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Crust
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Posted - 22 Nov 2004 :  12:56:25  Show Profile  Visit Crust's Homepage  Send Crust an AOL message Send Crust a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm surprised and disappointed that I didn't see the Shadow of the Avatar series in that poll. That's my favorite trilogy.

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Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"

"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."

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arilyn742
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Posted - 22 Nov 2004 :  16:40:32  Show Profile  Visit arilyn742's Homepage  Send arilyn742 a Yahoo! Message Send arilyn742 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lina

quote:
Originally posted by arilyn742

No, they didn't. I'm currently reading the latter. It's just that you did not have the Song and Sword books as separate ones, when they are stand-alone novels, whereas each trilogy (I use that word word to distinguish individual ones from the collective Drizzt "series") of the Drizzt series has one flowing plot and would not be complete without all three books.

No matter.

The first two in the song and swords series were originally intended as separate novels (as part of the Harpers Series, made up of 15 novels I think). These novels were later expanded and re-published as books 1&2 in the series. However, you do not have to have novels that completely follow on from one another to be categorised as a "series". Take for instance the Sembia series; in each novel the storylines are totally different but are linked to the other through one common theme: The Uskerven family's exploits.

I don't quite follow you on the Drizzts business. There are three distinct triologies which include Drizzts as the main character:

The Icewind Dale Trilogy
The Crystal Shard
Streams of Silver
The Halflings Gem

The Dark Elf Trilogy
Homeland
Exile
Sojourn

The Legacy of the Drow Series
The Legacy
Starless Night
Seige of Darkness
Passage to Dawn

Plus The Paths of Darkness Series which came out in the late 90s/early 2000.

Hope that cleared things up.



Ah, forget it. 'Twas ne'er meant to turn into anything involving more than two posts. As I said last time, It matters not. I was just saying that each book in each Drizzt trilogy is part of one whole plot (the trilogy), whereas the series as a whole seems to be just a series of these trilogies.

The Arilyn and Danilo books, however, all have completely separate plots, and the series is more in league with the entire collection of Drizzt novels than with one trilogy.

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Enialus Meliamne
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Posted - 26 Nov 2004 :  22:06:17  Show Profile  Visit Enialus Meliamne's Homepage  Send Enialus Meliamne a Yahoo! Message Send Enialus Meliamne a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am new here, but since I am checking these active polls, I will put my two cents worth in. The first Trilogy I finished in FR was Icewind Dale in the early 90's. Excellent books to start getting into DnD with. I have read them multiple times, and basically any FR books involving Drizzt are EXCELLENT! But I must say that the series I voted for on this poll was the Cleric Quintet. Cadderly and Danica, Pikel and Ivan, man I loved that set. I'm reading it again right now :-). My one and only real PnP player that I've run for any length of time was surprise, a Cleric, so maybe it fits ya know. I am looking forward to the Cleric series when it comes out, but I have a feeling it won't appeal to me as much as the Quintet (No offense to the writing parties of those books..Far from it as I will be buying them). But for a standard of Clerics, Cadderly was it for me. If I can ever find a gaming party around my locale, I will be running a Cleric. I better start looking for those FR Canon books so I can get up to speed huh?

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Reader of any author in FR who entertains or weaves a good yarn.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 27 Nov 2004 :  06:59:26  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Crust

I'm surprised and disappointed that I didn't see the Shadow of the Avatar series in that poll. That's my favorite trilogy.



I'm with you Crust. Definitely one of my favourite FR trilogies and some of Ed's best writing IMHO - with a trilogy he didn't seem as "rushed" to get to the good stuff. The story built throughout the whole three books and was multi-layered, filled with lore tidbits and entertained. It gave the Avatar Crisis some FR grounding. Good stuff!

-- George Krashos

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Hoondatha
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Posted - 04 Dec 2004 :  02:36:47  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I also agree. Shadows of the Avatar is by far my favorite trilogy. There have been other great ones (several are on the list), but that's the one I come back to again and again. I love the writing style and the characters, and the fact that we get to see Harpers being Harpers. Plus we also get Sylune, the Sister we see the least of.

