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Irennan
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Posted - 30 Jul 2020 :  21:38:43  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They definitely aren't. Especially because RAS didn't create them, nor I'm going to believe he was planning this since the Dark Elf or Legacy plotline.

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sno4wy
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Posted - 30 Jul 2020 :  23:12:07  Show Profile Send sno4wy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Wasn't Drizzt the one who killed Dinin?



Yes, but I guess Dinin then went to Lolth's realm as a drider soul and came back with all the other driders. Not really sure why he went to the afterlife as a drider rather than a drow, or why his soul would take either form though.
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sno4wy
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I think I saw someone asking if Ghaunadaur was mentioned, but I can't find the post anymore. The answer though is that none of the members of the Dark Seldarine other than Lolth is mentioned, alluded to, or have their existence acknowledged at all.
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Gyor
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Posted - 31 Jul 2020 :  04:22:07  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild


Though I really wish others would come back and write. Or WoTC(Hasbro?) Would allow them.



The problem is WotC. WotC doesn't care to do novels anymore. Part of it is a "we're not a novel company" mentality, but I think another part is their clear desire to not have any lore that isn't explicitly related to the current adventure path.

A lot of authors would be happy to write more for WotC, but WotC isn't asking them.



The current Dragon+ magazine has a survey with one of the questions what kind of product would you like to see more of and novels are one of the options of if you'd like to see WotC get back into the novel business I suggest everyone do the survey.
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Gyor
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Posted - 31 Jul 2020 :  04:39:17  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by Lilianviaten

quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

This came from the same guy who branded all orcs as "mindless, savage beasts who can never make kingdoms because they're evulz" and destroyed Many-Arrows just for pandering a few old fans who are resistant to change, so I remain a bit skeptical. In a year or so they will revert this event again just to pander the old fans again.




In fairness to RAS, I don't recall much depiction of orcs in FR sourcebooks or novels as anything other than stupid, ugly, evil cannon fodder for adventurers.

Look at all the info we have on the past kingdoms and achievements of the elves, dwarves, humans, dragons, illithids, etc. We don't have that with the orcs.



2e created a whole alternative culture of agrarian orcs worshippers of Eldath, called Ondonti. The you have the orcs who now live in Thek and peacefully coexist with humans. But destroying Many Arrows and showing that orcs are inherently evil (which led to the nursery scene) wasn't on RAS, that I know. It was one of those totally idiotic WotC decison, similar to Lady Penitent, that they doggedly push because of some personal bias, and then proceed to utterly retcon when they do realize how stupid those decisions were.



Like when WotC decided early on in 5e that all Gnolls were completely evil, almost demonic, in contravention of all Gnoll lore (not all Gnolls are evil).

WotC appears to be back tracking on this hard, for alot of reasons. We know in November there is a major source book coming out and in it they are making changes to races and retreating away from always evil or even evil inclined races, among many things. Unfortunately they also tied this to real world politics so that will end up over shadowing all the other reasons they had to do this. Such as alot of new fans coming from MMO backgrounds were Orcs/Drow aren't always the bad guys and are playable, to Magic the Gathering settings getting the D&D treatment were races don't have inheriant alignments, but rather preferred "colours", among others.
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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by sno4wy

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dinin? Wasn't he the elder brother that slew the eldest brother? How did he come back? (I thought he'd been turned into a drider or something -- though it's been many years since I touched any of those books)



Yes, Dinin was the secondborn male of the Do'Urden household, who killed Nalfein so that he could be elderboy. Vierna turned Dinin into a drider, but in Relentless, all the drow who were ever driderfied were brought from Lolth's domain into the Prime to assist Zhindia in her surface conquest. All of these driders were turned back into drow by Quenthel and Yvonnel 2.0 with the assistance of the memories of Yvonnel 1.0, and among them was Dinin.



Wait, I'm reading this and trying to make sense o what happened... so every drow EVER created were brought to the prime material and then turned back into drow? I'm going to assume that this only applies to FR driders, but does this essentially mean no more driders on Toril at all?

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Gyor
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Posted - 31 Jul 2020 :  14:08:58  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by sno4wy

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dinin? Wasn't he the elder brother that slew the eldest brother? How did he come back? (I thought he'd been turned into a drider or something -- though it's been many years since I touched any of those books)



Yes, Dinin was the secondborn male of the Do'Urden household, who killed Nalfein so that he could be elderboy. Vierna turned Dinin into a drider, but in Relentless, all the drow who were ever driderfied were brought from Lolth's domain into the Prime to assist Zhindia in her surface conquest. All of these driders were turned back into drow by Quenthel and Yvonnel 2.0 with the assistance of the memories of Yvonnel 1.0, and among them was Dinin.



