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Phoebus
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Posted - 25 Feb 2005 :  18:11:56  Show Profile  Visit Phoebus's Homepage  Send Phoebus a Yahoo! Message Send Phoebus a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Jerryd
People who succeed despite not making sense or making the wrong decisions - despite their human foibles as you put it - do so only through blind dumb luck, and luck (being the fickle lady she is) only goes so far or lasts so long — people (or institutions) who habitually don't make sense and/or make the wrong decisions are virtually guaranteed to fail in anything more than the short term.

Hey Jerry,

Well, you're right about the "agree to disagree" thing where real life is concerned. Insofar as the Realms, the War Wizards, and Vangey are concerned... I guess the way I look at it is that it's not so much luck as it is magic, and all the things one can accomplish with it, despite his own "human foibles."

Cheers,
Phoebus
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Phoebus
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Posted - 25 Feb 2005 :  20:31:10  Show Profile  Visit Phoebus's Homepage  Send Phoebus a Yahoo! Message Send Phoebus a Private Message
Hooded One & Ed,

Please ignore the Cormanthyr question. I've been plagued by that "on the tip of my tongue" feeling for the past 24 hours, and finally remembered that it had been asked (and answered) half a year ago and two thirds of an Asia away. How embarassing!
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 26 Feb 2005 :  02:02:53  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, fellow scribes. Time for another omnibus of swift replies and comments from Ed (in no particular order):


Ty, you’re quite welcome! Let me know what happens. I promise more recipes in the future, somewhere, with rather clearer “real-world equivalent” instructions.

Gerath Hoan, I LOVE Lost Empires of Faerun. Too short, of course, but . . . :}
Much of the book is based on, or was “developed” (in WotC parlance) in light of many the tidbits of ‘ancient times’ lore I’ve let drop over the years (hallowed scribes like Eric Boyd and George Krashos collect these, discuss them, come to understand them, and can therefore ride forth to apply them whenever necessary). The magelord presented in LEoF is based on the Magelords I created for Athalantar (seen previously in ELMINSTER: THE MAKING OF A MAGE and in “The Athalantan Campaign” DRAGON article; you’ll get another glimpse of one in the forthcoming ‘Best of Eddie’ collection). A good half of the monsters detailed therein were originally my creations, years ago, and so on. So yes, I provided a lot of lore for the authors, but I did so over the years before LEoF was written, not as direct part of its creation.
In my opinion, a character could certainly be a magelord and a Harper. In fact, the rather piratical illustration of the magelord (striped pantaloons and all) aptly captures the ‘young embittered Harper with attitude’ elements of Those Who Harp.

Sarkile, there are no silly or inappropriate questions, just silly or inappropriate answers. Shadowdale and Mistledale are “crossroads” dales, traversed often by caravans. Their folk are used to seeing and dealing with a lot of “different” people. Therefore, overt racism or “nationalism” is very rare; their reactions will depend on the character’s actions and words, whether the character is just passing through or settling, and the company the character keeps (squat on someone’s farm illegally and have plenty of monstrous visitors and you’ll be treated with suspicion at best; rent a room and mingle with folk without displaying attitude and you’ll be accepted but always watched with benign curiosity because you’re “from away” ratther than born and bred in that particular dale). The more like a “devil” or other creature of nightmarish tavern-tales you look like, the less positive folks’ initial reactions will be, of course.

Wooly Rupert, re: “When two greater doppelgangers are in their assumed identities, can they each tell that the other is a doppelganger?”
I’d say no, although please always remember that I’m not an official rules answerer. However, in my Realms campaign, I’d say not. If a doppleganger WANTS to signal their true nature to ‘other dopplegangers only,’ there are ways of doing it subtly, that probably wouldn’t be noticed by someone who’s not watching for them and isn’t very near and looking closely: by making the pupils of the eyes ‘swim’ for a moment, or small areas of skin ‘ripple’ like waves.



