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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 20 Dec 2004 :  14:35:08  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the write-in vote, Miraculixx.

Also not on the list was The Floodgate, the middle novel of the Counselors & Kings trilogy.

This thread raises some good questions. The trilogy is a common format, but it's tough to provide satisfying resolution at the end of each book while building toward the final conflict. I've been giving that considerable thought of late, and will be interested to hear readers' comments.
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VEDSICA
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Posted - 20 Dec 2004 :  21:55:24  Show Profile  Visit VEDSICA's Homepage Send VEDSICA a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elaine do you necessarily have to have a satisfying resolution at the end of the first two novels???I don't think that you really have to.If the trilogy is well written.Has a great storyline.Interesting characters.I think that you can leave the masses,shall I say "hanging",until the final conflict.With no resolution at all. Maybe me saying that.It can make the first two novels of a trilogy kind of boring.I'm not sure to tell the truth.Hopefully the story is interesting enough that the readers will hang in there until the end.

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 20 Dec 2004 :  22:21:23  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's an interesting balance. You need to have big questions that are only answered in the grand finale, so there's one sense in which "satisfying resolutions" are actually precluded earlier on. But on the other hand, readers absolutely must feel that the story is progressing. That some of the characters are actually accomplishing something. If you slog all the way through the book only to come away with the feeling that the writer's just marking time until the moment comes to knock over all the dominos in Book 3 (or, in the case of some long-running sagas, Book 12 or maybe 371), that's infuratiating.
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 21 Dec 2004 :  03:26:54  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm inclined to think there needs to be a complete story in each book of a trilogy. Beginning, middle, end--all that.

One way of looking at it is to consider the entire trilogy one story, which progresses over the course of three books. Each book has one or more subplots, at least one of which will be resolved at the end of that book.
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Blueblade
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Posted - 22 Dec 2004 :  19:32:09  Show Profile  Visit Blueblade's Homepage Send Blueblade a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I voted for CROWN OF FIRE for just that reason. It might not be anywhere near the best fantasy novel I've ever read, but more than any of the others on this poll, I thought it told a story "by itself." YMMV, of course.
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Zelg of Cyric
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Posted - 18 Jan 2005 :  09:03:54  Show Profile  Visit Zelg of Cyric's Homepage Send Zelg of Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
TANGELED WEBS!! NO QUESTION IN MY MIND

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Decomp
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 :  02:38:23  Show Profile  Visit Decomp's Homepage  Send Decomp an AOL message  Click to see Decomp's MSN Messenger address Send Decomp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My choice, although not on this list would be from my favorite trilogy "The Crimson Shadow"! "Luthiens Gamble", a fantastic novel filled with rich atmosphere and one of my favorite characters of all time...Oliver de burrows! I have recently lost the trilogy and am currently in the process of finding it again!

But from the list....Wyvern's spur by far!

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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 :  10:08:42  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Decomp

My choice, although not on this list would be from my favorite trilogy "The Crimson Shadow"! "Luthiens Gamble", a fantastic novel filled with rich atmosphere and one of my favorite characters of all time...Oliver de burrows! I have recently lost the trilogy and am currently in the process of finding it again!

But from the list....Wyvern's spur by far!



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ericlboyd
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 :  15:55:42  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the reason "The Wyvern's Spur" was so successful as a middle novel is that it dodged the "resolve a substory, but not the overall story" charge in a clever way. The novel felt like an "aside," rather the "middle" if that makes sense. Another way to put it might be as follows: If you didn't read "The Wyvern's Spur", you could just read Book 1 and Book 3 and, with one sentence of explanation ("Giogi went home and had a little adventure with Olive and a duplicate of Alias named Cat.") not realize you'd missed anything. Likewise, if you just read "The Wyvern's Spur", you didn't realize there was a Book 1 and a Book 3. In comparison, "Song of the Saurials" seemed a lot weaker to me, and I think that's because it felt you HAD to have read "Azure Bonds" to have it make sense.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 :  22:50:57  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

