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keftiu
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  05:42:12  Show Profile Send keftiu a Private Message
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Originally posted by mastermustard

I'm going to get banned if I leave my honest opinions on this crap, so I'll refrain.



So why comment at all?

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Mirtek
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. If we pull any episodes of South Park, you have to pull them all,

Exactly. Or take the whole Show Lucifer. There have been protests against it from the first announcement.

So wie you ssid "if it insults, pull it" you only meant "if it insults the right people, pull it"?

And those who are these "right people" is defined by whom?

I have heard from nerds hating The Big Bang Theory because they called it "nerd blackface" (not that i agree with the premise of their complaint nor the strong choice of words). Does the whole Show need to be pulled?

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I know I said that I was done with this thread. But a thought just occurred to me. Is Star Wars offensive?
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keftiu
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  06:04:08  Show Profile Send keftiu a Private Message
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Originally posted by Caolin

I know I said that I was done with this thread. But a thought just occurred to me. Is Star Wars offensive?



The part where the Trade Federation actors were told to do bad Asian accents (I believe Lucas told them to aim for Thai) sure was.

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Caolin
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  06:28:28  Show Profile Send Caolin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

quote:
Originally posted by Caolin

I know I said that I was done with this thread. But a thought just occurred to me. Is Star Wars offensive?



The part where the Trade Federation actors were told to do bad Asian accents (I believe Lucas told them to aim for Thai) sure was.



True story. I worked on the Clone Wars TV show and we had some asian american story guys who really fought for a better designed and less stereotypical Neimoidian culture for an episode set on Neimoidia. This is why I keep saying that a diverse creative team is key for fixing issues like this and not surface level redactions of the previous content.
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  07:45:53  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

quote:
Originally posted by mastermustard

I'm going to get banned if I leave my honest opinions on this crap, so I'll refrain.



So why comment at all?


the same reason why you replied to it


BTW anyone know the definition of Tight casted?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  10:36:50  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

quote:
Originally posted by Caolin

I know I said that I was done with this thread. But a thought just occurred to me. Is Star Wars offensive?



The part where the Trade Federation actors were told to do bad Asian accents (I believe Lucas told them to aim for Thai) sure was.



I know there were complaints about the Gungans, too, from some Italian-Americans (IIRC).

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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  10:38:23  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

quote:
Originally posted by mastermustard

I'm going to get banned if I leave my honest opinions on this crap, so I'll refrain.



So why comment at all?


the same reason why you replied to it


Pretty sure there were two entirely different motivations, here.


quote:
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BTW anyone know the definition of Tight casted?



Never heard of it. I've heard of type-casting, but never tight casting.

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  12:58:57  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

. If we pull any episodes of South Park, you have to pull them all,

Exactly. Or take the whole Show Lucifer. There have been protests against it from the first announcement.

So wie you ssid "if it insults, pull it" you only meant "if it insults the right people, pull it"?

And those who are these "right people" is defined by whom?

I have heard from nerds hating The Big Bang Theory because they called it "nerd blackface" (not that i agree with the premise of their complaint nor the strong choice of words). Does the whole Show need to be pulled?



Here's the thing about South Park: THEY MAKE FUN OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE, AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S EDUCATIONAL TO SHOW WHY MATERIAL IS OFFENSIVE AND WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO IT.

Cartman is the worst character every on TV. The reason why it's still on the air is because we're shining a light on the worst to show why you shouldn't be that way.

I guess I can see that better than younger folks since I was around for All in the Family, Good Times, M*A*S*H, and other comedies that showed the bad parts of humanity in a comedic way without offending some of the people watching the show.

As for the PoS Big Bang Theory, I wouldn't go as far as "nerd blackface", but the jokes in the show are definitely written to make fun of the nerds.

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sfdragon
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  17:37:56  Show Profile Send sfdragon a Private Message
my bad, it is Type Cast

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  18:15:13  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

. If we pull any episodes of South Park, you have to pull them all,

Exactly. Or take the whole Show Lucifer. There have been protests against it from the first announcement.

So wie you ssid "if it insults, pull it" you only meant "if it insults the right people, pull it"?

And those who are these "right people" is defined by whom?