So saith Ed. More “quickies” (ahem, no comments, boys) from Ed tomorrow.
love to all,
THO
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zeathiel
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Posted - 26 Feb 2005 :  07:18:47  Show Profile  Visit zeathiel's Homepage Send zeathiel a Private Message
A question for Ed,

Regarding the malaugrym...

How does one go about assigning names? And are there genders amoung the species? Or are they all considered uni-sex (whichever gender is convienient at the moment)?


My thanks
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rjs465
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Posted - 26 Feb 2005 :  18:18:21  Show Profile  Visit rjs465's Homepage  Send rjs465 a Yahoo! Message Send rjs465 a Private Message
What ever happend to Castlemorn?
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 26 Feb 2005 :  23:12:57  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by rjs465

What ever happend to Castlemorn?



I found this article which contains some news on the tome.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 26 Feb 2005 :  23:15:31  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message
Zeathiel: I have no idea how the malaugrym are named (actually, that brings me to a question: how do you [meaning Ed] come up with Realms names? It always drives me nuts whenever I'm trying to come up with authentic-sounding NPC names), however, I do have a little info on their genders.

According to what I remember of Cloak of Shadows (btw, if you haven't read the Shadows of the Avatar trilogy, I heartily reccomend it. Not only is it perhaps the best Realms fiction ever written, it deals heavily with the malaugrym), the malaugrym were once humans who ended up in the Plane of Shadow. Over the centuries it has changed them and they have learned to manipulate it. So, while they can shapeshift at will, they retain human genders. Though I'm sure they could change gender if they wished (and some do for disguises), I got the feeling that when relaxing they defaulted to their original gender.

Finally, a question that may have been answered. Was the head of the Magelords (the guy who gets cooked at the very end of Elminster; Making of a Mage) Malaug? He was obviously a shapeshifter, and the malaugrym keep going on about Elminster killing the first of them. So, was he him?

Thanks, and I hope this helped Zeathiel.

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 27 Feb 2005 :  01:58:34  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Ed’s swift’n’short replies continue:



kuje31, thanks for your love and your devouring. It’s what keeps me going (I’m being honest here, not flippant). And yes, I think the most valuable lore I can provide here (aside from swift, timely answers for individual campaign needs) is the stuff that for whatever reason doesn’t “fit” official publication needs, and so probably won’t ever find its way into print.
And, yes, groupies are nice. They keep my head turning, Elaine winking, my toenails growing inward - - all of that. ;}
Are your NPCs posted or assembled here at Candlekeep? THO gave me your website link in your message, but Excel files don’t work for me (primitive Net connection). I’d be quite happy to supply ‘soft’ (as opposed to ‘crunch’) lore on the NPCs, yes, if I can see what you’ve already assembled. Dessra is well on the way; expect her ahem, details in about a week.
As for Arbristae, I probably didn’t provide enough detail in my post to make things clear. Embra in the Aglirta books was being coldbloodedly readied for a long, complicated ritual that would bind her sentience into the stones of a fortress, as a ‘slave force’ obedient to the wizards involved. Arbristae was killed by a suitor she spurned, who used magic both to kill her (in his rage) and then make her body “disappear” (he converted it to liquid that he stirred into the water standing ready in all of the mortar-mixing cauldrons). Embra’s fate would have been premeditated and sophisticated, whereas Abristae’s was unplanned, swift, violent, and had unintended consequences.


Athenon, Silverymoon’s mythal is detailed in SILVER MARCHES, and it doesn’t affect ALL evil creatures with an Antipathy effect. It only visits that effect on evilly-aligned demons, devils, dragons, drow, duergar, giants, goblinoids, illithids, orcs, and trolls.
So everybody else (including, yes, humans!) can be evil and can enter, depart, and function normally in the city (a sample evil resident NPC is even given in SILVER MARCHES).
I hope to provide much more detail on Silverymoon, a favourite city of mine, in time to come. In the meantime, there should still be a two-part “My Slice of Silverymoon” article I did on the WotC website, somewhere.