I think the reason "The Wyvern's Spur" was so successful as a middle novel is that it dodged the "resolve a substory, but not the overall story" charge in a clever way. The novel felt like an "aside," rather the "middle" if that makes sense. Another way to put it might be as follows: If you didn't read "The Wyvern's Spur", you could just read Book 1 and Book 3 and, with one sentence of explanation ("Giogi went home and had a little adventure with Olive and a duplicate of Alias named Cat.") not realize you'd missed anything. Likewise, if you just read "The Wyvern's Spur", you didn't realize there was a Book 1 and a Book 3. In comparison, "Song of the Saurials" seemed a lot weaker to me, and I think that's because it felt you HAD to have read "Azure Bonds" to have it make sense.

--Eric



I've always liked the fact that The Wyvern's Spur can be read by itself... By itself, it's one of my fave Realms novels.

You're prolly right about why it succeeded.

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Iliphar1
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Posted - 13 May 2005 :  19:13:27  Show Profile  Visit Iliphar1's Homepage Send Iliphar1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I chose Beyond the High Road,

it was one of these books that made me stay in bed the whole night, just reading one more page... just one more...

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 14 May 2005 :  00:44:56  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

The novel felt like an "aside," rather the "middle" if that makes sense.
While I absolutely loved The Wyvern's Spur, I couldn't vote for it for the reason above. This novel, though officially part of the Finders Stone trilogy, is pretty much a stand alone novel.

I voted for Tantras. It's the only realms novel I have ever read in a single sitting. At the time, the ending was shocking.

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Neo2151
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Posted - 29 May 2005 :  05:00:08  Show Profile  Send Neo2151 an AOL message Send Neo2151 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For me, it'd definitly have to be Beyond the High Road. In the Cormyr Saga, BtHR is where the story REALLY starts. Cormyr felt more like the stereotypical "middle" novel to me. It was just too slow. You definitly needed the present-tense story of the book but it seemed to drag on. I'd constantly find myself wishing a chapter was done so I could get back to the exciting history lesson.

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 30 May 2005 :  16:26:46  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Neo2151

For me, it'd definitly have to be Beyond the High Road. In the Cormyr Saga, BtHR is where the story REALLY starts. Cormyr felt more like the stereotypical "middle" novel to me. It was just too slow. You definitly needed the present-tense story of the book but it seemed to drag on. I'd constantly find myself wishing a chapter was done so I could get back to the exciting history lesson.



I also enjoyed the past sections of the novel more than the present day plot. I'm glad the upcoming Waterdeep novel did not follow this format.
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ode904
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 :  22:48:55  Show Profile  Click to see ode904's MSN Messenger address Send ode904 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I join the leading force and answer Exile.
It's just hmm..combatible(sorry my english) with other serie. I agree with you Eric the 'middle book' is usually the weakest.
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ode904
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 :  22:53:19  Show Profile  Click to see ode904's MSN Messenger address Send ode904 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've never really liked Vangey, myself (or Vandy, as SB calls him ). I don't know why, but his character has never really grabbed me.



Vandy wasn't a big fave of mine either. But, I really liked how he was portrayed in the last novel. Perhaps it was the company he kept and his final path in service to Cormyr.



I agree with you. Heh Vandy.. He's sometimes a little boring in my opinion.
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 08 Jul 2005 :  05:42:29  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The middle Erevis Cale book really hooked me, even more so than the first book, and Farthest Reach also struck me as much better than the first book (not that it wasn't good).

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Lord Rad
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Posted - 08 Jul 2005 :  09:16:15  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage  Click to see Lord Rad's MSN Messenger address Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with KnightErrant. Dawn of Night was stunning! I never thought it could come close to Twilight Falling but it really blew me away and didn't have that typical "middle novel" feel to it at all.