I have heard from nerds hating The Big Bang Theory because they called it "nerd blackface" (not that i agree with the premise of their complaint nor the strong choice of words). Does the whole Show need to be pulled?



Here's the thing about South Park: THEY MAKE FUN OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE, AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S EDUCATIONAL TO SHOW WHY MATERIAL IS OFFENSIVE AND WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO IT.

Cartman is the worst character every on TV. The reason why it's still on the air is because we're shining a light on the worst to show why you shouldn't be that way.

I guess I can see that better than younger folks since I was around for All in the Family, Good Times, M*A*S*H, and other comedies that showed the bad parts of humanity in a comedic way without offending some of the people watching the show.

As for the PoS Big Bang Theory, I wouldn't go as far as "nerd blackface", but the jokes in the show are definitely written to make fun of the nerds.



Also, there's a huge difference between mocking someone for personality traits, and mocking someone for something physical like their skintone.

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farinal
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  19:56:00  Show Profile Send farinal a Private Message
Thats really cherry picking. If you are offended by Community then you are not different than a religious person getting offended from South Park.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  21:30:33  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
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Thats really cherry picking. If you are offended by Community then you are not different than a religious person getting offended from South Park.



Seriously? You're saying it's cherry-picking to say that an adopted belief structure that can be changed or abandoned at any time is different from a skin color or ethnicity that can never, ever be changed?

Last I checked, people weren't chameleons.

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Mirtek
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  22:35:32  Show Profile Send Mirtek a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by farinal

Thats really cherry picking. If you are offended by Community then you are not different than a religious person getting offended from South Park.



Seriously? You're saying it's cherry-picking to say that an adopted belief structure that can be changed or abandoned at any time is different from a skin color or ethnicity that can never, ever be changed?

Last I checked, people weren't chameleons.

So mocking muslims would be OK, because they could just start to eat pork, drink alcohol and stop being muslims at any time?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  22:49:40  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by farinal

Thats really cherry picking. If you are offended by Community then you are not different than a religious person getting offended from South Park.



Seriously? You're saying it's cherry-picking to say that an adopted belief structure that can be changed or abandoned at any time is different from a skin color or ethnicity that can never, ever be changed?

Last I checked, people weren't chameleons.

So mocking muslims would be OK, because they could just start to eat pork, drink alcohol and stop being muslims at any time?



I'm not saying to mock any religion -- because as we've seen, people can take their religious views to extremes and cause a lot of violence of that. Such things are NOT limited to any one religion.

But technicially, yes, any Muslim could abandon their faith or convert to another. Same for any Jewish person, or any Christian, or any other faith you want to name.

No one can opt to change their ethnicity, though.

So the point remains: religion can be changed. Ethnicity cannot be. Neither should be mocked, but they are not the same thing.

Seriously, why is there such a debate about saying "don't be a jerk"?

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Mirtek
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  23:05:14  Show Profile Send Mirtek a Private Message
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Seriously, why is there such a debate about saying "don't be a jerk"?
Because if one sets the quota at "as long as one persons says you're a jerk you are one" it's impossible to meet.

There's hardly any form of enterntainment that does not offend at least a few people.

Speaking of South Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tPsv00Caag

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  23:09:42  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Seriously, why is there such a debate about saying "don't be a jerk"?
Because if one sets the quota at "as long as one persons says you're a jerk you are one" it's impossible to meet.

There's hardly any form of enterntainment that does not offend at least a few people.



That's not what the quota is and you know it. The quota is "Don't be a jerk to people based on their heritage."

I find it hard to believe that this basic concept eludes so many people. I suspect a deliberate obtuseness at play.

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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 30 Jun 2020 :  02:48:40  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Seriously, why is there such a debate about saying "don't be a jerk"?
Because if one sets the quota at "as long as one persons says you're a jerk you are one" it's impossible to meet.

There's hardly any form of enterntainment that does not offend at least a few people.



That's not what the quota is and you know it. The quota is "Don't be a jerk to people based on their heritage."

I find it hard to believe that this basic concept eludes so many people. I suspect a deliberate obtuseness at play.