Skeptic, the current status of Zhentil Keep is: whatever you want it to be in your campaign. In the “official” Realms, it’s been rebuilt (to match almost precisely all locations of former buildings and streets, so my old FR ADVENTURES map can be used) under the firm control of the Fzoul-led Zhentarim, and is wealthier and more influential - - as the Zhents tighten their hold over more and more of the Moonsea area - - than ever before. At the same time: the sewers work, there are no longer any press-gangs forcibly “recruiting” folk in the streets, those streets are clean and orderly, and trade (and the visitors who bring it) are coming, in increasing numbers. The city itself IS a ‘police state,’ with spies everywhere and chances for most sorts of adventuring very slender. The law is ruthless, very fair (except when it suits the Zhentarim to apply unfair enforcement or sentencings), prosperity is widespread, and the place is full of “craven schemers” who want to get rich by doing just as the Network wants them to: acting as servile entrepreneurs who are eager to (in terms of trade) colonize and dominate the Dales, Cormyr, Westgate, and especially wealthy Sembia. The Zhentarim encourage this, because it extends their influence without them having to do any of the leg-work; once Zhentish merchants are everywhere, they can clamp down and begin to squeeze taxes out of them while at the same time making them spies and dagger-agents abroad.
The Red Wizards of Thay, the independent merchants of Sembia, and the Royal Court of Cormyr (just to name three interested parties) have other ideas, of course.



So saith Ed. Who promises a longer reply tomorrow, this one to Phoebus in case his chances to Net-connect become more difficult (yes, Ed’s keeping track of, and working on, all of the older replies too!).
love to all,
THO
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Kuje
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Posted - 27 Feb 2005 :  03:27:38  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message
Nay,

I didn't have a list posted on candlekeep because the lists are to long. So far from the sourcebooks I've done there are over 1,500 fighters alone. :) That doesn't include the 1,000 wizards or the 800+ clerics. :)

I was just allowing Ed to give some details on NPC's he likes instead of answering all of our questions all the time. So he could pick and choose which NPC's he wanted to supply info on. :)

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Alaundo
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Posted - 27 Feb 2005 :  09:40:55  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31

Nay,

I didn't have a list posted on candlekeep because the lists are to long. So far from the sourcebooks I've done there are over 1,500 fighters alone. :) That doesn't include the 1,000 wizards or the 800+ clerics. :)

I was just allowing Ed to give some details on NPC's he likes instead of answering all of our questions all the time. So he could pick and choose which NPC's he wanted to supply info on. :)



Well met

Oh the halls are plenty big enough, kuje If ye wish to use Candlekeep for this splendid project then i'd be more than happy to lend a helping hand

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Skeptic
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Thanks for the answer on Zhentil Keep, the Moonsea region is one of my favorite in the realms, and I have run many campaigns there. Can I hope to see something official on the region before many years ? Maybe not a official regional product, but at least something on the Wotc web site? ;)

The official 2E product is clearly out of date and the status of different sites (not just Zhentil keep) really need an update...

Any quick info on Phlan, Melvaunt, etc.. or the ruins of Yûlash/Hulburg/Suslaspryn would be welcome of course...
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 :  14:50:46  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Ed makes reply to Phoebus:


Phoebus, well met again, and thank you for your eloquent posts. Let me try some answers:

OLD EMPIRES was ably written by Scott Bennie, who has since updated it ‘for free’ on the Net (scribes, please help me with where it can now be found). I had nothing directly to do with the writing of that product, although my sketchy lore-notes were provided, and of course all the place-names and geography of Chessenta, Unther, and Mulhorand (plus their general overall character and relationships to each other) were part of my original (pre-publication) Realms. You’re quite right: given my druthers, I’d never have put elements so recognizably “real-world historical” into the Realms, but their inclusion was inevitable given TSR’s plans for the Realms to be the “home” of 2nd Edition AD&D: it had to embrace Arabian Adventures (the working title for Al-Qadim), Oriental Adventures, Sea Adventures, Arctic Adventures, Lost World/Livingstone/Indiana Jones (Chult), Conquering the New World (Maztica), and so on. I think Scott did a superb job, and my only regret is that we’ve never examined Chessenta’s city-states in proper detail and depth: it could have been an absolutely fascinating, maximum-freedom-to-plug-in-commerical-modules setting for Realms-based campaigns.

