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Shadovar
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Posted - 14 May 2005 :  02:48:26  Show Profile  Visit Shadovar's Homepage Send Shadovar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excuse me, so since mind flayers are known to be versed in psionics, there are other non-illithid individuals who also possess psionic abilities. Are such abilities considered innate magics that are non reliant on the Weave?

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Sadonayerah Odrydin
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Yes because my character Sadie grew up around them and knows how to use them. And the DM's I've played with allow it. (Though I've only had three DM's).

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Forge
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Posted - 27 Jun 2005 :  20:13:00  Show Profile  Visit Forge's Homepage  Send Forge a Yahoo! Message Send Forge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm very interested in Psionics as a class and a style of 'magic' the biggest single stumbling block I encounter is it's another book to have to buy.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Forge

I'm very interested in Psionics as a class and a style of 'magic' the biggest single stumbling block I encounter is it's another book to have to buy.
Then consider the stumbling block no more! Try this:- http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/Psionics.zip

It is WotC's System Reference Document (SRD) pertaining to all the 3.5e psionics rules from the XPsiHB.

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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 :  13:13:59  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
I'm very interested in Psionics as a class and a style of 'magic' the biggest single stumbling block I encounter is it's another book to have to buy.




But, IMO, the Expanded Psionics Handbooks is one of the best 3.5 books that we have, and Iīm very happy to have my copy

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Thureen Buroch
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 :  17:07:39  Show Profile  Visit Thureen Buroch's Homepage Send Thureen Buroch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I definitely have psionics. It spices up the game. I mean, right now, I'm running a quest with my mom (yes, my mom plays DnD) where I'm DMing and she's looking for the answer to what a bunch of crystals she plucked off an Illithid do. (They're all the same size, and one each for each color of the rainbow). Well, they're the components to a psionic artifact.

However I keep psionics very rare. I like psionics to be something that, even in DnD, players find very mysterious. If it weren't rare, it wouldn't be as mysterious and fun to use.

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Forge
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Posted - 01 Jul 2005 :  17:17:44  Show Profile  Visit Forge's Homepage  Send Forge a Yahoo! Message Send Forge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*shrug* Looking over it, it's just a different magic system. Points instead of spell slots. Heck, they even have their own Psionic familiar.

Oh, and Half-giants as a Psionic race?? what's with THAT?
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ode904
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 :  22:32:59  Show Profile  Click to see ode904's MSN Messenger address Send ode904 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo

Well met

For characters, then no. However, creatures with psionic abilities are a different story... what is an illithid without these powers? Therefore, I would have to vote yes.



I must agree with Alaundo. I would not like characters who use psionics, but it suits some magical creatures.
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ode904
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Posted - 06 Jul 2005 :  22:43:28  Show Profile  Click to see ode904's MSN Messenger address Send ode904 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shadovar

Excuse me, so since mind flayers are known to be versed in psionics, there are other non-illithid individuals who also possess psionic abilities. Are such abilities considered innate magics that are non reliant on the Weave?


Hmm..Intresting question. I cannot answer. Copy psionics handbook from that Sages link(thank you) and try to find it from there.
Or is here someone who can answer this?
(there's always someone..)
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Prince Forge of Avalon
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 :  04:15:12  Show Profile  Visit Prince Forge of Avalon's Homepage Send Prince Forge of Avalon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've noticed in the more recent novels and books that Psionics seems to be more prevelent in the Realms these days and I'm glad that is so.

I've always been a suporter of Psionics and was soooo tired of how everybody loved to bash Psionics as the "broken" magic system. I hope to see more of it in the official Realms stuff!

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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 :  12:38:13  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Oh, and Half-giants as a Psionic race?? what's with THAT?


IMO, the Wizards that Dwell on the Coast are trying the market, to see if Athasian things donīt lost his appeal.

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Edited by - Chosen of Moradin on 07 Jul 2005 12:39:57
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin

quote:
Oh, and Half-giants as a Psionic race?? what's with THAT?


