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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 23:20:10
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Originally posted by warlockco
Not sure about EE:THM, but SK is for Serpent Kingdoms, and the reference in that tome is on page 110.
EE:THM = Elminster's Ecologies: The High Moor? |
Lord Rad
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 02:40:18
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| Now this is an Old thread, its been almost a year since i sent Alaundo that Excel Spread sheet |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 08:31:05
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Well, thanks for the replies.
The way the city was referred to in the WotSQ V novel made me believe it was a drow city. (Why would a drow want to go to a city of mindflayers?)
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In memory of Alura Durshavin.
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2066 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 14:16:54
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Zanan,
What is the page number (softcover or hardcover) for the references to Llacerellyn in WotSQ V?
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 21:17:26
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Zanan,
What is the page number (softcover or hardcover) for the references to Llacerellyn in WotSQ V?
Thanks,
--Eric
I am in the process of re-reading the book right now (to be right up to date with the story when No. VI arrives), but it is the German version. I'll try to specify the chapter and storyline once I am there, but it could well have been a problem of translation.
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Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 08:23:22
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Well ... having reached Chapter 8 now, I think my memory deceived me somewhat  .
Danifae talks to her old House wizard and speaks about a ring which brought her and the Matron back from Llacerylln to Eryndlyn. If that is the mentioning of Llacerellyn that I had in mind, I have to confess that the book leaves it quite open what sort of city it is. So probably my bad ... and I am sorry for any confusion. |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 19:36:52
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Edit: sometimes Tymora even smiles on ... well, my memory didn't deceive me after all, the passage that I referred to was/is in Extinction though.
p.171 (paperback), Pharaun asks Danifae:
"So the question remains, if not Eryndlyn - and certainly not Ched Nasad - where would you like to go? Llacerellyn? Sschindylryn?"
The sequence of drow cities before and after Llacerellyn made me believe the latter is a drow city too. |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gęš a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Mar 2007 : 18:00:27
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Ultoksurllur (Under the Starspire Mountains) -- Hmm probably shield dwarves or deep gnomes / mentioned in Lands of Intrigue, but I'm not really remembering
Old thread, but for completeness in case of referencing:
Ultoksurllur
Catacombs under the present day city of Zazesspur were once part of the city Ultoksurllur inhabited by Clan Ghalmrin. The city served as the nominal capital of the Seastar Kingdom (Shanatar subkingdom of Sondarr). (as per DDUGttU) |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2009 : 01:32:07
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Arise! Mwuhahahha!! ARISE!!!!!
*Ahem*
While researching something else completely, I discovered another fallen deep gnome city. I figured I'd post it, both for completeness and because I think this is a great thread that newcomers should see. Anyway, it's Aventine, a deep gnome city somewhere in the vicinity of Dambrath. It was destroyed by a joint drow/Shebali army somewhere around 1050 DR. That's an estimate, since the attack was launched some time during the reign of Queen Melanith. No other information is given, aside from the fact that essentially all of the humans were killed by the gnomes, and there were very few drow/Crintri deaths. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
1608 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2009 : 09:53:22
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
I figured I'd post it, both for completeness and because I think this is a great thread that newcomers should see.
You're totally right !
Gnome power !!!! (even if we speak about svirfs)
In gnomine veritas !
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Anyway, it's Aventine, a deep gnome city somewhere in the vicinity of Dambrath. It was destroyed by a joint drow/Shebali army somewhere around 1050 DR. That's an estimate, since the attack was launched some time during the reign of Queen Melanith. No other information is given, aside from the fact that essentially all of the humans were killed by the gnomes, and there were very few drow/Crintri deaths.
If I remember well ( ) :
An alliance of the human nation of Dambrath and the drow city T'lindhet destroyed this city of the deep gnomes during the reign of Melanith, queen of Dambrath and high priestess of Loviatar
N.B. : I believe we now only call them crinties and no more crintries. They were just called crintries in the Dragon Annual #4 and the 1st Shinig South sourcebook.
Since these books, the 2nd Shining South sourcebook, the Councelors and Kings trilogy and the very short History of the crinties (Thank you so very much Elaine ), and the others call them crinties |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2009 : 14:00:58
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That's good to hear. Actually, I had always thought it was (and pronounced it to myself) "crinti," and I was both surprised and somewhat ashamed to discover that the book called them "crintri" and, by extension, that I'd been mis-pronouncing it all these years. I'm glad to hear that I wasn't dreaming that the second "r" got dropped at some point, since I think "crinti" sounds better than "crintri."
However, crinti is both singular and plural. So no crintis or, worse, crinties. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2009 : 17:45:50
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| It's ok. 3e seemed to have an obsession with sticking s's onto everything, even when they were flat-out wrong. "Phaerimms" and "sharns" are the two most annoying for me, but there are plenty of others. |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 05:18:09
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also to add to the Deep Gnome cities (i am quite surprised this was missed by all of the great sages here)
the NAME of the deep gnome city listed in post numero uno as 'under damara/bloodstone' on this thread is Corundruby
i'll post the canon source when i find it |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2009 : 05:25:32
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| Demihuman Dieties page 145 lists Corundruby as well as others listed in this thread |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 17:30:27
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<casts raise dead scroll>
Ahem... I tried to look for the updated/compiled list as discussed in this thread in Alaundo's Library, but I could not locate it... can someone point me to the right shelf? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2012 : 02:12:10
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
<casts raise dead scroll>
Ahem... I tried to look for the updated/compiled list as discussed in this thread in Alaundo's Library, but I could not locate it... can someone point me to the right shelf?
Now that I'm cogitating on this, I don't believe Alaundo ever uploaded it to the site.
As it is, the compilation should be among the section on "Various Unofficial Lore," of the TRAVELER's NOTEBOOKS sub-section. But it's nowhere to be found. Curious.