The DMG pay rates for mercenaries are just fine for work in Chessenta, and there’s lots of it: everybody important has bodyguards, sometimes to make a show (or exaggeration) of their own importance). So the PCs should have no trouble getting work as bodyguards, envoy-escorts (or wagon-escorts, if they’d like), spies and scouts (spies try to hide, scouts look around quite openly), and even personal champions. Widespread war is less liekly, because the region is beginning to weary of it.
In this region it’s customary to provide lodging (tents when ‘in the field’), livery (including armor and shields, if you want your underlings to wear “matching harness”), and basic food (with water and fruit juices, but no alcohol) to your hireswords IN ADDITION TO their base pay. By the way, the Heralds of Faerûn can and do act as ‘bankers’ for hireswords who’ve nowhere secure to stash their pay - - and EVERYONE will leap to defend a Herald facing robbery or violence, as a result.

As for elves returning to Cormanthyr, in addition to what I said to you back on Page 11 (I think) of the 2004 thread: aside from the adventurer-types I mentioned then, you’d also see a mixed bag of other elves: younglings coming for the adventure and to “see all the magnificence and long-lost secrets they’ve heard so much about,” and veterans grimly wanting to reclaim “what was lost” (and sometimes to specifically find particular buildings, tombs or spots where loved ones died, particular lost personal or family or valued magical items, and so on).
Yes, they’d come well-armed; they know from the elves who for so many years cordoned off the ruins of Myth Drannor just how dangerous conditions they’ll find, and they’re well aware of the “gold rush” currently going on, with drow (and worse!) also journeying to and through the ruins.
So they’d be well-armed (with magic and healing potions, not just physical weaponry), experienced-at-fighting-on-the-ground-together groups of a dozen or more. Primarily moon elves, but the “gold rush” aspect means a DM could include just about any mix of sub-races and classes. Most such groups move stealthily, sometimes with permanent fly spells on themselves so they don’t have to “touch boot down” if they don’t want to, spread out in a loose oval and keeping to cover, with missile weapons and spells ready to provide ‘covering fire’ if foes are encountered. Even when battle is joined, they keep as quiet as possible (no ringing war-cries). They do carry signal horns, but prefer to communicate with imitated verbal beast-calls.
Those who do try to settle anywhere in the region will establish constant patrols, both the ‘wide’ patrols I mentioned last year (about 20 miles out, once the settlement gets established) and close-in, varying routes and strengths, and magically farscrying the patrols from time to time. The intent is to know whenever large, numerous, or especially dangerous monsters are near, human incursions of all sorts, potential foes, anyone snooping with magic - - the phrase “We don’t want any surprises” might be their most apt motto!

As for Vangey, I try never to model Realms characters on real-world folk, living or dead, though of course tiny bits and pieces of what I’ve observed of real people is what drives my imagination when creating any fictional character. So Vangerdahast truly isn’t directly patterned on any one real-world personality. As you say, he represents an all-too-common personality type. I was frankly astonished that Jerryd hadn’t run into many such; I was expecting him to react rather as you have, based on an experience of having met, heard of, or worked with too many micro-manager/buddy-buddy personae.
And you’ve hit this right on the head: “Vangey, though, couldn't afford a covenant of advisors and critics in re-structuring the WW. He felt that most everyone else in the court had their own interests closest to heart (NOT Cormyr's), and that the WW themselves couldn't necessarily be trusted. And thus, he developed things as he did.” Bingo.
And thank you for this: “If nothing else, the last couple of pages have made "Vangey" make more sense as a character than he has to me in a long, long time.”
When answering Jerryd, I became increasingly conscious of how little of the real Vangerdahast I’d managed to really get down on paper and out into the hands of Realms fans, down the years. So I don’t blame Jerryd or anyone else for not really understanding my view of him, because until now I hadn’t properly shared it.



