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Dargoth
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  08:15:57  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message
I dont suppose anyone seen a Obarskyr family tree anywhere? I recall that there was one under the Cormyr entry in the old grey box set but from memmory it only went back 3-5 generations the Obarskyr family must go back at least 13 and probably even 20+ generations

and presuming they used the old an "Heir and spare" practice then there surely must be a large number of Obarskyr family members in other branches of the family. (Unless someones been going around and bumping off these less well known "royals"

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George Krashos
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  12:58:05  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message
Yeah, I have.

I'll let Garen Thal, the "Keeper of the Lineage", respond if he is of a mind to.

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Blueblade
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  15:07:40  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message
Hang on, Cormyr fans: there's Filfaeril, the reigning Queen, remember? As Dowager Queen she can rule in her own right, though if she remarried and had new kids, I doubt they'd be accepted by the realm as legitimate.
I recall Ed hinting at a GenCon seminar years ago, that there WERE legitimate Obarskyrs tucked away here and there (War Wizards? Highknights? in the Dales?) and that some of them might not even know their true heritage ( = best way of hiding them).
THO? Garen Thal?
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  16:23:03  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
The full Obarskyr family tree doesn't appear anywhere (not even in the fabled Royal Lineage of Cormyr, because the task is too daunting to even mount), though the later generations do indeed appear in the 1st Edition "Old Gray Box." Despite Alaphondar's reticence, there's probably a few legitimate Obarskyr heirs out there, but it's doubtful that they know it.

The need for "an heir and a spare" has come up far more than once over the course of Cormyr's history, and the long reigns of certain kings (such as Draxius) and the short reigns of others (like Andibler) have sheared away much of the "excess" royal blood over the centuries and blurred the expected picture we might have of kings ruling around 20 years each. That may be the average, but some reigns are far shorter, or far longer, and that means that it's not always sons--but sometimes brothers or nephews--that inherit the throne of Cormyr. Fate has a way of keeping things "neat" for the Obarskyrs, but that sometimes leads to a shortage of ready heirs.[For the record, Azoun V is the 36th generation of descent from Faerlthann First-King.]

Regarding Filfaeril: she may rule (that is, exercise the powers of the Crown, as she always did), but she may not reign (be considered Queen in her own right). Should Azoun V reach majority and declare that his grandmother is a crazy witch not to be heeded, she can't really do much of anything about it. She also could not pass her "royalty" on to any children, should the miracle of her conceiving a child past 60 ever happen. Filfaeril is not the "reigning Queen." She is the Dowager Queen, which means "once my husband reigned, but now one of his descendants does, but I may retain my title until another becomes queen." Azoun V reigns over Cormyr now, and Alusair Nacacia rules in his name (though Filfaeril is pretty firmly in charge).

Speaking of Alusair, all of this is why there is so much pressure on her to be married. Azoun is still young, and there is no telling what kind of man he will grow up to be. Alusair is approaching the end of child-bearing years, and it is vital that she be able to produce a member of the royal house before that occurs. Azoun needs at least one royal cousin (in the mode of Bhereu and Thomdor), as an aide, advisor, means of grounding himself, and as a backup heir.

I've probably said too much already, so I'll sit down and shut up now.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  18:07:27  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
What will Filfaeril's title be once a new queen is crowned?

Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  18:43:07  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ah, having asked Ed this myself, I can give a definitive answer: she will continue to be "Dowager Queen."
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  23:51:33  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Ed makes reply to kuje31 in the matter of spellfire during the divine reign of Mystryl:



Hi, kuje. There have always been humans (and possibly members of other magic-using races) whose Talent for the Art manifested in a way akin to sorcery, but rather than allowing them to cast spells (‘shaped’ force of the Weave, if you will, twisted and applied precisely by incantations to produce specific, predictable effects [i.e. spells]), instead resulted in their unleashing ‘raw’ Weave energy (spellfire). This preceded organized magic use, and thus all deities of magic, so there was certainly spellfire in the time of Mystryl.
What there wasn’t was much knowledge, even among wizards and sages specializing in magic, of its existence, or even a name for it. Most spellfire-wielders destroyed themselves spectacularly (or were slain by fearful folk using arrows or flung rocks or whatever) before achieving any sort of mastery or much understanding of their own powers, much less that OTHERS had (or had previously possessed) such abilities. So the ability existed, but was known to very, very few.