IMO, the Wizards that Dwell on the Coast are trying the market, to see if Athasian things donīt lost his appeal.



I think it was more of a token nod at a defunct setting.

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magnakanus
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 :  18:05:15  Show Profile  Visit magnakanus's Homepage  Send magnakanus an ICQ Message Send magnakanus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I guess I am the only person here that felt almost heartbroken reading all the negative oppinions on psionics. As I love to try everything out at least once no matter how good or bad as it goes with RPG I DM'ed a few Darksun campaigns and dug right into the psionics thing as it came out in 2ed. Granted that psionics is not the typical fireball and magic missile kinda backup every party is expecting psionics are kind of the "rogue" of magic. A psionacist cant throw a fireball into the masses, but a good bout of psionic blast can ruin the day of about any opponant. The silent art, or the invisible art can't be used like the sorcerer/artilery cannon. He requires creativity and planing. I liked the idea of psionics being separated from magic and do not view them as being too sci-fi just because like skywalker was the first public psionacist. As stated before, the arts of the mind were once considered a part of magic, like everything once was. Magic was the word for things that you could not explain otherwise.
Yet 3ed did mess up the whole psionics thing with their first suplement where you had to have a stat for every second talent which was thankfuly improved in the extended book. I much more prefer the 2ed rules where psionics were not so linear and structured like every other spell, 3ed took a bit of the flavor away and did attach bells, whistles and neon sighns. Yet I still love psionics and believe them a part of the whole flavor of fantasy and magic and could not concieve of a campaign without at least a little of the silent art, probably because they are so rare and unknown. After a while you can't surprise the party with your average sorcerer/mage/priest, etc.

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Sir Luther Cromwell
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 :  18:13:47  Show Profile  Visit Sir Luther Cromwell's Homepage Send Sir Luther Cromwell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I as a DM am wary of psionics, but that's not to say that Psionics itself is bad. The offensive defensive crap in 3.0 made it too much of a pain (that and having some psions rely on strength and consitution). The thing about psionics is that if put in the hands of the right player, a DM may find that NPCs that would otherwise be challenging opponents are dealt with almost instantaneously, especially at higher levels. A DM should give out psionics as one might give out certain races and templates: sparringly. However, psionic NPCs tend to add flavor to everything. Usually I'll count Magic Resistance and Power resistance as the same, because otherwise it just gets messy.

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ode904
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 :  21:32:38  Show Profile  Click to see ode904's MSN Messenger address Send ode904 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sir Luther Cromwell

, but that's not to say that Psionics itself is bad.


quote:
Originally posted by Sir Luther Cromwell
The offensive defensive crap in 3.0 made it too much of a pain (that and having some psions rely on strength and consitution).



Yes i wouldn't like to use psionics as my character's magic, BUT I don't say that psionics are bad idea for your character's profession.

I haven't read all of the rules of 3.0 so This can sound a bit noob-like but:
Could you tell more of that second quote. My opinion is that psionics 'attribute' is intelligence(if I understand properly; you say it isn't?). Read Siege of Darkness, pages about 167-169(When kyorl stands in tower and tries to get her psionics to use)
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Sir Luther Cromwell
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 :  18:32:31  Show Profile  Visit Sir Luther Cromwell's Homepage Send Sir Luther Cromwell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
I haven't read all of the rules of 3.0 so This can sound a bit noob-like but:
Could you tell more of that second quote. My opinion is that psionics 'attribute' is intelligence(if I understand properly; you say it isn't?). Read Siege of Darkness, pages about 167-169(When kyorl stands in tower and tries to get her psionics to use)


Sure.
The class Psion is broken down into 6 different types of Psions (sort of like specialist wizards, only its medatory for a Psion). Originally in 3.0, each one of these relied on a different ability score
The Telekinetisist relied on Strength
The Egoist on Constitution
The Nomad on Dexterity
The Telepath on Charisma

And I forget the other two, but one relied on Intelligence and the other on wisdom. And yes, I agree, psionics SHOULD be intelligence. Actually if you ask me, it depends because having a telepath rely on charisma make sense (which is not as much of a stretch as having strength as a primary psionis ability).