So saith Ed. Who’s hard at work (as always!) on crafting more Realmslore for us all.
love,
THO
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 :  15:59:06  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message
Ed, Hooded Lady, and all:

The Old Empires update by Scott Bennie is available on a site known as Empire of Sand (at http://www.hallofhero.com/sand/), from the front page. The site boasts:
quote:
FR10 Old Empires In D20 System by Scott Bennie
As a public service to Forgotten Realms fans everywhere, this page plays host to Scott Bennie's .pdf file full of Old Empires goodies. To view this storehouse of wonders, click here--it takes a while to load, though, and that's putting it mildly. To view a more printer-friendly version, click here. To download either of these versions, right-click on the link and select Save Link As. And finally, to tell Scott how wonderful all his cool stuff is, click here.
For all those looking, please: enjoy!
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Evro
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Hello Ed and THO,

I'm wondering if you might be willing to offer any information on Mythkar Leng and Lord Geildarr of Llorkh before they came to the Greyvale. Perhaps Felishar(the leader of Orlbar) as well? I've never seen any background on these guys from before the time that Geildarr moved into Llorkh with his Purple Cloaks.

Thanks so much!
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quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

Ed, Hooded Lady, and all:

The Old Empires update by Scott Bennie is available on a site known as Empire of Sand (at http://www.hallofhero.com/sand/), from the front page. The site boasts:
quote:
FR10 Old Empires In D20 System by Scott Bennie
As a public service to Forgotten Realms fans everywhere, this page plays host to Scott Bennie's .pdf file full of Old Empires goodies. To view this storehouse of wonders, click here--it takes a while to load, though, and that's putting it mildly. To view a more printer-friendly version, click here. To download either of these versions, right-click on the link and select Save Link As. And finally, to tell Scott how wonderful all his cool stuff is, click here.
For all those looking, please: enjoy!




Garen, thank you for sharing that with us.

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Murray Leeder
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quote:
Originally posted by Evro

Hello Ed and THO,

I'm wondering if you might be willing to offer any information on Mythkar Leng and Lord Geildarr of Llorkh before they came to the Greyvale. Perhaps Felishar(the leader of Orlbar) as well? I've never seen any background on these guys from before the time that Geildarr moved into Llorkh with his Purple Cloaks.

Thanks so much!



As a point of interest, both Geildarr and Leng figure prominently in my novel Son of Thunder, out next January.
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Hoondatha
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Thanks Murray! Now we know who to point fingers at when Ed says an NDA has reared its ugly head! :)

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 01 Mar 2005 :  03:13:25  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Ed makes reply to Dargoth (and simontrinity, too):



