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Alaundo
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Posted - 16 Nov 2004 :  10:55:56  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Well met

Please discuss herein the upcoming Realms tome, Champions of Ruin. Eric L Boyd is one of the authors of the product, please pen any questions herein (if you're permitted to discuss this presently of course, Eric).

Eric, what level of information and coverage can we expect to see for evil fiends and organizations? Which organizations will be covered in this product?

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Tamsar
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My question would be:

How much benefit will this book be to people that already own Book of Vile Darkness? As from the blurb about the book it seems to cover a lot of the same topics as this book?

Ok thats an assumption on my part, as nothing about the book beyond that short description at wizards is known (by me at least anyway :D ).

Having said that as your a contributor to this book I'll be buying it anyway, as your previous books ahve all been pretty damn good.


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ericlboyd
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Posted - 16 Nov 2004 :  13:58:12  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's way too early for me to comment on this book, plus I don't know all that much about it, but what I've seen looked very interesting. I actually contributed far more to Lost Empires.

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Posted - 16 Nov 2004 :  14:54:01  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

It's way too early for me to comment on this book, plus I don't know all that much about it, but what I've seen looked very interesting. I actually contributed far more to Lost Empires.

--Eric



Well met

Aye, well ye certainly know which scroll to open up, Eric

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Posted - 16 Nov 2004 :  15:14:17  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

It's way too early for me to comment on this book, plus I don't know all that much about it, but what I've seen looked very interesting. I actually contributed far more to Lost Empires.

--Eric

Understandably, Mr. Baker didn't confirm or deny what I'm about to ask you, when I last asked him upon news of this product first coming to light. And, even considering what you've said above Mr. Boyd, I must still chance the possibility that maybe you'll provide some snippet of information... even just a general "yes or no"...

Anyways... will Eltab be receiving any treatment in this tome?

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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Nov 2004 :  02:58:28  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Anyways... will Eltab be receiving any treatment in this tome?




Rich Baker noted this on the WotC Message Boards:

"Sorry, turns out I was wrong about Tyranthraxus and the rest of the Seven Lost Gods. Looks like they didn't make it in (as with many Realms books, The Book That Shall Not Yet Be Named had too many words for the pages available). I know for sure that Eltab, Malkizid, and Bazim-Gorag are in, as well as an Impiltur/Demonlands fiendish personage whose name I forget (it's not Orcus), and there may be one or two I'm not remembering."

So it looks like you are in luck!

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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 26 Nov 2004 :  08:14:47  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am very much looking forward to this book. I am hoping to find all sorts of Realmslore within those pages regarding the fiends and planes of the Realms.

I am also wondering if the entry on Bazim-Gorag might not shed some light on the Limbo controversy. Neither the FRCS nor the PGtF made mention of Limbo, but Serpent Kingdoms made reference to it, seemingly re-canonizing the erstwhile plane.

My personal theory is that Cyric's plane of the Supreme Throne used to be called Limbo prior to 1368 when Cyric lost his divine realm in the Fugue Plane to Kelemvor. I surmise Cyric established his new divine realm in the former Limbo and renamed the whole plane his Supreme Throne in a megalomaniacal act of hubris.

But maybe the Champions of Ruin will give the true explanation--or at least hint at it.

Maybe also it will touch on whether Orcus is or is not a god in the Realms.

I have so many hopes for this book. Whether or not it answers those questions I am sure I will enjoy the lore to be found inside. I am counting the months until it hits the shelves at my local bookstore!
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Dargoth
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Posted - 26 Nov 2004 :  09:24:13  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos


Rich Baker noted this on the WotC Message Boards:

"Sorry, turns out I was wrong about Tyranthraxus and the rest of the Seven Lost Gods. Looks like they didn't make it in (as with many Realms books, The Book That Shall Not Yet Be Named had too many words for the pages available). I know for sure that Eltab, Malkizid, and Bazim-Gorag are in, as well as an Impiltur/Demonlands fiendish personage whose name I forget (it's not Orcus), and there may be one or two I'm not remembering."




or more pricely it could be said that "The book that shall not be named had to FEW pages because we cut the length of our books........"


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Gray Richardson
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Posted - 26 Nov 2004 :  22:56:10  Show Profile  Visit Gray Richardson's Homepage Send Gray Richardson a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Maybe they will be kind and post some of the excised material as a web enhancement.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 27 Nov 2004 :  06:54:55  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It would appear that WotC, at least in terms of FR products, has a policy that every release has a web enhancement also. Chances are that Champions of Ruin will be no different. I'm just wondering what the enhancement for Lost Empires will be ...

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DDH_101
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Posted - 29 Nov 2004 :  01:41:52  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Anyways... will Eltab be receiving any treatment in this tome?




