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sleyvas
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Posted - 31 Jul 2019 :  14:30:40  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
So, we've posited around here that many sources of powerful magic are the result of impacts by "star metals" onto the face of Toril that may have happened long ago. One such discussion revolved around Halruaa and its mountains and Lake Halruaa. Another thought revolved around the star mounts in the high forest (which are inhabited by aarakocra, btw... possibly an earth island of Coliar was cast adrift and smashed into Toril but some of the aarakocra eggs survived?). I then noted that Araumycos (the great fungus) exists beneath this area, but in the underdark. That made me wonder, does the Unicorn Run and Araumycos share a same source for water and its magical nature?


Hmm, and in the above, perhaps "smash into Toril" is too harsh a word? Perhaps a better explanation might be "landed onto Toril"... with this "earth island" being from Coliar and transported similar to the way that Netherese Mythallars moved their sky cities.

For that matter, we have that Coliar is inhabited by "lizard men", "aarakocra", and unusual dragons in 2e lore. The "lizard men" and dragons are both interested in specialized breeding by "sending their eggs closer to the sun". Perhaps there are similarities/linkages between these "lizard men" and the Sarrukh. Perhaps the lizard men long ago had some ability to pilot their own earth islands from Coliar as well, and perhaps they landed on Toril, and this is the source of the original Sarrukh after the world began to thaw.

Hmm, and as long as I'm positing.. perhaps the batrachi are interlopers who established themselves over a period of migration from a variety of other planets (the water worlds of Karpri and Chandos, or the weird illithid held world of Glyth with its strange gelatin replacing its water).

As a final musing, I'm drawn to the "undead dragons" of Coliar… a being who becomes an "air dragon" or being entirely of "spirit". Once they reach old age, they essentially become something very similar to a "Telthor" of Rashemen…. however, they also can only survive through the deep caring, affection, and adoration of the living inhabitants of Coliar… which is their sustenance... which I read as "they can only become this because they are worshipped". Might these "air dragons" essentially be something akin to "minor primordials" or the equivalent of the 3e dragons taking the dragon ascendant and becoming a "quasi-deity". Might Io/Asgorath have been a powerful "air dragon", and he was entrapped by Ubtao the deceiver, before being released by the batrachi to fight Annam's brood.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas

Edited by - sleyvas on 31 Jul 2019 15:23:32

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Posted - 31 Jul 2019 :  21:36:19  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not my take on it, but very cool ideas.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 31 Jul 2019 :  21:48:57  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks man. It is of course a chicken or egg scenario, because the aarakocra and lizard men of Coliar could also have been migrants from Toril's similar cultures. There is obvious hinting to the Star Mounts being a source of some kind of powerful magic source, since the unicorn run comes from there. Its kind of interesting that Karsus was RIGHT THERE when he tried to become a god as well (since the dire wood is relatively nearby). It could just as well be a Tear of Selune that dropped (particularly with Lurue being inclined to the area), possibly even the mythical portion of Selune and Shar mixed that formed Mystryl.

Also, even if we don't link the arrival of the aearee to the star mounts, we could have a similar situation of arrival from Coliar via "earth island" transport and landing in Anchorome and lands westward of said. They may have been drawn to the star mounts by the magic of the area. Its worth some thought.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas

Edited by - sleyvas on 31 Jul 2019 22:16:34
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The Masked Mage
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Same for me, really. Fun ideas but not my thoughts. There is really nothing concrete either way.

As for the air dragons, I never thought of them as undead or gods... just ancient beings. Also, I don't think of them as dying if not served, just that because they are the ancients of the dragons they are served and honored. Its like the next stage of dragon evolution... like jedi spirit dragons :P. I think it is important there to note that they still count the years - whereas years for undead stop mattering.
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sleyvas
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage

Same for me, really. Fun ideas but not my thoughts. There is really nothing concrete either way.

As for the air dragons, I never thought of them as undead or gods... just ancient beings. Also, I don't think of them as dying if not served, just that because they are the ancients of the dragons they are served and honored. Its like the next stage of dragon evolution... like jedi spirit dragons :P. I think it is important there to note that they still count the years - whereas years for undead stop mattering.



The only reason I brought up the idea that they may be on the path to becoming gods are these statements (just showing them to show where I got the mindset that maybe this could be interpreted another way). These statements imply that without the "deep caring and affection" of the inhabitants of Coliar that these air dragons will die out (sound like "worship me or I'm dying"?).

From the entry on Air Dragons in Realmspace
Since the rarity of the Air Dragon far exceeds that of other dragons on Coliar, , they are often looked after and cared for. This deep caring and affection is what keep them alive. This symbiotic feeding is why an Air Dragon cannot be evil. The emotional emanations they feed on come only from affection, adoration, or love.

So, that's why I related their going into something revolving around using "worship" energy of a sort. In essence, I think one could develop a "template" of some sort (or prestige class) to give to them that's similar to the one dragons use when they're "on the path" to becoming deities.

Now, this could easily be interpreted in other ways, but the simplest appears to be that somehow they're transcending a physical body and turning into something more metaphysical as a result of emotional output of people on Coliar.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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