NDAs and of course the activities of others that lie behind them inhibit me in speaking overmuch about the Harpers, but I CAN say this much: the Harpers (what Dargoth refers to as the “Official Harpers”) have never officially split, but have always varied in their approaches, with the Twilight Hall folk being most regimented, and Elminster (and before the split, Khelben) being the most ‘I do my own thing, regardless,’ whereas Storm is the kindly ‘den mother’ who welcomes all, works with all, and mediates with all.
The Moonstars are a small, secretive group, and among their lower ranks are some Harpers that most of the REST of the Harpers believe to be still ‘just Harpers.’ They’re NOT ‘based out of’ Blackstaff Tower and never have been; Khelben and Laeral find things quite busy and crowded enough there with all of their apprentices. The Lord and Lady Mage of Waterdeep do frequently meet various ‘go-between’ Moonstars at various locales in and around Waterdeep and at the far end of handy portals (particular gardens, houses, and rented back rooms in Ardeepforest, Silverymoon, Secomber, and even Scornubel and Berdusk are frequent meeting-spots), and ‘run’ the Moonstars in this way. Elminster remains friendly but quasi-independent of them (and of Twilight Hall) as he has always been. As Dargoth surmised, neither he nor Storm believe a rift had to occur between Khelben and Twilight Hall, but both El and Storm are mature enough that they simply accept that the rift happened, and try to continue to get along with, and work with, every Harper (and Moonstar) regardless.
Storm and Elminster (like Khelben and Laeral and certain others) have always been ranked at the top of the hierarchy that only Lady Cylyria and her Twilight Hall cronies ever really cared about anyway: their senior, quasi-independent role has always been recognized, so (aside from Khelben and Laeral), nothing need have changed between Storm and El in Shadowdale and the Harpers based in Twilight Hall. Storm’s farm has always functioned as a rest, healing, and hiding place for all Harpers, a training-ground for certain junior Harpers sent to her, and a storage cache and rallying-point (a “sub-base,” if you will) and it continues to do so. To call it a base set up in opposition or rivalry to Berdusk is too strong, and misrepresents the situation. (I feel as if I’m straying into the same territory I’ve been arguing over with Jerryd, here. Remember my original words when describing the Harpers: “Think Sierra Club. Think the 1960s. Think: we’re all part of same movement, man, but we all do our own thing.” DON’T think ranks, hierarchies, discipline. It - - and the badges/pins, too - - are there, all right, but they only MATTER in Twilight Hall.)
So, yes, the ranks of the Harpers are (a bit) split by personality and therefore approach (just as they always have been, both before and after the Moonstars schism), but not at all by geography.
To answer Dargoth’s specific treatment questions:
“Would a Moonstar who turned up outside Twilight Hall be driven off?”
Probably not. Watched and treated with suspicion, perhaps even spoken to sharply and prevented from entering certain places in Twilight Hall, yes. Probably brought into a meeting with Lady Cylyria or one of her circle, yes. Imprisoned or offered violence? Not unless they acted with violence first.
“Would a Twilight Hall Harper be welcome at Storm’s farm in Shadowdale?”
Of course. Unreservedly. Storm welcomes Harpers all the time. Sometimes she even puts on clothes first.
“Would a Twilight hall Harper be turned into a toad if he turned up outside Blackstaff Tower in Waterdeep?”
Nope. Of course not. If he tried to break into the Tower and did the wrong things to the duty apprentice and whomever the duty apprentice called upon for aid, quite possibly yes - - but not for being a Harper of any sort. His treatment would depend entirely on his actions, and merely “turning up outside Blackstaff Tower” is about the same as saying “walk the streets of Waterdeep.” And thousands of folk do that every day without so much as attracting Khelben’s attention.
I hope this has been of some help. I don’t want to say much more because of some projects under way that I’m aware of.



So saith Ed. And there you have it.
Oh, and a quick additional note to Dargoth: no, Ed’s Witch-Lords reference WASN’T to Bob’s forthcoming novel, but rather to something else that must remain secret for now. I could tease just a little bit and say you’d be surprised at who IS connected to it - - but no, I won’t do that to you.
love to all,
THO
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RevJest
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

Hello, all. Ed makes reply to Dargoth (and simontrinity, too):
NDAs and of course the activities of others that lie behind them inhibit me in speaking overmuch about the Harpers, but I CAN say this much: the Harpers (what Dargoth refers to as the “Official Harpers”) have never officially split, but have always varied in their approaches, with the Twilight Hall folk being most regimented, and Elminster (and before the split, Khelben) being the most ‘I do my own thing, regardless,’ whereas Storm is the kindly ‘den mother’ who welcomes all, works with all, and mediates with all.



Ed, let me see if I'm understanding what I think I'm understanding.

