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Kentinal
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Posted - 02 Jun 2008 :  04:28:28  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Paul Kemp indicated that editors directed that he could not kill some characters in the War of the Spider Queen series, my question for you is were you given an editorial directive to kill certain deities and/or some characters?

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore

USA
1537 Posts

Posted - 10 Jun 2008 :  12:38:31  Show Profile  Visit Jamallo Kreen's Homepage Send Jamallo Kreen a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now that all three books of The Lady Penitent are out, will someone please give me a straight answer to this question: do the last two books require us to "buy into" the money-grubbing horrors which Hasbro is inflicting on the Forgotten Realms this year?

I found the disposition of various protagonists at the end of the WotSQ to be interesting, but I am extremely reluctant to buy novels in which authors whose previous books I have enjoyed try to lead me down a primrose path to blissful acceptance of whatever may come my way, such as Hasbro trying to get me to subsidize the 25% pay raise their three-months-on-the-job CEO just received. We all know how well "following your bliss" worked out for Halisstra Melarn!






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Lord Karsus
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USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 :  15:13:27  Show Profile  Send Lord Karsus an AOL message Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

Now that all three books of The Lady Penitent are out, will someone please give me a straight answer to this question: do the last two books require us to "buy into" the money-grubbing horrors which Hasbro is inflicting on the Forgotten Realms this year?


-No.

(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)

Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2008 :  16:17:07  Show Profile  Visit Rinonalyrna Fathomlin's Homepage Send Rinonalyrna Fathomlin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen

Now that all three books of The Lady Penitent are out, will someone please give me a straight answer to this question: do the last two books require us to "buy into" the money-grubbing horrors which Hasbro is inflicting on the Forgotten Realms this year?



Not sure what you're asking here?

I will say this--there's a lot of deicide going on, and I have the feeling--based on your stated feelings about the recent changes to the FR setting--that you will NOT enjoy these books.


"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time)
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The Black Glove
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Posted - 21 Jun 2008 :  19:54:39  Show Profile  Visit The Black Glove's Homepage Send The Black Glove a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I do have to wonder if Lisa will be at GenCon Indy this year.
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Zanan
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Germany
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 :  01:53:18  Show Profile  Visit Zanan's Homepage Send Zanan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There sure is lots of lore to be found in the trilogy, old and new. Some might not be as we would want it, but the amount of work spent on research on the Promenade, Undermountain, The Pit of Ghanadaur, the monsters et al must have been enormous. ... Especially if you take into consideration that the FR will for some time to come not see much more lore support like this.

Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!

Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!

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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore

Germany
1719 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2008 :  10:28:13  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Black Glove

I do have to wonder if Lisa will be at GenCon Indy this year.


Lisa has not shown herself around these halls very often in the last years (last post from 27 Jan 2006). So you might want to contect her with your query directly via her homepage. Good luck and you might want to report back if you get an answer as other scribes might be interested in this as well.

Ergdusch

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."

Edited by - Ergdusch on 22 Jun 2008 10:32:16
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore

Germany
1719 Posts

Posted - 22 Jun 2008 :  10:33:26  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan

There sure is lots of lore to be found in the trilogy, old and new. Some might not be as we would want it, but the amount of work spent on research on the Promenade, Undermountain, The Pit of Ghanadaur, the monsters et al must have been enormous. ... Especially if you take into consideration that the FR will for some time to come not see much more lore support like this.


This was very helpful! Thanks!


"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."
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Alystra Illianniis
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USA
3747 Posts

Posted - 04 Oct 2010 :  08:31:45  Show Profile  Click to see Alystra Illianniis's MSN Messenger address Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm, now that the books have been out for a while, does anyone have any thoughts about the ending? Theories, rants, likes, or whatever? I'm thinking maybe the Dancer might not be as dead as Lolth would like to think. Hee's my thoughts- When Kiaransalee "Died", she withered, turned to ash or whatever, and faded out of existence. Ghaunadaur was trapped in his own pit of madness and his followers went with him. Selvatarm also faded into the astral as a dead god. Vaerhaun was killed and subsumed by Eilistraee.

Now, call me crazy, but when a deity takes possession of a mortal follower, that is not the deity themselves, but an Avatar, correct? It was done ad infinitum during the Time of Troubles. ALL the gods became Avatars. And if an Avatar's host body is killed, does that not simply release the godly power back to it's source? Then WHY did killing Qiluae also supposedly kill Eilistraee?! I know it's supposed to be a god-slaying sword, but that's stretching credibility too far. For one thing, as Mystra has shown during the ToT, no MORTAL- even a powerful Chosen- can contain a deity's ENTIRE being. Not even for a little while. She'd have to have left something behind, even if she intended Qiluae to be her literal incarnation.

