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DDH_101
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Posted - 09 Apr 2005 :  21:16:03  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I remember some members here mentioned about the demon Eltab would be featured. I would also like to see some other epic villains have a write-up. For example, a 3E one for Sammaster the Mad.


Lol. I think the "mole" is probably being tortured in the dungeons of WotC by a couple of illithids and phaerrims...

"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Apr 2005 :  21:47:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101

Lol. I think the "mole" is probably being tortured in the dungeons of WotC by a couple of illithids and phaerrims...



Nah, they wouldn't be that nice.

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 09 Apr 2005 :  23:09:18  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
Lol. I think the "mole" is probably being tortured in the dungeons of WotC by a couple of illithids and phaerrims...



Wielding staff of NDAs no doubt as well.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Bullywug
Hmmm... You know, I've never used the bullywugs as creature encounters in my campaigns. Ever.

I wonder if they're inclusion in the CoR sourcebook will make me consider otherwise.

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jameslt0
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quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack

Champions of Valor is set for release in November.



Hmmm...I dont see anything listed about it on Wizards.com

James
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SiriusBlack
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quote:
Originally posted by jameslt0

quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack

Champions of Valor is set for release in November.



Hmmm...I dont see anything listed about it on Wizards.com

James



WOTC is a bit slow in updating their web site. Try this thread for the information.
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Mareka
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Posted - 13 Apr 2005 :  22:00:07  Show Profile  Visit Mareka's Homepage Send Mareka a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack

quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Im guessing that there using CoR as another way to reprint stuff from Monsters of Faerun in 3.5 Format, I bet ya the other 2 races are from Monsters of Faerun to



Yes, one does get that sense. I'm still on the fence when it comes to CoR. I really only find myself interested in one chapter per this article's description with pershaps some mild interest in one other. The rest....


Out of curiosity, which chapters?
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 14 Apr 2005 :  11:35:20  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mareka
Out of curiosity, which chapters?



Chapter Four with its details on "misunderstood" organizations in Faerun is the one I'm most interested in.

Chaptever Seven with most legendary "misjudged" individuals has some mild interest. Depending upon who is listed, my interest could grow or fade.
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Mareka
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 :  21:53:23  Show Profile  Visit Mareka's Homepage Send Mareka a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The information on organizations and big bads are very intriguing indeed. The chapter with locations looks fun as well. I'm a junkie for detailed locations.

Running evil campaigns though. Has anyone ever had a lot of success with this? Most evil campaigns in my experience degenerate into either a reckless slaughter of innocent inn goers, or a party that just eventually destroys itself.
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DDH_101
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  00:00:38  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mareka

The information on organizations and big bads are very intriguing indeed. The chapter with locations looks fun as well. I'm a junkie for detailed locations.

Running evil campaigns though. Has anyone ever had a lot of success with this? Most evil campaigns in my experience degenerate into either a reckless slaughter of innocent inn goers, or a party that just eventually destroys itself.



Mareka, I've had the same experience myself in evil campaigns. Lol. When I used to play with my friends in an evil campaign, all the other players seem to think just because you play evil you gotta at least slaughter some poor folk or betray the people that are fighting beside you.

In fact, I remember one time, when there was five of us fighting a powerful group of assassins. We were all badly injured and just about able to finish off the enemies when the wizard in the party unleashed a fireball on the fighters in the group (myself included )!. Of course, that killed the main offense in our party leaving the wizard and the cleric defenseless to the assassins. Afterwards, we were all quite pissed and demanded to know why he did it. The player with the wizard character replied, "I had to do something evil. That was the first thing that came to mind."

"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by Mareka

Running evil campaigns though. Has anyone ever had a lot of success with this? Most evil campaigns in my experience degenerate into either a reckless slaughter of innocent inn goers, or a party that just eventually destroys itself.



I've never run an evil campaign, or participated in one. I would imagine, though, that unless you had a group that had some sort of unity or group goal, then it would be hard to keep it going.

But, on the other hand, if all the characters were evil and had a unified goal, and weren't busy doing random evil stuff, then it could work. I hesitate to mention another setting, but look at the Knights of Takhisis in some DL novels -- particularly around the time of the Chaos War.

I think too many people equate evil with Chaotic Evil. I've no particular problem with the alignment system in D&D, but I've encountered many people, or heard tales of them, who simply didn't understand certain alignments.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 19 Apr 2005 00:16:14
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warlockco
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  03:02:23  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mareka

The information on organizations and big bads are very intriguing indeed. The chapter with locations looks fun as well. I'm a junkie for detailed locations.

Running evil campaigns though. Has anyone ever had a lot of success with this? Most evil campaigns in my experience degenerate into either a reckless slaughter of innocent inn goers, or a party that just eventually destroys itself.



I have been able to run Evil Campaigns with to "good" effect, but mainly because, I say out front that I will not condone nor hinder Player vs Player. <Note: these are Drow Campaigns> However the Matron Mother, has ordered that the ranks are not to be thinned unless it proves to be for the better of the House. <Note: All PCs are Minor Nobles of the same House>

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Elmonster
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Posted - 19 Apr 2005 :  18:09:30  Show Profile  Visit Elmonster's Homepage Send Elmonster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anything about Kymil Nimesin in this Sourcebook?? and other anti-Moonflower conspirators??

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All that's locked within the book of secrets
I longed for the knowledge of the sage...

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 05 May 2005 :  23:28:12  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm still looking forward to the book, but why, oh why, of all the evil in all of Faerun, did someone decide to make a "from 1st level" monster class of the Draegloth? Did Jeggred have fans that I didn't know about?
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edbonny
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  01:01:44  Show Profile  Visit edbonny's Homepage Send edbonny a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey All,

Just picked up Champions of Ruin at my FLGS in Denville, NJ...

