male clergy? If it doesn't represent such a shift, why is it that Eilistraee only accepts females to be clerics? And if it does, why has she chosen now? or is it some kind of retcon? (I have my own theory, but it's terribly biased, and totally coloured by my own perceptions... and there's no evidence to support it either.)


This question has been posed already and unanswered so far (unless I missed it). New source over rides older sources, for example Lolth got rid of all her male clerics one way or another. There is a discusion here: http://www.eilistraee.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=creligion;cat=chosen that tries to explore what changes might apply to the 3rd Edition. As is fan based certainly not canon. The conculsion that is offered is that most will be female, however the restriction of gender to be a Cleric remains, this in part supported with the fact that Sword Dancers have to be female. The is also the Silverhair Knight (Sin-Eater of Eilistraee) in Dragon Magazine #315 that does not have a gender restriction, though requires Dive casting abilities. Paladins are not premitted pecause of alignment of Eilistraee so the only other Divine caster is ranger and they certainly can be either gender.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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quote:
Originally posted by ZandilarLast question: Where do souls come from (for those races that have them)? Is there a deity who assigns them to newborns (I'd presume each race would have to have one if they did)? Or is a soul made when the child is first concieved with no divine "intervention/interference" at all?



Most of us agree that souls that are not connected to a deity come from the positive energy plane, which makes sense in light that greater undead that have souls are fueled by the negative energy plane. :)

Now, of course, TSR never actually stated where souls come from at least that I can recall.

Neither do I. There have been, of course, numerous theories, but I've disliked them all. In fact, I've rather enjoyed the fact that the nature of the soul, as well as its origin, has always been left unexplained.

There are at least some mysteries that remain in 3e.

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Hello, all. Ed has replied to Slime Lord’s query, relayed by kuje31: “How did you (Ed) manage to keep track of everything when you where and are creating Toril and all that goes with it?”
Here’s Ed:



You think I can keep track of anything, anymore? BWOOOhahahahahah!
Do I strike you as particularly sane?
Ahem, seriously now: as a librarian, I spend oodles of my life organizing things. I love doing indexes for books, and otherwise ‘tidying’ information.
Yet the Realms long ago started moving too fast for me to keep up with all of the details everyone else adds to it. I just cling to the runaway dragon for dear (as in: not tonight, dear!) life, and try to keep up as best I can. Remember, I’ve always had a day job (with big commute), a busy social life, and a writing pace that most other writers frankly just don’t believe. Oh, yes, and I play games, roleplaying and otherwise. Toss in eating and sleeping, and I’ve never had TIME to sit back and organize things!



So saith Ed. Whose big secret is out, now! Sorry you asked?
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Danka Ed. I'll try to find another WOTC poster who needs something answered, just to keep you on your toes. :)

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Hello, all. More ‘housekeeping’ from Ed, wherein he replies briefly to several scribes:



To KnightErrantJR: glad you liked the Thor analogy, but I’ve got to show my age here: to me, as a Thor reader, Walt Simonson is one of the “recent, new” creatives (in other words, Ragnarok had already been done several times, notably both by Kirby [twice] and Thomas, before Simonson ever appeared on the book to do HIS Ragnarok). Which just strengthens my point.

Krafus, I WONDERED how long it was going to be before someone asked me who by the Simbul’s wind-whipped nipples Ghalaster of Thay was. Congrats.
Hi, Damian. Krafus is correct in his hopes, the golem-builder is the Masked One, and not the same person.
As for the fates of both Ghalaster and the Masked One (ooh, I feel positively EVIL doing this), all I can tell you is [NDA].

David Maxson, you’re quite welcome, and yes, there will be more major revelations about Realms deities and cosmology in the future. Not soon as readers receive things, but . . . as soon as possible.



So saith Ed. Who has an answer for Si on the way (he tells me).
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Great googaly moogaly . . . I felt old making a Walt Simonson reference! LOL . . . sorry Ed.

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More cosmology and godly revelations in the not soon but not too distant future? Well that is very exciting news for me--as the cosmology has been an abiding preoccupation for me since it was introduced. Very exciting news indeed!
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quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson

More cosmology and godly revelations in the not soon but not too distant future? Well that is very exciting news for me--as the cosmology has been an abiding preoccupation for me since it was introduced. Very exciting news indeed!

I'll echo that. I missed this scroll in my earlier pass this morning (still reading through CoR).

But I'm glad to hear that both the Realms deities and the cosmology itself will be getting more attention in the future. I'm more inclined toward the cosmological elements myself though, since the gods have already received some significant detailing of their own through the years...

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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One


<snipping for brevity>
And speaking of Zandilar: she laid this question before us all: “If Alusair got herself pregnant somehow, would she be required to marry? Since there’d be absolutely no doubt that the child was hers




On the matter of there being no doubt a child was Alusair's, in a world that contains powerful shapeshifters and similar magic I'd say that anyone who wants to rabble rouse can always cast doubt, provided they're willing to risk Alusair finding out about their calumny. Which leads me to my next question, I know this veers perilously close to real world, CSI territory but has Ed ever had occasion to use blood tracing magic? Magic which can prove who your mother, father is etc. It occurs to me that this might be very valuable in aristocratic cases of succession.
On a lighter note, regarding Cormyr again

quote:
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Moreover, the Crown has a handful of agents of its own (the Highknights) to call on, to do the skulk-and-dagger stuff the Harpers often do. So I’d say they’re NOT often called upon, formally or otherwise, by Crown officials.


Having read the relevant article, while their loyalty and discretion wouldn't be in question, the qualities desired for a highknight don't really seem to be suited for skulk-and-dagger
Straight out investigation, with a little intimidation thrown in I can see but as described they really, really don't sound like plain-clothes kind of guys.
Which would lead me into asking what steps Alusair is taking to formulate an intelligence service (as mentioned in the same issue) if I wasn't certain that it would be crushed under the iron boot of an NDA.
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