So saith Ed. Onward into the bright flames of future Realmslore! Blades out, all! GLORY!
love,
THO
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  00:00:18  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello again, fellow scribes!
Ed just added this comment:

Blueblade is correct: I DID hint that there were other Obarskyr heirs hidden away, ignorant of their true heritage.
Naughty, naughty me.
I'll have to have The Hooded One spank me for that, when next we meet. :}

Ahem. So saith Ed. I'll try to cajole him into saying more, okay?
love to all,
THO
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malchor7
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  01:01:22  Show Profile  Visit malchor7's Homepage Send malchor7 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

Speaking of Alusair, all of this is why there is so much pressure on her to be married. Azoun is still young, and there is no telling what kind of man he will grow up to be. Alusair is approaching the end of child-bearing years, and it is vital that she be able to produce a member of the royal house before that occurs. Azoun needs at least one royal cousin (in the mode of Bhereu and Thomdor), as an aide, advisor, means of grounding himself, and as a backup heir.



As I recall, a PC in one of my low-level FR campaigns took it upon himself to seduce and wed Alusair. It could've happened.

'Course, he was a dwarf with 8 charisma.

But it could've happened.

Speaking of which, would the mighty Ed be able to forecast any *ahem* romances in the Steel Regent's future. . . ones that might end in marriage, anyway?

And -- because the DM read it this way -- is there anything to the assertion that Alusair might be somewhat "open" when it comes to sexual expression? After all, she does spend a fair amount of time with Caladnei, and they'd make a cute couple.

m

Edited by - malchor7 on 20 Apr 2005 01:07:50
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HunterOfStorms
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  01:58:30  Show Profile  Visit HunterOfStorms's Homepage Send HunterOfStorms a Private Message
Firstly, a great thank you to Ed for providing the wonderful playground that is the Realms. A playground I've enjoyed for 18 odd years now. Further thanks to THO for serving as such a gracious and excellent conduit to the expanse of Ed's imagination. The nuggets of lore unearthed in this forum provide fascinating and valuable colour and texture to the grand tapestry of the Realms.

Secondly, an actual question for Ed. Trade between nations is clearly an important part of the viability of cities, and the Sea of Fallen Stars (and the associated Reaches etc) provides many of the trade highways, but something I've found to be a little frustrating is the lack of meteorological information for the, admittedly large, area. So, are there any siginificant prevailing wind and sea currents that govern travel on the Sea of Fallen Stars? If they exist, do they change seasonally? Could you, please, give a brief overview of them? More specifically, through the months of Marpenoth - Ches, how adverse are the conditions for sea travel between the east and the west (coasts of Thesk, Impiltur, the Vast, Sembia and finally to Cormyr)?

Ok, so I lied , there are a few questions and many more associated questions that could be asked, but I'm trying not to be too greedy.
Many thanks again for taking the time to add to the wellspring of Realmsian lore.

Hunter
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Zandilar
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  12:02:00  Show Profile  Visit Zandilar's Homepage Send Zandilar a Private Message
Heya,

quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

Speaking of Alusair, all of this is why there is so much pressure on her to be married. Azoun is still young, and there is no telling what kind of man he will grow up to be. Alusair is approaching the end of child-bearing years, and it is vital that she be able to produce a member of the royal house before that occurs. Azoun needs at least one royal cousin (in the mode of Bhereu and Thomdor), as an aide, advisor, means of grounding himself, and as a backup heir.



Question...
If Alusair got herself pregnant somehow, would she be required to marry? Since there'd be absolutely no doubt that the child was hers, and if she actually formally acknowledged her child, I doubt anyone could really question it - even if the father was unknown.

quote:
Originally posted by malchor7
And -- because the DM read it this way -- is there anything to the assertion that Alusair might be somewhat "open" when it comes to sexual expression? After all, she does spend a fair amount of time with Caladnei, and they'd make a cute couple.