Wait, I'm reading this and trying to make sense o what happened... so every drow EVER created were brought to the prime material and then turned back into drow? I'm going to assume that this only applies to FR driders, but does this essentially mean no more driders on Toril at all?



It was a bunch of Driders from the Drow afterlife, not all Driders, not all Driders in the afterlife either. There would still be Driders in other parts of the underdark and the in the demonweb pits.
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 31 Jul 2020 :  18:42:04  Show Profile Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lilianviaten



6) The descriptions of all the metaphysical aspects (Entreri in the cocoon, Drizzt and Afafrenfere ascending, etc.) were amazing.




Amazing, but a bit out of place. I'll give a snippet from the review I made about this:

The “one with everything” concept was neat in some ways. I also liked Yvonnel’s declaration that souls were energy, and thus could not be destroyed. This is something I have thought about, myself. When you become “one with everything”, you, from my understanding, do not entirely lose a sense of self, but become part of a greater whole. Reminds me somewhat of the Planescape model, in which a petitioner eventually either becomes one with their god or plane, but maintains a sense of identity. It’s a “perfected form”, one could say. But where does this leave the realm of the gods? The souls from the dagger were released into the multiverse (I was vaguely reminded of His Dark Materials and Earthsea here), but what Afa experienced was also a place between life and death. It was a bit confusing, and maybe it was meant to be, but that also meant it was a bit frustrating. I would have loved these scenes to be longer, but they were all crammed in at the end.
We also have the appearance of Charon/Sharon, an entity who has appeared occasionally in the Realms before, but isn’t too prominent. In this scene, a binary, Judeo-Christian take on heaven and hell is given (granted, this could be metaphorical, but to me, it seemed to be both). As there are many options for an afterlife in the Realms, one could see this as a simplification of the “heavenly” realms (Celestia, Arvandor, House of Nature, etc), and more “hellish” realms (Banehold, the Abyss, the Nine Hells themselves, etc), or if it really was a heaven/hell as western readers would understand it. If it’s the latter, then that begs the question of whether this was Bob being Bob, or if WotC/Hasbro is making moves to further simplify the cosmology. There has been talk of removing alignment, at least with mortals, and so maybe your fate is based on choices—but, that was already true, as you went to the realm—and god---that was best aligned with your ethics. I am all for redemption arcs, but Entreri was already heading in that direction. It felt rushed—in fact, much of the last quarter of the book felt rushed.

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sno4wy
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Posted - 01 Aug 2020 :  01:45:39  Show Profile Send sno4wy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor
It was a bunch of Driders from the Drow afterlife, not all Driders, not all Driders in the afterlife either. There would still be Driders in other parts of the underdark and the in the demonweb pits.



Yes to only the driders in the afterlife that were in Lolth's domain, no living driders are affected. That said, where was it stated that it wasn't all of them?
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Firestorm
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Posted - 01 Aug 2020 :  20:23:48  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by Lilianviaten

6) The descriptions of all the metaphysical aspects (Entreri in the cocoon, Drizzt and Afafrenfere ascending, etc.) were amazing.



Yeah, but the whole concept behind the cocoon was just Chirstian Hell and Heaven--which has no place in FR--though, and Artemis being "redeemed" (lol) because he's scared to go to Hell is... underwhelming?

quote:
7) This idea of Lolth not caring about her followers seems odd to me. She meddles intensely in their lives and definitely plays favorites. For instance, she has been determined to keep House Baenre at the top of her hierarchy, interceding many times to bestow special favor upon members of that house (stopping Olodra from taking over during the Time of Troubles, returning Quenthel to life, granting Yvonnel exceptional powers, temporarily making Liriel her Chosen, etc.).



This has been canon since forever, and the drow should have noticed this millennia ago, as I expained in another post. The only reason they didn't is because the justification behind their worldbuilding is "because I say so". Lolth has never cared about her followers, she only cares that they're bound to her. Certain books depict her as a straight limitation to the drow. Being a control freak doesn't mean caring, it only means wanting others to bend to your whims. It's also canon that she's always enjoyed seeing her followers rushing to do whatever they think she wants done in order to get her favor, and fighting each other without understanding anything of what's going on. Hating each other, torturing each other, making each other miserable. She stands for strife--not chaos--and I'm glad RAS has finally acknowledged it. Though, as I said, it happened far too late.

