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Eldacar
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Posted - 29 Dec 2021 :  00:15:35  Show Profile Send Eldacar a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
As a quick question about the Starym clan, are or were there any known half-elves born into the Starym bloodline in published lore? My own search didnít turn up any names, but others here may have a greater library of knowledge to draw on than I do.

I would imagine, given the supremely conservative and generally anti-human (or anti-anythingnotelf?) attitudes of the Starym, that any such half-elves would be immediately deemed illegitimate (so none actually ďkept withinĒ the clan proper; more likely Khelbenís childhood as Arunís Son 2.0 except possibly with more abuse) and probably cast out as soon as they and the unfortunate parent(s) were discovered, but Iím wondering if there are some actual known instances of it happening all the same.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 29 Dec 2021 :  01:38:33  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No known instances. But I'm sure there are some. Don't forget, the bloodline of Josidiah Starym likely escaped the fall of Myth Drannor and mingled with the world around it.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Dec 2021 :  02:31:25  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd suspect that aside from Josidiah Starym's line, the rest of the Starym wouldn't deign to interact with "lesser" races and that Starym half-elves would be exceedingly rare -- and likely disowned before birth, at the very least.

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Eldacar
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Posted - 29 Dec 2021 :  15:59:46  Show Profile Send Eldacar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the quick answers! I hadnít considered Josidiah or even that he might have had others in his bloodline. But perhaps sadly not through Aravae, at least, unless something happened during those two decades she was adventuring with him.

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TBeholder
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Posted - 05 Jan 2022 :  10:22:33  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Depends on the attitudes? It's a big clan.
quote:
Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves
(p.40)
523 Year of Trials Arcane
Younger moon elven members of the Starym
clan return from Eaerlann, Illefarn, and else-
where to Myth Drannor. Their arrival restores
House Starym as a social power in the city, and
the new arrivals usurp the House lordship, as its
heir Josidiah Starym is absent on a quest.
(p.118)
...after the Opening, nearly the entire clan aban-
doned Myth Drannor entirely, though one family fourth in line
to the House remained with its gold and moon elf brood to try
and repair the House's honor. Within a few short decades, the
unreproachable honor of Taleisin and Josidiah Starym gave the
house greater respectability among the Coronal's Court than it
had in centuries.

Thus not only it was a mixed (Gold/Silver) House, but even in Cormanthyr there were at least 4 distinct families of them, and at least 4 branches elsewhere that moved in. Plus those who didn't (it's not explicitly stated one way or another, but probably someone would stay behind).
They are unlikely to be all in complete agreement on, well, just about anything.
Amount of hot-headedness and arrogance may vary greatly. Not everyone had the same habits even in the Old Cormanthan branch before mythal.
I mean, even Uldreiyn Starym said that armed temper tantrum in the palace was shameful. Some of them needed to be told this, others may be further to the other side in their attitudes.
They somehow had Josidiah, too. Presumably (as the older bladesinger) Taleisin was his teacher, and the views of a veteran like him are likely to differ from that of city snobs or noisy "ardavanshee".
Even those who need to blame someone for everything that went wrong with their family have a choice: Eltargrim, humans, rival families who didn't let them prove their worth and rise again this or that time, or their own relatives who were too full of themselves.
And after Myth Drannor fell, all this was somewhat less important (if occasionally inconvenient, such as the feud with Orbryn), they all became refugees.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

Don't forget, the bloodline of Josidiah Starym likely escaped the fall of Myth Drannor
Wait... I thought Josidiah was missing-presumed-dead in The Battle of Stars Shining? And there was not even a hint that he stopped mourning for Aravae and found someone before that?
quote:
Fall of Myth Drannor
The fires claimed Josidiah and the Artblade as well, as no
trace of him or the great sword remained when the blaze died
down enough to approach where he stood!

People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch

Edited by - TBeholder on 05 Jan 2022 10:56:33
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Jan 2022 :  14:59:53  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder


quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Don't forget, the bloodline of Josidiah Starym likely escaped the fall of Myth Drannor
Wait... I thought Josidiah was missing-presumed-dead in The Battle of Stars Shining? And there was not even a hint that he stopped mourning for Aravae and found someone before that?
quote:
Fall of Myth Drannor
The fires claimed Josidiah and the Artblade as well, as no
trace of him or the great sword remained when the blaze died
down enough to approach where he stood!




Just because Josidiah himself fell, it doesn't mean he didn't have surviving family -- parents, siblings, even potentially his own offspring.

If I was going to do anything with a non-evil Starym, I'd likely either have Josidiah secretly wedding shortly before Myth Drannor's fall, or maybe he had at least one illegitimate offspring.

Keep in mind, also, that Steven Schend is a fan of the principal that if there's no body, then death is not certain. While Josidiah's failure to turn up anywhere else, later, is a very strong argument for his death, it's possible that neither he nor the blade were found because some magic whisked them elsewhere. I'm not aware of anything that supports that idea, other than the fact it would take a very hot fire indeed to destroy a sword without leaving any traces behind.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 05 Jan 2022 :  16:00:21  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Keep in mind, also, that Steven Schend is a fan of the principal that if there's no body, then death is not certain. While Josidiah's failure to turn up anywhere else, later, is a very strong argument for his death, it's possible that neither he nor the blade were found because some magic whisked them elsewhere. I'm not aware of anything that supports that idea, other than the fact it would take a very hot fire indeed to destroy a sword without leaving any traces behind.



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