That's exactly the direction my mind was going on that, given the acknowledged subtext in "When Shadows Come Seeking A Throne". Of course, it's probably just wishful thinking on my behalf that it would ever become "maintext" and written into Cannon (heck yes, I'm bitter!). I honestly don't see Wizards or Hasbro allowing such a prominant "queer" character in the Realms setting. And even if Alusair does prove to be a shaeda (bisexual), she'll end up in a heterosexual marriage (since it does take a man and a woman to procreate, at least without magical intervention (if that is even possible)) and her bisexuality will just go away or be forgotten and never mentioned again - since that's the way it goes with bisexual females in film and literature (*censors self on any further comment*).

Zandilar
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~audaces fortuna iuvat~

As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.

The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again.
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  15:05:48  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hunter of Storms, you’re welcome. I love doing this, and I know Ed does, too (though how the poor man manages it never ceases to amaze me, given the schedule he keeps). Replies to your queries must, of course, await his pleasure (I’ve passed them on already, and Ed’s responded with the words: “Groan. Deep In Taxes. Comfort Me, Please. Right Now Would Be Good.”)

so, yes, malchor7, Alusair IS “open” in terms of her sexual expression - - and boy, are you going to see that in the final story Ed’s put into the Best of Eddie collection, due out in mass market this July!

Zandilar, that “mention it discreetly once or twice, but no more” is more or less EXACTLY the editorial caution Ed received after er, springing the Caladnei/Alusair scene on WotC. He also received a stern commandment from another WotC staffer not to ever, ever portray Caladnei as either “wanton or ridiculous.”
We already know, of course, that Alusair is bisexual and (at least at this time in her life) VERY active sexually (and that she uses sex as an outlet for frustrations; see various scenes in DEATH OF THE DRAGON and ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER).
Now, as for what else she consciously uses sex for, again, see the Best of Eddie story. I know Ed would love to explore this character again (we Knights have chatted about what a rousing tale an Alusair, Narnra, Glarasteer, and perhaps Sharantyr ‘team-up’ novel could be).
But there’s this little Knights trilogy to get out of the way first . . .
love to all,
THO
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  17:18:21  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar
Question...
If Alusair got herself pregnant somehow, would she be required to marry? Since there'd be absolutely no doubt that the child was hers, and if she actually formally acknowledged her child, I doubt anyone could really question it - even if the father was unknown.
To my understanding (though I'm pretty sure I understand this fairly well), a "fatherless" child of Alusair would be a legitimate claimant to the throne, for precisely that reason: the child's royal blood is not in question. It would take public statements and proclamations royal to get the nobility to come to terms with the matter (because they need to complain about something, eh?), but there's both royal law (the child would be an "Obarskyr born and raised") and precendent to consider: this has happened once before, with the son of Gantharla First-Queen, called Roderin the Bastard for somewhat obvious reasons.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  17:54:04  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

(we Knights have chatted about what a rousing tale an Alusair, Narnra, Glarasteer, and perhaps Sharantyr ‘team-up’ novel could be).


That would be a great tale, indeed! Of course, I'm always in favor of seeing more of both Alusair and Glarasteer.

On a similar note, will we see more of any of these characters (other than Alusair, of course) in the Best of Eddie book?

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  17:58:47  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Ed concurs:


Any child birthed by Alusair would indeed be recognized as a legitimate monarch (over, yes, the inevitable objections of some self-serving nobles) if the parentage was "confirmed" by Caladnei (or Laspeera, if Caladnei doesn't publicly disagree) or by Alaphondar (if Caladnei and/or Laspeera don't publicly disagree) . . . and so on. Things could be tricksy if the various players at the time want them to, but Garen Thal has understood things just right. Also, everyone should remember the clone sample policy.

So saith Ed. And there you have it.
love to all,
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malchor7
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  18:14:32  Show Profile  Visit malchor7's Homepage Send malchor7 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

so, yes, malchor7, Alusair IS “open” in terms of her sexual expression - - and boy, are you going to see that in the final story Ed’s put into the Best of Eddie collection, due out in mass market this July!


Most excellent. I always knew there was more to her than met the eye. [Crack!]