I too sense deliberate obtuseness here. Which I find highly irregular since they claim to be fans of the Forgotten Realms.

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Posted - 30 Jun 2020 :  02:52:01  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
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Originally posted by Mirtek
Speaking of South Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tPsv00Caag

I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying that by taking out religion, we lose a holiday? Or are you saying something about how South Park makes fun of everyone?

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Caolin
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Posted - 30 Jun 2020 :  03:19:45  Show Profile Send Caolin a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek
Speaking of South Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tPsv00Caag

I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying that by taking out religion, we lose a holiday? Or are you saying something about how South Park makes fun of everyone?



The point is that once we start censoring to protect one groups feelings then we have to protect EVERYONE's feelings. South Park has been pretty adamant about the idea that no one has a right to not have their feelings hurt.
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Posted - 30 Jun 2020 :  03:24:58  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message
You people that keep talking about censoring need to learn what it really means.

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Posted - 30 Jun 2020 :  03:30:20  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
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You people that keep talking about censoring need to learn what it really means.

Exactly.

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Posted - 30 Jun 2020 :  03:34:14  Show Profile Send Ashe Ravenheart a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Caolin

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

quote:
Originally posted by Mirtek
Speaking of South Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tPsv00Caag

I'm still not sure where you're going with this. Are you saying that by taking out religion, we lose a holiday? Or are you saying something about how South Park makes fun of everyone?



The point is that once we start censoring to protect one groups feelings then we have to protect EVERYONE's feelings. South Park has been pretty adamant about the idea that no one has a right to not have their feelings hurt.

Wow. If we cared what people thought, and made sure no one was made fun of, or belittled, or made to feel inferior, that would almost be ... the future shown in Star Trek? Where we live in a human utopia?

Oh no! Please don't let that happen? What will all the racists and bible-thumpers and sexual-assaulters do? Whatever will happen to internet trolls standing up for racism and white supremacy as a freedom of speech? Why, they may just go extinct and the human race would evolve for the first time in 100,000 years!

Edit: And South Park isn't adamant that no one has a right to not have their feelings hurt. South Park is adamant that no one can tell anyone else that their feelings are more important than anyone elses.

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Caolin
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Oh no! Please don't let that happen? What will all the racists and bible-thumpers and sexual-assaulters do? Whatever will happen to internet trolls standing up for racism and white supremacy as a freedom of speech? Why, they may just go extinct and the human race would evolve for the first time in 100,000 years!

Edit: And South Park isn't adamant that no one has a right to not have their feelings hurt. South Park is adamant that no one can tell anyone else that their feelings are more important than anyone elses.



You must be fun at parties. I am loath to use this term because now all of a sudden it's a racist term for some reason. But cripes if it doesn't apply to you I don't know who it does. You signal your virtue at the intensity of a blue giant star. It makes having a rational discussion with you impossible.

And also, you're holding up Star Trek as a realistic future goal?!! Star Trek, some of the most unrealistic sci-fi out there? But I guess it does explain some of your views.

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keftiu
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Posted - 30 Jun 2020 :  04:07:16  Show Profile Send keftiu a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Caolin

quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart

Oh no! Please don't let that happen? What will all the racists and bible-thumpers and sexual-assaulters do? Whatever will happen to internet trolls standing up for racism and white supremacy as a freedom of speech? Why, they may just go extinct and the human race would evolve for the first time in 100,000 years!

Edit: And South Park isn't adamant that no one has a right to not have their feelings hurt. South Park is adamant that no one can tell anyone else that their feelings are more important than anyone elses.



You must be fun at parties. I am loath to use this term because now all of a sudden it's a racist term for some reason. But cripes if it doesn't apply to you I don't know who it does. You signal your virtue at the intensity of a blue giant star. It makes having a rational discussion with you impossible.




Not sure why you’d double down on a term you admit is tainted and that a mod spoke out against in this very thread, but because you seem to insist on being told again: “virtue signaling” is bullshit made up by the worst of the reactionary crowd to dismiss literally any attempt, no matter how small, to defend or even explain any plight of any marginalized person, because they refuse to see it as genuine. It lets you neatly sidestep any point someone is making because they can’t imagine someone actually caring about others.

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