As far as Twilight Hall is concerned, the Moonstars aren't Harpers.

As far as El and Storm are concerned, a rose by any other name still knows how to play a harp? :)

- S

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The Hooded One
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Posted - 02 Mar 2005 :  02:01:58  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Ed speaks thus to simontrinity:

Yes, simontrinity, you’ve got it. Perfectly.


Ed also makes reply to FoolishOwl’s philosophy questions:



Leaving aside lands outside Faerûn proper (i.e. Kara-Tur, the Al-Qadim regions, and Maztica), almost all philosophical traditions among humans are of two sorts: sages writing chapbooks and treatises (and every other ambitious merchant and malcontent crafter penning political polemic chapbooks and handbills), and formal, reasoned debate and written records of same - - this second sort of tradition being almost entirely fostered by, maintained within, and therefore coloured by, various churches. This means that very few philosophical traditions are useful to persons not of that faith (everything else is so slanted and circumscribed). The useful traditions are maintained by the churches of Oghma, Deneir, Milil, Mystra, and to a lesser extent Lathander, Chauntea, and Waukeen. The faiths of Silvanus, Eldath, Helm, Torm, Sêlune, and Tymora have interesting but verbal-only debating and philosophical traditions.
Most of the other intelligent races of Faerûn have philosophies dominated by the “our race is best, we shall overcome” viewpoint, with the most sophisticated debates taking place within the ranks of elves (of course), halflings, gnomes, illithids, and the Malaugrym.
The big philosophical debates of the day are twofold: the long-running, perennial “which god is truly the most powerful, and therefore what ultimate fate awaits Toril, and therefore which creed is ‘most correct,’ and therefore what should we all do?” and the newer “inheritance has been the root of rulership and land ownership for time out of mind, but we see increasingly corrupt and inept kings, nobles, and clan-chiefs; there are obviously alternatives, but are any of these better?”



So saith Ed. Mmm-hmmm. I recall the philosophical problem Ed handed us once in Shadowdale: if a shapeshifter wearing the shape of Person X married a shapeshifter wearing the shape of Person Y, and the first shapeshifter had earlier murdered Person X, while his victim, the second shapeshifter, had earlier murdered Person Y, and both families (not knowing this) celebrated and anointed the wedding, only to discover what had happened MUCH later, should the wedding ‘stand’ as legal, joining the two families (and considering the fact that the two murdered persons had been in love and in the final stages of preparing for their wedding, with the approval of both families)?
I also recall the hilarious scene we Knights witnessed in a tavern in Waterdeep, where two sages were debating whether intent made an action evil, or the results of the action could be considered empirically evil. A brawl broke out, and these two old man heatedly finger-wagged at each other and ignored the mayhem (whilst men punched each other out, hurled chairs, swung broken flagons as weapons, and bled messily all over them) - - even when they both started to get hit and thrown around. “Yes, I KNOW he just slugged me, but let us assume for the sake of argument that I was NOT, in truth, his intended target . . .”

love to all,
THO
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Posted - 02 Mar 2005 :  20:53:41  Show Profile  Visit Phoebus's Homepage  Send Phoebus a Yahoo! Message Send Phoebus a Private Message
Hooded One & Ed,

Greetings again and many thanks for the prompt answers.
...Of course, my unappreciative players send only their scorn... Typical, I suppose, of mercenaries whose hopes for outrageous wages have been recently dashed.

Which actually brings up one more question. Mercenary contracts: generally speaking I imagine a mercenary gets paid only as long as he fights, so the idea of binding contracts seems a bit unnecessary where private sellswords are concerned, right? But what about a large, standing company of mercenaries serving a city? Would their captain (general, or whatever title he's given himself) be adverse to hiring people on the short term? Because of the long-term services he offers to a long-term patron (in this case a city state), would short-term enlistments be frowned on? I've obviously got some ideas on the matter (we all do in this group, having dealt with long-term enlistments and short-term deployments or assignments at one time or another...), but I'd like to see if you had anything culturally-specific for that corner of the Realms...

