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Originally posted by The Masked Mage

While reading through an old 1st Edition AD&D product OP1 - Tales Of The Outer Planes, I came across an adventure called "Castle at the Edge of Time," by Christopher Mortika. It features Myrmeen Lhal, as mayor of Arabel, a "new" (not metioned anywhere else to my knowledge) Zhentarim agent named Lady Cheodot.

There is also a major battle in the hells where Tyr makes an appearance leading a celestial army.

This was published back in 1988 when TSR was still in Lake Geneva :)...

Hope someone enjoys this little found bit of lost lore.

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

What about Dragon #351? Chopped liver? (Well, they do probably serve it there.)

:-)

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Originally posted by sleyvas

Of course they serve it there... the question is what kind of liver is it? Chicken, beef, pork, dragon, unicorn, umber hulk, duergar?

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Originally posted by Wrigley

I have also found a nugget recently that I was unaware before.
During Crown Wars 9 houses of Aryvandaar left East to evade conflict with house Vyshan. Six of those settled where Anauria/Asram will be centuries later and three continued to Arcorar and founded Uvaeren (-8200). As we all know Uvaeren was destroyed by falling star (in -5000) but interesting was that on the same date is that "Survivors of House Dlardrageth, a clan of demon-blooded sun elves, flee from Arcorar (Cormanthor) to Siluvanede".
Meaning Dlardrageth was probably a noble sun elven house of Aryvandaar and also one of the main "keepers of elven knowledge" in Cormanthor.

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

Seems like there are more than a few references to FR in the very old material, i wonder how many of them the likes of George and Eric know about and have been mining for lore nuggets for years (although the priest Eller, widely known across the realms and claiming to have slain the goddess Kali seems of dubious quality or use today - might have to make Kali a fiend of some sort)

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Originally posted by ericlboyd

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Originally posted by sleyvas

Of course they serve it there... the question is what kind of liver is it? Chicken, beef, pork, dragon, unicorn, umber hulk, duergar?

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Be cause you asked ...

Ed says: "Good old fashioned chicken, augmented with duck and goose when available. (Their recipes don't work when done with red meat.)"

Essential Realmslore, right there, folks!

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Originally posted by ericlboyd
I agree that House Dlardrageth is from Aryvandaar, but I don't think they are one of those nine. In part, that is because of Hellgate Keep, page 9, and Cormanthyr, page 83. (Although I think the latter's reference to 3,500 is a mistake and should read 5,500 if you assume the primacy of the original source, which is Hellgate Keep.) Hellgate Keep, page 9, says “within a few decades” between the start of breeding and the discovery of these dealings in -5,000 DR. However, it needs to be enough for 2 generations, so I went with -5,090 DR.

Here's what I have about the backstory about House Dlardrageth, most of which comes from a detailed reading of the Last Mythal Trilogy. Note the name Arcanrathnar is my invention. I considered using a balor name from the AD&D1 DMG that hadn't been used yet, but I have reasons for not doing so.