Lolth doesn't know the thoughts of her followers either; for example, she can't even prevent Eilistraee from communicating with them, and she can't understand when a priestess is a Masked Traitor of Vhaeraun.

As for the creation of Yvonnel, Lolth is often shown to be short-sighted, engaging in stuff that is bigger than her and that is bound to fail from the beginning (see the Weave thingy--or really, all her plans to invade the surface or conquer anything. ALL of them ultimately failed). Maybe she thought she could control Yvonnel, then stuff didn't turn out like she wanted.



Every time I see Shakti Hunruzin I wonder if they will ever reveal she is a high priestess of vharaun and how his death and resurrection affected her. His power was supposedly what shielded her mind enough that Lloth could not know
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Firestorm
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Posted - 01 Aug 2020 :  20:26:03  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lilianviaten

quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

This came from the same guy who branded all orcs as "mindless, savage beasts who can never make kingdoms because they're evulz" and destroyed Many-Arrows just for pandering a few old fans who are resistant to change, so I remain a bit skeptical. In a year or so they will revert this event again just to pander the old fans again.




In fairness to RAS, I don't recall much depiction of orcs in FR sourcebooks or novels as anything other than stupid, ugly, evil cannon fodder for adventurers.

Look at all the info we have on the past kingdoms and achievements of the elves, dwarves, humans, dragons, illithids, etc. We don't have that with the orcs.



The orcs in "crusade " were a cut above the norm. Military disciplined zhent followers of cyric. Still crude and evil, but they worked side by side with azoun and the alliance and fought with honor to destroy the Tuigan horde
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Irennan
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Posted - 01 Aug 2020 :  21:15:01  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

Every time I see Shakti Hunruzin I wonder if they will ever reveal she is a high priestess of vharaun and how his death and resurrection affected her. His power was supposedly what shielded her mind enough that Lloth could not know



I wouldn't hold my breath.

The way Ed explained the Eilistraee&Vhaeraunt thing, however, allows for some of their magic to still work duyring the Spellplague era. In short, according to Ed, when Vhaeraun attacked Eilistraee, she spared him. She defeated him with the help of Mystra, and trapped his consciousness in a Weave dream (while borrowing his portfolio) as part of a plan with Mystra to ensure that all 3 (and a few other) would survive the Spellplague and all the bad events that were coming (and Mystra had foreseen).

When Qilué was killed, she turned into a Weaveghost, bringing much of Eilistraee's power (and so Vhaeraun's too) into the Weave. After the Weave was stranded, that power remained trapped there for a century or so. However, in the meanwhile, Eilistraee--while nearly powerless--could still communicate with people and even cast magic if she sent a manifestation in the specific place.

So, maybe she still had the magic that Vhaeraun used to shield the minds of his Masked Traitors from Lolth, and kept shielding them?

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PattPlays
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quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

Every time I see Shakti Hunruzin I wonder if they will ever reveal she is a high priestess of vharaun and how his death and resurrection affected her. His power was supposedly what shielded her mind enough that Lloth could not know



I wouldn't hold my breath.

The way Ed explained the Eilistraee&Vhaeraunt thing, however, allows for some of their magic to still work duyring the Spellplague era. In short, according to Ed, when Vhaeraun attacked Eilistraee, she spared him. She defeated him with the help of Mystra, and trapped his consciousness in a Weave dream (while borrowing his portfolio) as part of a plan with Mystra to ensure that all 3 (and a few other) would survive the Spellplague and all the bad events that were coming (and Mystra had foreseen).

When Qilué was killed, she turned into a Weaveghost, bringing much of Eilistraee's power (and so Vhaeraun's too) into the Weave. After the Weave was stranded, that power remained trapped there for a century or so. However, in the meanwhile, Eilistraee--while nearly powerless--could still communicate with people and even cast magic if she sent a manifestation in the specific place.

So, maybe she still had the magic that Vhaeraun used to shield the minds of his Masked Traitors from Lolth, and kept shielding them?



Phew. I have an OOTA expanded game spanning all of the north and I was setting up a subplot of several NPC's referencing the Promenade of the Dark Maiden along with a specific Eilistraee cleric. I then found out that it's not until the end of the current decade that she 'comes back'. It's good to know she's still really there in the between time.