And the fact that she did not fade, wither, crumble to dust, etc, but simply vanished (as in disappeared?) leads me to think that she may have let Lolth THINK she is dead. After all, she now has Vaerhaun's portfolio of shadows and illusions. She colud easily fake her death to lull the Spider-Witch into thinking she was gone. The fact that her Realm remained intact (and separate from Corellon's) might mean she is still around somewhere, maybe hiding inside her father. (Or in Lolth's own shadow?) And I really find it hard to swallow that Hallistra would not have been able to see through the ruse Lolth used at the end, I mean really- she might have gone a little insane, but she was hardly stupid. Anyone could have seen through that dumb ploy. Hacking off the head of your ONE chance at salvation? After she has already SAID she will welcome you back?! That's just stupid, and that should not have worked.

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Sandstorm
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Canada
80 Posts

Posted - 30 Oct 2010 :  05:15:25  Show Profile  Visit Sandstorm's Homepage  Click to see Sandstorm's MSN Messenger address Send Sandstorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Lisa. Picked up "House of Serpents" Trilogy a month or so ago, but it had to travel through a few friends hands before it got to me as I had a few books on the "to read list". As interested as I was to read it, I apologize... Salvatore's "Gauntlgrym" comes first :P haha.

I started reading last night, and I only got to the part where Azrin meets back up with the Yuan-Ti female in the Mortal Coil, and she attempts to give him up to the Militia-men. So far though, very impressed with your use of language and writing style, and I can't wait to lay in bed tonight so that I can pick back up. One of my main intrigues thus far in Azrin, is his ability to be pro, and faulty at the same time. You know he's good. He's quick, he's witty, he's astute, he knows how to use that crazy lil dagger... but it doesn't mean he can't slip up, and he WILL slip up.
How accurate is my account of him thus far?
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore

Germany
1719 Posts

Posted - 29 Mar 2013 :  17:10:51  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know that Lisa is not showing herself around these halls very often. However, I just wanted to pass on much needed credit for a very enjoyabel tale I just read.

"The Gilded Rune"

I read it strait through, started this morning finishing just minutes ago! A great tale of adventure, magic and lore wonderfully told.
I can only repeat Mr. Ed Greenwood himself with the following words: "I love this book!"

Thank you very much, Lisa.

Ergdusch

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."
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Regcod
Seeker

Italy
28 Posts

Posted - 03 Jun 2014 :  08:44:27  Show Profile Send Regcod a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Hmm, now that the books have been out for a while, does anyone have any thoughts about the ending? Theories, rants, likes, or whatever? I'm thinking maybe the Dancer might not be as dead as Lolth would like to think. Hee's my thoughts- When Kiaransalee "Died", she withered, turned to ash or whatever, and faded out of existence. Ghaunadaur was trapped in his own pit of madness and his followers went with him. Selvatarm also faded into the astral as a dead god. Vaerhaun was killed and subsumed by Eilistraee.

Now, call me crazy, but when a deity takes possession of a mortal follower, that is not the deity themselves, but an Avatar, correct? It was done ad infinitum during the Time of Troubles. ALL the gods became Avatars. And if an Avatar's host body is killed, does that not simply release the godly power back to it's source? Then WHY did killing Qiluae also supposedly kill Eilistraee?! I know it's supposed to be a god-slaying sword, but that's stretching credibility too far. For one thing, as Mystra has shown during the ToT, no MORTAL- even a powerful Chosen- can contain a deity's ENTIRE being. Not even for a little while. She'd have to have left something behind, even if she intended Qiluae to be her literal incarnation.

And the fact that she did not fade, wither, crumble to dust, etc, but simply vanished (as in disappeared?) leads me to think that she may have let Lolth THINK she is dead. After all, she now has Vaerhaun's portfolio of shadows and illusions. She colud easily fake her death to lull the Spider-Witch into thinking she was gone. The fact that her Realm remained intact (and separate from Corellon's) might mean she is still around somewhere, maybe hiding inside her father. (Or in Lolth's own shadow?) And I really find it hard to swallow that Hallistra would not have been able to see through the ruse Lolth used at the end, I mean really- she might have gone a little insane, but she was hardly stupid. Anyone could have seen through that dumb ploy. Hacking off the head of your ONE chance at salvation? After she has already SAID she will welcome you back?! That's just stupid, and that should not have worked.



This is an old but really interesting post. Eilistraee departure look liked too much 'easy' and realtively 'quick' to me, letting open many ways ;)
And what about her followers? At the end they 'converted' themselves to another deities or continued to worship her?

"Sweet water and light laughter until next we meet."
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