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Sigh... And now 4e as well.
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coralleane
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Posted - 07 Dec 2004 :  01:20:43  Show Profile  Visit coralleane's Homepage  Send coralleane an AOL message  Send coralleane a Yahoo! Message Send coralleane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
YAY see I am not alone in my like of those books! :)



You have good taste. *g*

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Schala
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Posted - 26 Dec 2004 :  05:02:05  Show Profile  Visit Schala's Homepage Send Schala a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My favorite set of novels by far is the Avatar Series. Where else do you get to see inside the minds of the gods? Not only that, my favorite character is Cyric and he is in every one of them. People probably think I'm warped, but I'm in love with Cyric...

The Paths of Darkness series would be a close second if Spine of the World and Sea of Swords weren't so bad. Other than Prince of Lies and Crucible, Servant of the Shard and Silent Blade are my favorite FR books. I really like Entreri. How cool is he?

Devoted Follower of Cyric, the One and All.

~Death to all who oppose Cyric. Bow down before his supreme power, and yield to him the blood of those that do not believe in his supremacy. Fear and obey those in authority, but slay those that are weak, of good persuasion, or false prophets. Bring death to those that oppose Cyric's church or make peace, order, and laws, for only Cyric is the true authority.~
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Dec 2004 :  06:43:11  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Schala

My favorite set of novels by far is the Avatar Series. Where else do you get to see inside the minds of the gods? Not only that, my favorite character is Cyric and he is in every one of them. People probably think I'm warped, but I'm in love with Cyric...


Yep, you're warped. But 99.75% of us are, so it's no biggie.

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SiriusBlack
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USA
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Posted - 26 Dec 2004 :  07:44:17  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Schala

My favorite set of novels by far is the Avatar Series. Where else do you get to see inside the minds of the gods?



The opening of Evermeet: Island of Elves offered a nice chance to see the thinking of some of the elven pantheon.

quote:

I really like Entreri. How cool is he?



So cool he has a poll focusing on him. Be sure to offer an opinion in that thread.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 :  15:08:56  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For guilty pleasure reading, my choice has to be Ed’s Shadows of the Avatar trilogy, which unfortunately doesn’t seem to be listed here.
Of the choice offered here, Ed’s Elminster books win out for me over Elaine’s superb Songs & Swords offerings for three reasons: the Elminster books are more ambitious in their scope, they take the reader to more important events for the Realms, and in particular they introduce a fascinating roster of supporting characters along the way. There are dozens of walk-ons in the Elminster books thus far that I’d like to read full-length novels about.
I enjoy the Arilyn and Danilo byplay very much, but I thirst for more of literally a score of character relationships Ed very briefly shows us.
I’d also like to see more of Jeff & Kate’s books, but as this is a poll of “Old Favourites,” I must in all honesty go back to the books I delve into again and again, and for me, those are Ed’s first two Elminster books (especially the first) and the most recent one. ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER got very lightly editorially pruned of some nice “un-necessary character byplay” scenes, by the way, and someday I’d like to see it with those scenes put back. Full frosting on the cake, as it were.
love to all,
THO

Edited by - The Hooded One on 27 Dec 2004 15:10:02
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 :  15:38:35  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER got very lightly editorially pruned of some nice “un-necessary character byplay” scenes, by the way, and someday I’d like to see it with those scenes put back. Full frosting on the cake, as it were.
love to all,
THO



Disappointing to hear, but not surprising. Do you know which characters were most affected by this light editing?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 :  15:44:14  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
El's daughter in a key end of the novel scene, Glarasteer Rhauligan, Myrmeen Lhal in a scene with Vangey, and our ambitious mage villain (in a scene with his superiors). The story still works without them, Ed was just showing us all "a little more."
That's his big fight with Realms fiction editors. They always want books that focus on one or two key characters, and Ed always wants to treat his entire cast equally.
THO
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 27 Dec 2004 :  15:51:28  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

El's daughter in a key end of the novel scene, Glarasteer Rhauligan, Myrmeen Lhal in a scene with Vangey, and our ambitious mage villain (in a scene with his superiors).