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Irennan
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Posted - 02 Aug 2020 :  03:15:27  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Promenade is currently being rebuilt, if that can be of interest to you, and has a sister shrine in Waterdeeo too. Ed has provided some lore on it, both in Death Masks and via Twitter.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Trelasarra_Zuind

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Archfey of Debauchery
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by sno4wy

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Dinin? Wasn't he the elder brother that slew the eldest brother? How did he come back? (I thought he'd been turned into a drider or something -- though it's been many years since I touched any of those books)



Yes, Dinin was the secondborn male of the Do'Urden household, who killed Nalfein so that he could be elderboy. Vierna turned Dinin into a drider, but in Relentless, all the drow who were ever driderfied were brought from Lolth's domain into the Prime to assist Zhindia in her surface conquest. All of these driders were turned back into drow by Quenthel and Yvonnel 2.0 with the assistance of the memories of Yvonnel 1.0, and among them was Dinin.



Wasn't Drizzt the one who killed Dinin?

I've never really liked the way driders were handled... I once thought up a way for a drow to be transformed into a drider while retaining their intelligence and such, but it was a bit convoluted and I never had any reason to use it.



Yes. I concur. Why would an intelligent species transform a valued warrior or arcane or divine "heretic" into a mindless hulking beast? I would much rather have a thoughtful, angry, hateful Drider fronting my army rather than a wall of emotionless Driders fighting mechanically. I would also imagine that the Drow elves would have academies for those Drow recently transformed into Driders. I mean, I cannot imagine a drow is punished to become a new beast and just automatically knows how to fight in that new body. Muscle memory cannot be applicable if the brain that sends messages is mindless.




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LordofBones
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quote:
Originally posted by sno4wy

I think I saw someone asking if Ghaunadaur was mentioned, but I can't find the post anymore. The answer though is that none of the members of the Dark Seldarine other than Lolth is mentioned, alluded to, or have their existence acknowledged at all.



Let's be fair, this is hardly endemic to the Dark Seldarine.

There are four gods of magic, guess who's the only one to get screentime?

There are three Greater Powers aligned with evil, but everyone knows Bane and Cyric are there to pad out the god count. Adding salt to the wound how the Dark Trinity have been reduced to what they are in 5e.

The dragon pantheon is arguably the oldest pantheon in existence, but everything about dragons in the game revolves around a spat between Bahamut and Tiamat.

The devs have their favorites.
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CorellonsDevout
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quote:
Originally posted by sno4wy

quote:
Originally posted by Drizztsmanchild

@Snowy.

Was it a merging?

I read it more as Afafrenfere sacrificing his opportunity to return so Drizzt could. After realizing he couldn't bring both of them back.



The way that the man who picked up Afafrenfere's robes was described, was such that he did it like he was the one who left them there. He also went through his own memories (those of Drizzt) to find Andahar, whose location Afafrenfere did not know about.

The entity that returned had Drizzt's looks, as was made apparent in the end. However, if we think about it, were it solely Drizzt, he wouldn't pick up Afa's shed clothes and then donned them himself, especially when those clothes weren't just ordinary robes, but rather the specific robes granted to the Master of the East Wind, which Afafrenfere had attained.

I could be reading it wrong though. It's really not much better if Afafrenfere's completely gone, as it'd be removing the only recognized non-heterosexual male character in all of the Drizzt books and yeah, that's not a good look.



I meant to comment on this earlier, but got sidetracked. I didn't read anything sexual in the merging (if that's what it was). What stuck out to me more was Afa remembering his parents kicking him out after they learned "what he was". Considering that he thought of Parbid soon after, this makes it sound like his parents kicked him out because he was gay (or what we would call such). This makes little sense in the context of the Realms, so it stuck out to me, unless there is something else about Afa that I am forgetting.

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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

quote:
Originally posted by sno4wy

I think I saw someone asking if Ghaunadaur was mentioned, but I can't find the post anymore. The answer though is that none of the members of the Dark Seldarine other than Lolth is mentioned, alluded to, or have their existence acknowledged at all.



Let's be fair, this is hardly endemic to the Dark Seldarine.

There are four gods of magic, guess who's the only one to get screentime?

There are three Greater Powers aligned with evil, but everyone knows Bane and Cyric are there to pad out the god count. Adding salt to the wound how the Dark Trinity have been reduced to what they are in 5e.