Hit me up with any questions!

- Ed
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Chosen of Bane
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  01:13:33  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Bane's Homepage Send Chosen of Bane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mareka



Running evil campaigns though. Has anyone ever had a lot of success with this? Most evil campaigns in my experience degenerate into either a reckless slaughter of innocent inn goers, or a party that just eventually destroys itself.



I'm currently running my first ever evil campaign and it is going well so far (only level 4). The PC's are a member of the Zhentarim and the lawful nature of the organization helps tremendously. I ruled that players could not play a cleric of Cyric and that was my only stipulation. The whole group consists of mature role-players and I commend them on keeping it together.

However, I think this would be worthy of a thread of its own and I'll get back to Champions of Ruin.

quote:
Originally posted by edbonny


Hey All,

Just picked up Champions of Ruin at my FLGS in Denville, NJ...

Hit me up with any questions!



Is there any updated information on the situation of the Zhentarim or is it a rehash of old material? Is the Banite vs. Cyric tension focused on and is their any mention of Zhentarim action in a updated timeline?

Thanks.
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edbonny
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  01:36:25  Show Profile  Visit edbonny's Homepage Send edbonny a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
Is there any updated information on the situation of the Zhentarim or is it a rehash of old material? Is the Banite vs. Cyric tension focused on and is their any mention of Zhentarim action in a updated timeline?

Thanks.




There are 2 pages of info on the Zhentarim. There is a very brief history and no timeline. The entry lists the Zhent's areas of influence, rules on joining the group --- it is mostly common Realmslore - a snapshot of where the group is today. There is one sentence about using Cyric priests as possible enemiies of a Zhentarium character, but there is no explanation of the relationship between the two deities.

- Ed

Edited by - edbonny on 06 May 2005 01:41:09
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  01:38:15  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by edbonny

Hey All,

Just picked up Champions of Ruin at my FLGS in Denville, NJ...

Hit me up with any questions!

- Ed

The Krash got me all interested on the Queen of Whispers... What's she like?

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Chosen of Bane
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  02:13:13  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Bane's Homepage Send Chosen of Bane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Ed!
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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  02:14:08  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Woo Hoo! just got mine from my store here in Austin!

I am very stoked! I haven't read much so far but it looks fantastic!
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Shemmy
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  02:34:55  Show Profile  Visit Shemmy's Homepage Send Shemmy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by edbonny

Hey All,

Just picked up Champions of Ruin at my FLGS in Denville, NJ...

Hit me up with any questions!

- Ed



*preamble of senseless flattery for the guy with the dark on things*

So what's the dirt on Aumvor the Undying, loosely who is he and what's his history that's given. I've only heard of a brief mention of his name before and that's it.

Also, how expansive is the material on the Elder Eternal Evils and the archfiends that get presented?

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Osieu
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  02:36:31  Show Profile  Visit Osieu's Homepage Send Osieu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by edbonny

Hey All,

Just picked up Champions of Ruin at my FLGS in Denville, NJ...

Hit me up with any questions!

- Ed


Wold you please tell me is there any new information about Sammaster? What's the Shadow Weave Node like? And is there anything new about the Shadow Weave(feats or prestige classes, maybe Initiates of Shar)? Finally, what's the stats of Aumvor the Undying?

Thank you very much!

Edited by - Osieu on 06 May 2005 02:39:20
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edbonny
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  02:49:55  Show Profile  Visit edbonny's Homepage Send edbonny a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
The Krash got me all interested on the Queen of Whispers... What's she like?




Well, without spoiling too much, she's really cool - fantastic history. A fascinating fiend who works her evil from behind the scenes.

> Soneillon has nearly 4.5 pages devoted to her
> Lairs deep within the Giantspire Mts.
> epic level CR
> Helped a few kingdoms fall. Was there when Narfell fell.
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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  03:16:34  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy
So what's the dirt on Aumvor the Undying, loosely who is he and what's his history that's given. I've only heard of a brief mention of his name before and that's it.

Also, how expansive is the material on the Elder Eternal Evils and the archfiends that get presented?
Do you want hints or spoilers?

A few hints:

He's pretty old.
In fact, he is undying.
Lives in the High Forrest.
Has a cool history--a lot of history.
Really, really corpulent.
I am pretty sure he speaks Loross.
Turn-ons: Silver-haired beauties, tapestries, heirlooms, gorgon's blood & zombies.
Turn-offs: Dying, giant fungi, & Grimnosthtasdrano.

By the way, the Elder Eternal Evils are all richly detailed, comparable to what was in Powers & Pantheons. And they have 3.5 stats.

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The Sage
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EDITED: My other query on Aumvor has now also been answered, although I'll likely have another question pending...

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The Sage
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And I did...

Does CoR detail any changes to the line-up of the Vel'Nikeryma of the Eldreth Veluuthra -- aside from the changes we learned about in Lords of Darkness?

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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  04:32:00  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Does CoR detail any changes to the line-up of the Vel'Nikeryma of the Eldreth Veluuthra -- aside from the changes we learned about in Lords of Darkness?
Hmmm... A change? Yes. It seems that Tordynnar's name is no longer to be found among the Vel'Nikeryma

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The Sage
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Interesting.

So who replaced him? Another baelnorn perhaps...

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The Sage
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And here's another -

The 'Vengeance Knight' PrC... Is it a class devoted to Hoar? A vengeful demon or devil? An arch-devil or demonlord...

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Gray Richardson
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They are enforcers for an evil organization in the Shining South. They might more appropriately be called Vengeance Knights of the Shield.
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