And in 3.0 they had a whole offensive mode, defensive mode that was overly complicating everything (sort of like THACO, only relatively less painful).

And the Cerebromancer class (class that leveled up as an arcane spell caster and a psion at the same time) was just way too tanked! Unless it was used as an NPC class.

Now if you could level up as a mystic thurge and a psion at the same time (leveling up in cleric, wizard and psion levels), that would make an awesome NPC.

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Forge
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 :  18:46:44  Show Profile  Visit Forge's Homepage  Send Forge a Yahoo! Message Send Forge a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
After a while you can't surprise the party with your average sorcerer/mage/priest, etc.

I beg to differ, there are myriad different ways of playing and/or presenting any of those 3 classes. It's much the same as with a Psion, but lets face it, the genre doesn't support psionic to NEARLY the degree that it does magic. It's almost as if Psionics were tacked on at the end to make a small slice of gamers happy to have their meta-munchkin niche. (No offence to psion players, but in the outset, that's what a lot of psions were.)
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Sir Luther Cromwell
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 :  19:06:39  Show Profile  Visit Sir Luther Cromwell's Homepage Send Sir Luther Cromwell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
It's much the same as with a Psion, but lets face it, the genre doesn't support psionic to NEARLY the degree that it does magic. It's almost as if Psionics were tacked on at the end to make a small slice of gamers happy to have their meta-munchkin niche.


So why don't we work on this! Surely here at candlekeep there must be enough people interested in Psionics to create a Net book. Come on, it would be fun!

Psionics would have to be a bit underground, and low key in the Realms. But nevertheless, it's do-able.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Sir Luther Cromwell

So why don't we work on this! Surely here at candlekeep there must be enough people interested in Psionics to create a Net book. Come on, it would be fun!

Psionics would have to be a bit underground, and low key in the Realms. But nevertheless, it's do-able.

Both myself and another (now former) scribe worked on a Psionics and Combat supplement for the d20 system during the middle of last year -- after the revised system for D&D psionics was released. It was published by RoE and is available for sale at RPGNow.com

PM me, and I'll provide you with the details .

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Sir Luther Cromwell
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Posted - 15 Jul 2005 :  14:31:08  Show Profile  Visit Sir Luther Cromwell's Homepage Send Sir Luther Cromwell a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sweet, Thank you Sage.

"At what temperature does a Goblin boil?"
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Alisttair
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I've never actually used psionics in game, but if a player of mine were to ask me if it exists, I would say yes. Same if they ask to play a Psion.

I have the Complete Psionics handbook from 2E which I of course can't really use in 3E. I don't bother spending money on the 3E version since they had the 3E one and now have the 3.5 one. By the time I decide to actually use Psionics enough 4E or even 5E will be out so I don't want to blow my money because of the absurdity of rules changing too often (even though I agree with the changes).

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Faramicos
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Posted - 20 Jul 2005 :  18:19:06  Show Profile  Visit Faramicos's Homepage Send Faramicos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I dont use psionics as a DM... At least not for my players. If i would use them it would excusively be as NPCīs...

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Bjorn the Studious
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I my campaign set in Hlondeth psionics are a big part of things. One of the PC's is a deep gnome psion telepath. The party has teamed up with an apprentice red wizard and is exploring the sewers searching for the lost temple of Auppenser(course they don't know that, but the red wizard does). Their next big encounter will be against a 3 level Extraminaar(sp?) psionic warrior armed with poisoned weapons and a very sharp mind.

I've always liked psionics actually. I liked the second edition psion rules as well, one of my favorite FR characters being a 2 level psionicist/5 level transmuter. Then he died and was reincarnated as a half elf cleric of Lliira.


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Aaron L
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I love psionics and am very glad about the Jhaamdathan psiocracy being revealed.

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I like the idea of psionics but not the implementation.

I also wish that the base magic system for D&D was point based but I don't see that happening any time soon.

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