The dragon pantheon is arguably the oldest pantheon in existence, but everything about dragons in the game revolves around a spat between Bahamut and Tiamat.

The devs have their favorites.



I fully agree, but this case is especially outstanding, because the matter at hand focuses on what has always been one of the main goals of both Eilistraee and Vhaeraun, and they're the *only* deities with that goal. Also, because WotC has a history of not only disregarding, but doggedly trashing those gods. Just to name the latest example, MToF turned Vhaeraun into Lolth's bodyguard #2, crapping on one of his most fundamental aspects in the same way as LP did with Eilistraee.

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Man, what the hell happened?

I bailed out around the Neverwinter books, and it feels like everything since has been an exercise in repeatedly jumping the shark. I wish he’d committed to all the Companions staying dead and the orcs becoming a part of the North.

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quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

Man, what the hell happened?

I bailed out around the Neverwinter books, and it feels like everything since has been an exercise in repeatedly jumping the shark. I wish he’d committed to all the Companions staying dead and the orcs becoming a part of the North.



You made it longer than I did.

I think the whole Many-Arrows thing, both how it came about and how it ended, was all WotC's direction. That's kind of a big deal, changing the socio-political structure of a large chunk of the setting -- that's the kind of thing that is dictated to authors, instead of "hey, author, great idea! You do that, and we'll revamp everything we're doing to match!"

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keftiu
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

Man, what the hell happened?

I bailed out around the Neverwinter books, and it feels like everything since has been an exercise in repeatedly jumping the shark. I wish he’d committed to all the Companions staying dead and the orcs becoming a part of the North.



You made it longer than I did.

I think the whole Many-Arrows thing, both how it came about and how it ended, was all WotC's direction. That's kind of a big deal, changing the socio-political structure of a large chunk of the setting -- that's the kind of thing that is dictated to authors, instead of "hey, author, great idea! You do that, and we'll revamp everything we're doing to match!"



I actually really liked Many-Arrows! I’m heartbroken it’s caught in canon purgatory these days.

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Irennan
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I liked it too. But hey, gotta have the good guys talk about killing orc babies. The irksome part is that Bruenor and Catti never get called out for blatant racism in the books. Instead, Catti even gets to hide behind Mielikki, who--as a goddess--not only doesn't condone genocide, but has never had anything against orcs in particular, and has the patroness of a whole goodly orc culture (Eldath) as one of her closest friend. Mielikki has no business believing that orcs are innately evil; this was clearly about Catti throwing her name around to feel justified to act on her racism, and make her words carry great authority, but that's never brought up in the series.

(PS: this wasn't RAS' decision, this was WotC's decision and editorial mandate, like they did for the drow at the end of 3e).

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CorellonsDevout
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quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

Man, what the hell happened?

I bailed out around the Neverwinter books, and it feels like everything since has been an exercise in repeatedly jumping the shark. I wish he’d committed to all the Companions staying dead and the orcs becoming a part of the North.



I wasn't a fan of the Neverwinter arc, and personally, I am glad the Companions returned (Drizzt x Dahlia...just no lol). But I am also a sap, so I welcome character returns. Zak's return in particularly made me happy.

But there are other issues I have, which I have mentioned.

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Posted - 07 Aug 2020 :  21:02:15  Show Profile Send King Libertine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just bought the book. Only 122 pages in. Though I have read the spoilers, I don't care. It's the story and adventure I enjoy. So far I think it's a good book.
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Posted - 18 Aug 2020 :  23:40:42  Show Profile  Visit jordanz's Homepage Send jordanz a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Some random thoughts

I was bracing for the book to be bad, but it was ok...even good.

There was a point where it stalled for me...when they were running around with the deep gnomes and all the drow intrigue ..it was a bit much IMO.

Interesting to see wehre they'll go with the whole infection thing. I've learned to give RA a chance to explain things.

I complained about Wulfgar coming off as a loser, he couldn;t even nail a point blank shot on that Cambion demon elf thing,but that was explained in this book.

It kind of bothers me that all of these people can dis-corporate themselves....It kinda makes Kane seem less special now...

I think its time that Wulfgar gets some attention. In the words of Tony Stark .."it's time for you to strut bigman.."

RA if you are reading this please give Wulfgar an epic quest to reunite the barbarians tribes. Have him meet tempest or Unther, Buff up his abilities - War Cries etc , - unlock more Capabilities within Aegis Fang
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