I'll notify Alaundo and try to determine where the article ended up, Mumadar.
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
1853 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 23:11:19
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| for anyone else looking for it: the scroll |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 01:00:54
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| it'd be neat if a matching locale could be placed on that scroll along with the places updated in this thread since then |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 02:26:54
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Originally posted by Fillow
N.B. : I believe we now only call them crinties and no more crintries. They were just called crintries in the Dragon Annual #4 and the 1st Shinig South sourcebook.
Since these books, the 2nd Shining South sourcebook, the Councelors and Kings trilogy and the very short History of the crinties (Thank you so very much Elaine ), and the others call them crinties
What is this? Did Elaine write this? Where can I find it? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 05:06:20
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| How delightful. As dejected as I was to hear of TSD's delay, this improves my spirits, if only for a short time. Many thanks, Procrastinator Most High. I am amazed by how much this site has to offer. Even after being here for a time, I can be unaware of gems like this. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 06:33:03
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Originally posted by The Sage
I don't know how I missed that one. 
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 19:46:35
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Originally posted by xaeyruudh
for anyone else looking for it: the scroll
Thanks for pointing me to the correct scroll xaeyruudh  |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
2066 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2012 : 15:07:11
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Glanderultok (under the Mountains South of the Turnback mountain range) --- still blanking, might be shield dwarves, look at Demihuman Deities, Major Centers of Worship for Abbathor
Morndivver (under the Starspire mountains) -- Shield Dwarves, mentioned in Lands of Intrigue
Nar'Vheen (Near Calaunt) -- Drow (I think) city detailed in LC RPGA play
The Great Worm Cavern (NW of Menzo) -- (Former) home of totem beast of one of the Uthgardt tribes, mentioned in FR5 - The Savage Frontier, The North, and FRCS.
Ullin'Tharnor (under the Great Glacier) -- Drow (I think) ... not sure why I put this one in there ... there was probably a reason, but I think it's on the list of drow city names in FOR2 - Drow of the Underdark
Ultoksurllur (Under the Starspire Mountains) -- Hmm probably shield dwarves or deep gnomes / mentioned in Lands of Intrigue, but I'm not really remembering
Also, not on the maps, is the drow city of Kiaransalee worshipers found under the Galenas and discussed in Demihuman Deities, in the write-up of Kiaransalee
--Eric
Finally found something on Glanderultok (cross-posted from my scroll):
I found an old file that indicates Glanderultok is a duergar city where they worship Laduguer. No reference as to why I thought it needed to be referenced. The art order for the map (referencing 2e maps of Faerun of the day) calls for "Place Glanderultok deep beneath the mountain valley due north of the northern end of the Border Forest."
If I had to guess, I would say there's probably a reference in one of Ed's old Everwinking Eye columns in Polyhedron to duergar and this was my attempt to create a city they could come from. That's all I can find though. I wasn't as good about referencing everything with a comment in my write-ups way back then.
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2012 : 07:42:22
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
Glanderultok (under the Mountains South of the Turnback mountain range) --- still blanking, might be shield dwarves, look at Demihuman Deities, Major Centers of Worship for Abbathor
Morndivver (under the Starspire mountains) -- Shield Dwarves, mentioned in Lands of Intrigue
Nar'Vheen (Near Calaunt) -- Drow (I think) city detailed in LC RPGA play
The Great Worm Cavern (NW of Menzo) -- (Former) home of totem beast of one of the Uthgardt tribes, mentioned in FR5 - The Savage Frontier, The North, and FRCS.
Ullin'Tharnor (under the Great Glacier) -- Drow (I think) ... not sure why I put this one in there ... there was probably a reason, but I think it's on the list of drow city names in FOR2 - Drow of the Underdark
Ultoksurllur (Under the Starspire Mountains) -- Hmm probably shield dwarves or deep gnomes / mentioned in Lands of Intrigue, but I'm not really remembering
Also, not on the maps, is the drow city of Kiaransalee worshipers found under the Galenas and discussed in Demihuman Deities, in the write-up of Kiaransalee
--Eric
Finally found something on Glanderultok (cross-posted from my scroll):
I found an old file that indicates Glanderultok is a duergar city where they worship Laduguer. No reference as to why I thought it needed to be referenced. The art order for the map (referencing 2e maps of Faerun of the day) calls for "Place Glanderultok deep beneath the mountain valley due north of the northern end of the Border Forest."
If I had to guess, I would say there's probably a reference in one of Ed's old Everwinking Eye columns in Polyhedron to duergar and this was my attempt to create a city they could come from. That's all I can find though. I wasn't as good about referencing everything with a comment in my write-ups way back then.
i'll butcher the spelling but the kiaransalee city under the galenas was something close to V'eldrinnsshaar
it was described in detail in the Lady Penitent trilogy |
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
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Posted - 18 May 2015 : 20:08:21
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
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Originally posted by warlockco
Not sure about EE:THM, but SK is for Serpent Kingdoms, and the reference in that tome is on page 110.
EE:THM = Elminster's Ecologies: The High Moor?
I could't find any mention of Llacerellyn in Elminster's Ecologies :'-( |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 19 May 2015 : 00:42:11
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I have Eric's notes from when he was writing DDGttU. I'll check tonight and see if I can find where the reference to "Llacerellyn" come from.
Checking back through the thread, it appears that it is mentioned in the novel "Extinction", but I know that there is a gaming product reference out there somewhere.
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Duneth Despana
Learned Scribe
Belgium
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Posted - 19 May 2015 : 10:36:15
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| If it can help narrow down your search I've already found the mentions in Serpent Kingdoms and War of the Spider Queen already noted in this thread. |
« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1
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