Flight of House Dlardrageth
During the Wandering Years that followed the Fifth Crown War, many elves, including gold elves from Aryvandaar, began settling in the eastern forest of Arcorar near the Elven Court. The nobles of House Dlardrageth, one of the great houses of Aryvandaar, were prominent early settlers of the vast, unclaimed eastern woodlands. In time, they established a fortified villa in the depths of Arcorar known as Dlardrageth Keep. (By chance this villa lay within the boundaries of what would eventually become Myth Drannor, long after the fall of House Dlardrageth.)
For generations, the leaders of House Dlardrageth sought to strengthen their family and race so as to eventually reclaim the lost glory of Aryvandaar. Prominent among them was High Mage Saelethil Dlardrageth, who forged a selukiira (High Loregem) known as the Nightstar of Saelethil in order to master the Last Mythal of Aryvandaar. Saelethil’s ambitions were cut short by Ithraides, Grand Mage of Jhyrrenstar and High Spell-Star of Arcorar, who slew Saelethil with the backing of Jhyrrenstar’s coronal and claimed the Nightstar in the name of the crown. Ithraides locked the Nightstar in an extradimensional space that could only be reached by a spell of his devising from the depths of his tower in Cormanthor. Ithraides then split the spell to unlock the location of the Nightstar into three parts, each inscribed in a different telkiira (Lore Gems), which he then gave to his three High Mage apprentices: Kaeledhin of Eaerlann, Sanathar of Jhyrrenstar, and Morthil of Yuireshanyaar (later Grand Mage of Sildëyuir).
In –5,090 DR, Lady Xiiltharra Dlardrageth, then matriarch of House Dlardrageth, convinced her family that breeding with demons would strengthen their house’s bloodline. She summoned a balor named Arcanrathnar to serve as her consort, while several of her kin summoned lesser demons for similar purposes. Many of the children born of such unions were physically weaker than the average elf, but they later proved to have more magical powers as their demonic legacy. Within a few decades, Xiiltharra had given birth to five elven daemonfey, and they in turn had consorted with demons to produce a second generation numbering twenty-four strong. Her kin had produced additional daemonfey as well.
When the elves of Arcorar discovered the horrid dealings of House Dlardrageth, they mustered a host of soldiers, mages, and priests against them. Grand Mage Ithraides and the High Mages of Arcorar banished their summoned demons and raised a mythal around Dlardrageth Keep, trapping the Dlardrageth nobles within their home, where they all destroyed each other within a few centuries. However, seven members of House Dlardrageth—Xiiltharra’s youngest daughter Sarya, Sarya’s four sons and one daughter, and Sarya’s nephew (her twin brother’s son)—escaped the villa undetected and fled to their secret redoubt amidst the ruins of Aryvandaar (Modern: Ascal’s Horn), where they began to plot their revenge against the Fair Folk of Arcorar, with dire consequences for the three elven realms of the High Forest that continue to ripple through elven history even today.

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So you see them as members of Jhyrrenstar instead. For me they are a perfect fit for Uvaeren. Who knows what they did there for 3000 years...
Also it took a lot of time to catch them.
-8200 founding of Uvaeren (Jhyrrenstar and Siluvanede founded -8400)
-5000 Dlardrageth (already demon blooded) flee to Siluvanede.
-4700 Earlann founded
-4500 Seven Citadel Wars started
-4300 Seven Citadel Wars - most of the Fey'ri killed or imprisoned

700 years and conflict called "fifth crown war" until they cached them...

There is also a list of houses that Sarya wants revenge upon: Houses of Durothil, Moonflower, Swordstar, Irithyl, and Starym (Hellgate Keep p.10)

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Originally posted by ericlboyd
So I would classify the houses of Aryvandaar as follows:

Madness: House Vyshaan
Active Conspirators: Mostly wiped out
Passive Conspirators: "Followed orders." Includes House Dlardrageth and House Starym.
Uninvolved: ???
Passive Rejectors: Refused to live under Vyshaan rule. Left for other locations. Includes six houses that went to Desertsmouth Mountains and 3 houses that went to Uvaeren.
Rebels: Active rebels. Mostly wiped out. Includes House Duirsar.

Uvaeren was the exact opposite of Aryvandaar. It was founded by houses that loved knowledge and scholarship. IMO, this would never have included House Dlardrageth.

There were many houses that moved to Arcorar "just in time" to avoid the end of the Fifth Crown War. House Dlardrageth was an example. They moved to Arcorar but didn't really join any of the emerging nations there. Instead they spiraled down into their own form of depravity.

--Eric

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Originally posted by Wrigley
I think you underestimate the corruption in Aryvandaar.

First house Vyshaan was not mad, but under influence of Malkizid.

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Also note that during whole Crown Wars elves were united under Aryvandaar until the very end at -9000. The mad Vyshaan king Giilvas started to act like that (in lore i have) only after he was betrayed by his gods and his own people and even then he trusted his allies and family (found lore saying -9900 he was increasingly-crazed).

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"It took 200 years to finally defeat them with the power of all other elven kingdoms with Corellion's mandate and support (after 800 years of contemplation about Crown Wars). House Vyshaan ruled Aryvandaar for 6000 years and was even chosen to settle Evermeet. Most of the elves who started First Crown Wars should not even be alive after 3000 years."

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Similar situation with Uvaeren - not only there are examples of their dark works who nobody knew much about

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(drow from Twisted Tower were certainly interested later on)

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there are also mentions of horrors (Trio Nefarious) released later from Uvaeren ruins

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but most important - why do you think "somebody" sent a star against them to annihilate Uvaeren?

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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
(...)
There is also a major battle in the hells where Tyr makes an appearance leading a celestial army.
(...)

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

It's possible that Eric and George came up with much of the lore regarding Aryvandaar that you are interpreting.

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