Seriously, though, sexuality's a fascinating thing to explore in fantasy adventure, and something that isn't often addressed (beyond the "usual").

quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar

Of course, it's probably just wishful thinking on my behalf that it would ever become "maintext" and written into Cannon (heck yes, I'm bitter!). I honestly don't see Wizards or Hasbro allowing such a prominant "queer" character in the Realms setting.


This brings up another question. She's not a "prominent" character, I suppose, but the ex-adventurer, Lady Yanseldara (the current ruler of Elversult, according to the FRCS, entry on the Dragon Coast) is listed as having a "consort" who is also female (Vaerana, I believe, a fellow former adventurer). Could it be that a non-heterosexual character has ended up in canon, or am I reading too much into this?

Always a pleasure,

m

Edited by - malchor7 on 20 Apr 2005 18:17:56
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  18:31:00  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
No, malchor7, you haven't misread the Yanseldara situation at all. Some things slipped into the Realms got "caught" and changed in the editing, but not all.
Ed wants the Realms to be a richly detailed playground FOR ALL, without (as much as possible) alienating anyone.
love,
THO
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  18:55:41  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

No, malchor7, you haven't misread the Yanseldara situation at all. Some things slipped into the Realms got "caught" and changed in the editing, but not all.



So for every one thing that slips through, probably two or three that editors caught? I'd love to know the ratio. And for one time, I'm glad a WOTC editor missed something.
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crazedventurers
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  19:38:49  Show Profile  Visit crazedventurers's Homepage Send crazedventurers a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
so, yes, malchor7, Alusair IS “open” in terms of her sexual expression - - and boy, are you going to see that in the final story Ed’s put into the Best of Eddie collection, due out in mass market this July!



oops - erm whats this then? - must have slipped by me whilst I was asleep

is there a link to a product page please?

cheers

Damian
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The Hooded One
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I'm not sure if there's a product page yet, Damian, but there's a thread for this book in the Novels section here (Best of the Realms II: The Stories of Ed Greenwood, which is the correct title of the book), and I've posted the ISBN and other details there.
love,
THO
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 20 Apr 2005 :  20:05:15  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

I'm not sure if there's a product page yet, Damian, but there's a thread for this book in the Novels section here (Best of the Realms II: The Stories of Ed Greenwood, which is the correct title of the book), and I've posted the ISBN and other details there.
love,
THO
The product page for Best of Eddie (such as it is) appears here.
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quote:
Originally posted by malchor7
This brings up another question. She's not a "prominent" character, I suppose, but the ex-adventurer, Lady Yanseldara (the current ruler of Elversult, according to the FRCS, entry on the Dragon Coast) is listed as having a "consort" who is also female (Vaerana, I believe, a fellow former adventurer). Could it be that a non-heterosexual character has ended up in canon, or am I reading too much into this?

Always a pleasure,

m



If you read some of Ed's NPC's, namely in Volo's Guide to Waterdeep, its clear that some of them are bi. :) But we also had this discussion with Ed last year and his replies can be found in the 04 thread....

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Wooly Rupert
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In Spellfire, it was stated that outside Elminster's tower, Lhaeo was thought to be a "lisping man-lover from Baldur's Gate." I don't know if that's one that slipped by, or if it's one that was judged safe enough to let pass.

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Jindael
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

In Spellfire, it was stated that outside Elminster's tower, Lhaeo was thought to be a "lisping man-lover from Baldur's Gate." I don't know if that's one that slipped by, or if it's one that was judged safe enough to let pass.



I was wondering about that. Not that it slipped by, but did most people assume that Lhaeo and Elminster were lovers?

EDIT: Most people in the Realms, that is.

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Edited by - Jindael on 20 Apr 2005 23:33:40
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malchor7
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quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

I'm not sure if there's a product page yet, Damian, but there's a thread for this book in the Novels section here (Best of the Realms II: The Stories of Ed Greenwood, which is the correct title of the book), and I've posted the ISBN and other details there.
love,
THO
The product page for Best of Eddie (such as it is) appears here.



It has nothing to do with the revered Ed, but does anyone know where to find product pages for the other novels Wizards is releasing this year? Maiden of Pain, for instance, or the other ones by new authors?

Thanks for the info about Yanseldara and Vaerana. My PCs are going to be in for some surprises next time they head that way.

m
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