Damn, exactly who I thought it might be. Thank you for sharing this information.

quote:

The story still works without them, Ed was just showing us all "a little more."
That's his big fight with Realms fiction editors. They always want books that focus on one or two key characters, and Ed always wants to treat his entire cast equally.
THO



Perhaps the success of Richard Baker's, Forsaken House which contains a wide cast of characters will convince the editors that the reader is intelligent enough to focus on more than just one or two characters.
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Schala
Acolyte

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Posted - 29 Dec 2004 :  04:34:50  Show Profile  Visit Schala's Homepage Send Schala a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

ELMINSTER’S DAUGHTER got very lightly editorially pruned of some nice “un-necessary character byplay” scenes, by the way, and someday I’d like to see it with those scenes put back. Full frosting on the cake, as it were.
love to all,
THO



OMG! I cannot believe they edited scenes out of that book! I don't particularly like Elminster, but that book wasn't too bad. I would like any book I read to be complete. I want the full version, now! Maybe Ed will come out with an unedited version sometime.

Devoted Follower of Cyric, the One and All.

~Death to all who oppose Cyric. Bow down before his supreme power, and yield to him the blood of those that do not believe in his supremacy. Fear and obey those in authority, but slay those that are weak, of good persuasion, or false prophets. Bring death to those that oppose Cyric's church or make peace, order, and laws, for only Cyric is the true authority.~
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 29 Dec 2004 :  04:41:29  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Schala
I want the full version, now! Maybe Ed will come out with an unedited version sometime.



I doubt that would be possible any time in the near future if at all. How many FR books have been released again for an "author's edition?"
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Dec 2004 :  05:46:16  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack

quote:
Originally posted by Schala
I want the full version, now! Maybe Ed will come out with an unedited version sometime.



I doubt that would be possible any time in the near future if at all. How many FR books have been released again for an "author's edition?"



I've not seen all that many fantasy books get an "author's edition," now that you mention it... Beyond Magician and now Prince of the Blood, I'm drawing a blank as to any fantasy novels I've seen get that treatment. So, sadly, it seems rather unlikely that WotC would ever do that.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 29 Dec 2004 05:47:03
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Elmonster
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Posted - 04 Jan 2005 :  07:53:14  Show Profile  Visit Elmonster's Homepage Send Elmonster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Edited or not, but Elminster's Daughter is one of the best in the Series. And Elminster Series are second to none in this list - that is my opinion. And my vote for the Elminster Series

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Alisttair
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 :  14:52:23  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This one was tough. Avatar or Dark Elf. The Dark Elf trilogy was exciting to read, but I decided to go with Avatar trilogy because it was such a huge event and Cyric is entertaining in some kinda sick twisted way.

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Jorkens
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Norway
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 :  17:04:58  Show Profile Send Jorkens a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Another old one Alistair?

Finders bane, Shandril, Elminster and Moonshae are all among my favorites, as are Song and Sword. I will go for Moonshae for purely subjective reasons.
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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 :  17:11:32  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And I go with the Avatar series. The first realms novels that I read.

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Alisttair
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 :  18:07:40  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

Another old one Alistair?




not sure what you mean?

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Alisttair
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 :  18:13:40  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alisttair

quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

Another old one Alistair?




not sure what you mean?



I'm onlly 25 but yeah I like those old ones....and I like the new ones too.

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Jorkens
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Sorry if I confused you Alistair, it was only a flippant comment about the threads you had resurrected; it was not meant in any way as negative. I had not answered them myself, so I was following in your footsteps topic after topic.
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Chosen of Moradin
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Posted - 12 Sep 2006 :  20:00:50  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Moradin's Homepage  Click to see Chosen of Moradin's MSN Messenger address Send Chosen of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hehe!
I think that this was what you´re talking about, Jorkens.
Anyway, it´s good that Alistair ressurrected this threads. So, you follow their footsteps, and I follow yours.

Things will be very funny if someone is trying to track some of us.

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Alisttair
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Posted - 13 Sep 2006 :  16:34:27  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage  Click to see Alisttair's MSN Messenger address Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens

Sorry if I confused you Alistair, it was only a flippant comment about the threads you had resurrected; it was not meant in any way as negative. I had not answered them myself, so I was following in your footsteps topic after topic.



Oh hehe....I hadn't even noticed....I was just trying to vote in all the polls and it showed up in Active Polls for some reason.

But yeah its nice to resurrect some old threads sometimes. It's like going through some old tomes in Candlekeep....oh wait...its scrolls in this area ;)

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