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cpthero2
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Posted - 21 Nov 2020 :  06:20:42  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Fellow scribes,

Interesting news in the Courts of Tyr!

WotC is being sued by Margaret Weis LLC and Tracy Hickman, for alleged breach of contract. The first link is the actual filing in District Court, that way there is no interpretation about the filing. The second one is a news article about the issue.



A possibly telling excerpt from the news article is,
quote:
The lawsuit also states that Weis and Hickman, as they were writing Dragons of Deceit, had complied with several requests from Wizards that “proposed certain changes in keeping with the modern-day zeitgeist of a more inclusive and diverse story-world,” which Wizards was entitled to do by the terms of their licensing agreement. Weis and Hickman claim in the suit to have carried out all of Wizards’s requested rewrites, including one that reportedly took 70 pages to resolve, over issues that included the story’s use of love potions, certain characters’ names having negative connotations, and unspecified matters of inclusivity.


Interesting news issue!

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Posted - 28 Nov 2020 :  08:33:15  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fellow Scribes,

I wanted to add this video I watched: it's pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCyIamwg6tg

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George Krashos
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Posted - 29 Nov 2020 :  09:40:51  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They are being sued by Galeforce 9 now as well.

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Posted - 29 Nov 2020 :  18:13:52  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Master Krashos,

Indeed you are correct. I posted in the news section here as well about that, at:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23761

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cpthero2
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Posted - 20 Dec 2020 :  03:52:10  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Big update!

https://www.enworld.org/threads/dragonlance-lawsuit-dismissed-without-prejudice.677145/

The lawsuit was dismissed without prejudice!

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cpthero2
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Posted - 20 Dec 2020 :  03:54:27  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here is a copy of the dismissal order: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.290953/gov.uscourts.wawd.290953.4.0_1.pdf

If I had to guess: a pretty big concession was made by WotC. I could be wrong, but that is my guess, in light of it being dismissed without prejudice.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Dec 2020 :  04:13:03  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I should think this part is of greater interest to folks, rather than the without prejudice part:

"In this case it was voluntarily dismissed by Weis & Hickman. We can only guess why; perhaps a settlement occurred? In any case, Margaret Weis tweeted, thanking people for their support, and hinting at exciting news to come."

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cpthero2
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Posted - 20 Dec 2020 :  05:16:21  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Master Rupert,

It very likely will be for most people. It's all part and parcel, but the fact that they can take it back to court at their leisure is big news. That seems to mean that Weis & Hickman have them by the balls.

My personal preference would have been to see Weis & Hickman salt the earth with WotC. I'd love to watch that stack of c**p get it's due. That book has been checked out since........ forever, and the fine needs payin'. ;)

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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 21 Dec 2020 :  01:53:07  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My guess is simply that WotC relented and the books will now go forward.

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Posted - 21 Dec 2020 :  20:21:49  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great Reader Darden,

Well, it seems apparent that WotC relented. How simple it was I think is up in the air. A dismissal without prejudice, based upon the likely requested dismissal from Weis and Hickman is meaning that they really had WotC over a barrel with something significant. My guess would be something about the nature of their work arrangement, and the other bit being that WotC didn't want the actual details coming out in discovery about the specific reasons for the (70) pages of changes that WotC had them make. That likely would have been preposterously embarrassing to WotC.

Again, just conjecture on my part there, but I think in absence of something else I am not considering, the most likely.

I would have loved to attained and read all of that discovery and especially the information about those changes, which I am certain were part and parcel of the disagreement.

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cpthero2
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Posted - 22 Dec 2020 :  17:49:16  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As I expected the claim from Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman to be, the denials from WotC were based upon,
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The suit also claimed that Wizards of the Coast terminated the Licensing Agreement because Wizards of the Coast “was embroiled in a series of embarrassing public disputes whereby its non-Dragonlance publications were excoriated for racism and sexism.” https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/12/21/margaret-weis-and-tracy-hickmans-dragonlance-lawsuit-against-wizards-of-the-coast-dismissed-without-prejudice/
.

WotC clearly backed down in the end, even allowing the dismissal without prejudice to occur.

Looks like that would have been a juicy Discovery that WotC, seemingly, wisely ran from.

Sounds like a ticking time bomb to me.

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