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Lord Rad
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 :  12:01:59  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I'm further developing my Zhentarim\Daggerdale campaign and am looking for information on the constables of Daggerfalls. Does anybody have a list giving the time periods and names of assigned constables of the town?

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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 :  06:11:24  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I seem to recall that the Doom of Daggerdale adventure had some details on the constables. They led a foot patrol, with approximately 20 members (all of which were 0-level)

As for the names... Captains Eli Marshking and Tren are the only constables that I remember without referencing the tome in question.

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Lord Rad
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 :  11:00:31  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Sage. Tren is also the only one I remember.

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Do you require any further details concerning the constables? I now have access to the tome I mentioned earlier.

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I posted this to another thread:
quote:
?-1316 DR: Morn family rules Daggerdale
1316-1353: Malyk rules Daggerdale (after the fall of Teshendale) until slain by Randal
1353?-13xx: Tren Noemfor constable of Dagger Falls (FRQ3)
13xx-1369: Guthbert Golthammer second and last constable of Dagger Falls, Ilthond (from Spellfire) his Zhentarim superior
1369: Randal Morn regains Daggerdale
The FRCS dates Daggerdale's fall to 1336 DR, which Ed has clarified as "the most definitive and complete occupation of the dale, wherein the Zhents established laws and enforcement, built roads and fortifications, and dwelt everywhere (as opposed to establishing on-road guardposts and garrisons and raiding the dale continuously from them)".
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Do you have any dates surrounding Captain Eli Marshking as well, Faraer?

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No, and he doesn't ring a bell -- from FRQ3? I doubt he's in more sources than the one you found him in.
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Yes, that's right.

Anyway, I've just quickly checked over the relevant sourcebooks. He doesn't appear to have been mentioned elsewhere.

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Lord Rad
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Posted - 04 Jul 2004 :  10:38:33  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Sage. I have my Daggerdale resources to hand now though so ill be going through them later to see what I can dig up on the constables (amongst other things).

Daggerdale is my favorite Dalelands area, I wish WotC would release a more detailed product for the area

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I've always had a soft spot for Daggerdale as well. It was part of the reason why I first selected the Dalelands as part of the 'Current Clack' project, which now appears to have run out of steam. I'm still working on my submissions though...

Anyway, if you come across any information pertaining to Eli Marshking, let me know...

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webmanus
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 :  01:16:43  Show Profile  Visit webmanus's Homepage Send webmanus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi folks!

My current thoughts ... any comments?

The Rulers of Daggerdale
Year    Ruler
xxxx -- xxxx Colderan Morn
xxxx -- xxxx Flars Morn
1336 -- 1353 Lord Malyk of Daggerdale
1353 -- 1366 Constable Tren Noemfor
1366 -- 1369 Constable Guthbert Golthammer
1369 -- xxxx    Lord Randal Morn

However, according to The Moonsea (1995), Guthbert Golthammer is located in Teshwave 1367 DR.

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Elrond Half Elven
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Posted - 12 Aug 2005 :  14:13:02  Show Profile  Visit Elrond Half Elven's Homepage Send Elrond Half Elven a Private Message  Reply with Quote
According to the FRCS (1993- grey box):

"Currently Guthbert [Golthammer] heads a mercenary force of over 2000 soldiers based in ruined Teshwave who are battling the rebel forces of Randal Morn in the Daggerdale area."[Year of the Shield ending 1367, Year of the banner Starting 1368] -Running the Realms pp35

In The Return of Randal Morn (1995), however Guthbert Golthammer is cleary presented the Constable of Daggerfalls. An interesting point is Guthbert has also lost a few levels in RoRM (3 to be exact) perhaps this is in the interest of scaling the adventure?

Incidently what (realms) year did RoRM take place in? (Presumably 1369?)

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quote:
Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven

Incidently what (realms) year did RoRM take place in? (Presumably 1369?)
Yes, Morn reclaims the throne in 1369 DR.

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Misericordia
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  14:19:39  Show Profile  Visit Misericordia's Homepage Send Misericordia a Private Message  Reply with Quote
According to a timeline, Colderan Morn in 1267/Year of the Groaning Cart was ruler of Daggerdale.

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webmanus
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  18:36:19  Show Profile  Visit webmanus's Homepage Send webmanus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmmm, I should update my post here ... with my view ... however, Misericordia, which timeline? Could you please add a link or some more details? By the way, great of you to updated this post. Long live Daggerdale!

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Hi webmanus,
the link is http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_12.html.

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webmanus
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Posted - 13 Aug 2005 :  20:36:29  Show Profile  Visit webmanus's Homepage Send webmanus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
OK, thanks. I have been there. Pretty nice site. I assume that theyr have "estimated" that date as the rest of us, that is, decide when Doom of Daggerdale takes place and then go back 100 years.

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ErskineF
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Posted - 15 Jan 2009 :  05:24:40  Show Profile  Visit ErskineF's Homepage Send ErskineF a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bumping this up in order to ask a few questions.

In what product is Flars Morn mentioned? Is he Randal's father, or grandfather?

(Edit: Skip that one. I found it in "So Saith Ed.")

Who was Captain Eli Marshking? Where is he mentioned?

Did Malyk inhabit Castle Daggerdale after ousting the Morn family, or did he live in Dagger Falls?

When was Castle Daggerdale gutted by fire? When the Morn family was ousted, or when Malyk was slain? Or some other time?


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Edited by - ErskineF on 15 Jan 2009 06:34:17
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