Rich Baker noted this on the WotC Message Boards:

"Sorry, turns out I was wrong about Tyranthraxus and the rest of the Seven Lost Gods. Looks like they didn't make it in (as with many Realms books, The Book That Shall Not Yet Be Named had too many words for the pages available). I know for sure that Eltab, Malkizid, and Bazim-Gorag are in, as well as an Impiltur/Demonlands fiendish personage whose name I forget (it's not Orcus), and there may be one or two I'm not remembering."

So it looks like you are in luck!

-- George Krashos



Malkizid...? This isn't the same "Malkizid" who was in Forsaken House, is it? If it is, I definitely want to buy this sourcebook.

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Posted - 29 Nov 2004 :  02:56:15  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
Malkizid...? This isn't the same "Malkizid" who was in Forsaken House, is it? If it is, I definitely want to buy this sourcebook.



Yes. :) Who was also first mentioned in the Player's Guide for 3.5.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 29 Nov 2004 :  03:21:08  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ahh yes, Malkizid. A most interesting fellow indeed ...

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Dargoth
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Posted - 06 Dec 2004 :  02:13:23  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Eric can you answer one question about Champions of Ruin (its more confirming something than anything else)

PGTF was supposed to have a Fire Knife Assassin PrC in it but it was cut, Rich Baker said it would appear in a source book in 2005 now of the 3 announced source book for 05 Champions of Ruin would appear to be the most likely (The Fire Knives arent involved in Waterdeep and dont appear to be involved with any Ancient Empires or lost Civilizations)

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Dargoth
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 :  23:15:09  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We ussually get Matt Smiths "Whats coming up article" in first week of the month so hopefully we'll get our first look at CoR this week

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The Sage
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I don't think I'm going to look this one over.

I want to "feel" surprised when I finally see CoR. I've been waiting for this particular FR release a little more eagerly than I did for LEoF.

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I don't think I'm going to look this one over.

I want to "feel" surprised when I finally see CoR. I've been waiting for this particular FR release a little more eagerly than I did for LEoF.




I'm looking forward to it also as I've only seen a very small part of it. Sometime it's nice not to get too much of a sneak preview - it keeps everything new and wonderful!

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I don't think I'm going to look this one over.

I want to "feel" surprised when I finally see CoR. I've been waiting for this particular FR release a little more eagerly than I did for LEoF.




I'm looking forward to it also as I've only seen a very small part of it. Sometime it's nice not to get too much of a sneak preview - it keeps everything new and wonderful!

-- George Krashos


I'm not normally this strict on my not learning too much about an upcoming FR release, but given that the content of CoR is of special interest to me in particular... the longer I have to wait... the more I'll enjoy finally reading through it.

Or so I hope .

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Dargoth
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Well Aprils whats coming up article has abit more CoR info

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20050407a


No extracts though

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George Krashos
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The excerpt seems to indicate that one of the three new races is a draegloth? Did I read that right - it might actually be half-drow or half-demon or ... something. Hmm ...

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Dargoth
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

The excerpt seems to indicate that one of the three new races is a draegloth? Did I read that right - it might actually be half-drow or half-demon or ... something. Hmm ...

-- George Krashos




Im guessing that there using CoR as another way to reprint stuff from Monsters of Faerun in 3.5 Format, I bet ya the other 2 races are from Monsters of Faerun to

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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
Im guessing that there using CoR as another way to reprint stuff from Monsters of Faerun in 3.5 Format, I bet ya the other 2 races are from Monsters of Faerun to



Yes, one does get that sense. I'm still on the fence when it comes to CoR. I really only find myself interested in one chapter per this article's description with pershaps some mild interest in one other. The rest....

Regardless, thank you Dargoth for posting this link.
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Torkwaret
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But what races can those be ??

I am browsing through MoF even now, and the only thing I can think of is Malaugrym.

What do you think Dargoth, Sirius, people ??

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Dargoth
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Posted - 08 Apr 2005 :  23:26:01  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Dekanter Goblin
Bullywug
Siv
Malaugrym
Tainted One
Fey'ri (then again they do have a write up in ROF)
Stinger
Meazel

If I was putting my money on anything Id bet on

Drageloth
Malaugrym
Dekanter Goblin or the Fey'ri

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Wooly Rupert
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If they expand on the fey'ri, then this book will become a must have for me. The fey'ri are one of my fave races in the Realms.

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SiriusBlack
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

If they expand on the fey'ri, then this book will become a must have for me. The fey'ri are one of my fave races in the Realms.



That's pretty much the one way they can make this tome a lock for me even with my so so, at best, interest so far. The Fey'ri were fascinating to me before Richard Baker's trilogy. His work has only increased my interest.
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