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Crennen FaerieBane
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 :  00:02:35  Show Profile  Click to see Crennen FaerieBane's MSN Messenger address Send Crennen FaerieBane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I voted for Exile because I thought it overall was a good book. From the disenchanted Belwar to the craziness of Klacker. I thought the book showed a man (elf in this casE) and what he had to do to not only survive the hardshest environ known to Faerunians, but to survive a depression of his very soul. To retreat so far and still come back because of finding true meaning. It's a great story. I loved it!

Though to be honest... it wasn't in the poll, but I loved the Farthest Reach the most. IT was neat to see all of the powers of the Moonsea and Dalelands compete with a new power that was far beyond what they were ready for. Plus, the Return was the first book in a long time not to completely trounce the Elves of the realms. It seems that there has been too much of that as of late!

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koz
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Posted - 23 Jan 2007 :  09:04:26  Show Profile  Visit koz's Homepage Send koz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
this was a very tough decision. There were so many novels that I enjoyed on the list. I enjoyed Black Wizards very much and felt like it did a good job of advancing the plotline. Exile was excellent. Almost a continuation from Homeland and a great lead into Sojourn. Streams of Silver is very sentimental to me since it was the novel that reintroduced me to the realms. Good story and continuation of the main plot. I really enjoyed Tantras. I think I read The Avatar series right after Icewind Dale. it was a little hard to get into at first since I was fairly new to the realms but I thought Tantras was the best book of the original trilogy. Here's where it get's really tough for me. I really enjoyed The Threat From the Sea a lot. I love how Mr. Odom describes the aquatic life and seafaring. This is one of my favorite series and made me a fan of Mr. Odom. My vote goes to another of my favorite series though. The Finder's Stone Trilogy really hooked me. Great storytelling and characters. I wish Mr. Grubb and Ms. Novak would grace us with there presence again. The Wyvern's Spur had it all. The continuation of the overall series plot while adding new wrinkles as well, humor, memorable characters, action, adventure..... I could go on and on. It is also the only novel that I have finished in under a day. Well under a day. It's that good. If you haven't read this series, I highly reccommend it.
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Zaknafein
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 :  04:34:33  Show Profile  Visit Zaknafein's Homepage Send Zaknafein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Exile was indeed a good book because it introduced everyone to the uniqueness of the Underdark. Drizzt's personal struggles were somewhat interesting but the encounters with Illithids and other creatures made this novel a stepping stone for other authors to write about the Underdark.

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Hawkins
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I voted for Beyond the High Road, by Troy Denning, because I lost sleep because I could not put this book down and finished in one night (opposed to the normal length of 2-3 days for a novel of this length). Though I really enjoyed Siege of Darkness (it looks like only middle books from trilogies got included).

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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 :  23:59:10  Show Profile  Visit monknwildcat's Homepage Send monknwildcat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Long-time lurker, second-time poster.

It'd have to be The Wyvern's Spur for me, too. Finder annoyed me, so he hamstrung the bookends of the trilogy; the middle book wasn't so handicapped.

[That aside, I've only laughed as hard consistently at books penned by Cunningham and the Cormyr series (which had the Wyvernspurs, now that I think about it), and that laughter in The Wyvern's Spur sold me on the Realms as complex, evolved but enjoyable setting worth investment.]

I have a large extended family, all local, and I related to the dynamics of the Wyvernspurs. It was a very human alternative to the Realms-shaking 1st and 3rd. A nice switch-up.
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darkcrow
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 :  04:26:22  Show Profile  Visit darkcrow's Homepage Send darkcrow a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Streams of Silver is my favorite Drizzt book and my wife got me that book signed for my birthday.

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BARDOBARBAROS
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 :  11:30:28  Show Profile  Visit BARDOBARBAROS's Homepage Send BARDOBARBAROS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just finished reading Exile (for second time) in the Legend of drizzt series so i voted for this one...

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