By the way, feel free to answer this in whatever order it came in. I have plenty of months left here, and I'm sure I'll get opportunities to check for responses. It's the amount of minutes at a time that's at a premium, after all... Not so much the amount of times you get to connect.

Cheers,
Phoebus
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 :  00:33:32  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message
Hello, all. Ed makes reply to Kentinal in the matter of those manor houses (for example, around Everlund):



Yes, Kentinal, you’ve got it: many of them are retreats for the wealthy (not always just for summer, but indeed the least hardy owners would vacate during the cold months). And yes, quite a few of them could be owned by drow, Zhents, Red Wizards, and other ‘unsavouries,’ often using portals or teleport spells or disguises to arrive and depart, and hired agents as house staff, builders, and guards. And yes, of course they can be (and in quite a few cases are) used as bases for various criminal activities (including detaining kidnapped victims to be sold into slavery or ransomed). For that reason, ownership is often concealed, and as a DM I wouldn’t want to provide you or anyone with any definitive list of who owns which house, where. ;}
Around Everlund, these manor houses tend to be about a quarter mile apart (with grounds enclosed by hedges or stone walls or fences), and as one moves farther out from “Everlund proper,” the houses become half a mile apart, then about a mile apart, and then about a mile and a half apart (and thereafter they peter out).


So saith Ed. Who’s busy busy busy writing must-remain-mysterious-for-now Realms fiction as I post this.
love to all,
THO
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Alaundo
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 :  08:22:06  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message
Well met

I found this scroll lying around, it's penned by MrH and was address to Ed..

quote:
Originally posted by MrH
Mr. Greenwood,
Thanks for all of your work (both novels and rpg material). I am thoroughly enjoying all of it. I do have a question concerning one of my favorite characters -

Why did we decide to kill Shandril Shessair in "Hand of Fire"? I really thought it was a rotten ending for both Shandril as well as Narm (realizing of course that this is an extremely biased opinion). She didn't seem the suicidal type. Couldn't Mystra bring her back somehow? Thanks for any response.

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 :  18:35:35  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by simontrinity
Ed, let me see if I'm understanding what I think I'm understanding.

As far as Twilight Hall is concerned, the Moonstars aren't Harpers.

As far as El and Storm are concerned, a rose by any other name still knows how to play a harp? :)
- S



As far as the upper echelons of Twilight Hall is concerned, they are not Harpers. To most Harpers (especially those with whom those concerned have had personal relationships and experience), they're still on their side and it's a Type A-pissing match between Khelben and others who don't like his high-and-mighty style.

In other words,
Twilight Hall Harpers are the People's Front of Judea.
The Tel'Teukiira are the Judean People's Front.


Steven
Who apologizes for causing so much confusion and trouble among the toys in Ed's toybox....

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Gareth Yaztromo
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Posted - 03 Mar 2005 :  23:55:50  Show Profile  Visit Gareth Yaztromo's Homepage Send Gareth Yaztromo a Private Message
Hey Ed, I'm going to ask some "fledgling questions" as I am still new to Forgotten Realms (reading novels others have read years ago). Anyway some questions on your characters. Who's the better swordsman: Salvatore's Drizzt or Durnan? Joking. I was wondering about Magisters - is a Chosen a Magister? What is the distinct difference (this question has probably been asked before)? Will you ever release annotated versions of your novels (I think I've already asked about omnibus versions some time ago - and the answer was fairly much it is on the whim of Wizards)? And (this is really a noob question) is the deities Torm and Helm the mortals Torm
(thief) and Helm (king from Making of a Mage) from your other books? That's enough qs for now. :)

"Gereth Yaztromo is arguably the most famous wizard of Allansia due to his part in a number of the most well known sagas of that region from the third century AC. He is also known as one of the three Star Pupils of the Grand Wizard of Yore.."
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