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sleyvas
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Whisperwyvern of Shar? Is this an actual title somewhere. its really odd.

Not so far as I know.

And remember, before 3E's inane SHADOW SHADOW SHADE SHADOW SHADE SHADE SHADOW, the Lady of Loss was a god of bitterness, jealousy and discord. The faithful Uldalara's insidious whisperings are just as sharp and poisonous (in their plottings) as the sting of a wyvern, hence....





Gotcha. As I said, odd, but interesting enough that it made me wonder if someone came up with any cool titles for the priesthood. Yeah, I miss the days when the Sharrans priests were more secretive and less out to end all life (which in my book was always more of Talos' goal).

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
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Whisperwyvern of Shar? Is this an actual title somewhere. its really odd.

Not so far as I know.

And remember, before 3E's inane SHADOW SHADOW SHADE SHADOW SHADE SHADE SHADOW, the Lady of Loss was a god of bitterness, jealousy and discord. The faithful Uldalara's insidious whisperings are just as sharp and poisonous (in their plottings) as the sting of a wyvern, hence....





You forgot to mention "shadow" in there somewhere.

I never paid much attention to Shar in 2E... But 3E made me really appreciate the 2E Shar. I found it grandly ironic that 3E very firmly put the spotlight on a deity that preferred darkness.

Good reasoning on that title, though.

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Posted - 22 Jul 2019 :  22:00:30  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I like where this thread has gone, but if we're talking about liches (or anything else that's dead or inorganic) they don't need reference books or to refresh their memories. A lich's memory is arguably infinite; certainly sufficient to store everything it actually cares about.

Now, it's a given that many/most liches are insane, and the one the OP referred to certainly is, but there's no rational reason to give invaders hints about one's passions by leaving relevant books lying around. I would argue that insanity doesn't make liches stupid.

Meaning a lich's library is (I think) more likely to contain cursed tomes and scrolls, minor artifacts with mostly/completely harmful powers, and truly useless things like translations of poorly written autobiographies from one dead language into another. And such.


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Originally posted by xaeyruudh

I like where this thread has gone, but if we're talking about liches (or anything else that's dead or inorganic) they don't need reference books or to refresh their memories. A lich's memory is arguably infinite; certainly sufficient to store everything it actually cares about.

Now, it's a given that many/most liches are insane, and the one the OP referred to certainly is, but there's no rational reason to give invaders hints about one's passions by leaving relevant books lying around. I would argue that insanity doesn't make liches stupid.

Meaning a lich's library is (I think) more likely to contain cursed tomes and scrolls, minor artifacts with mostly/completely harmful powers, and truly useless things like translations of poorly written autobiographies from one dead language into another. And such.





Azimer who is the subject of the OP is not only insane but clearly he not only forgot many things but is also misremembering facts.

So I would say there is much evidence to dispute your theory, and insanity is a form of dementia, which is by definition a loss or alteration of memory capabilities.

Furthermore, even IF liches somehow have god-like infinite memories, that doesn't exclude them from keeping books or other items because they may FEEL that they still need them or because they still WANT them.

As the canon states regarding Azimer, he prepares and eats abyssal larva even though he stopped needing to eat centuries ago.

So, each lich clearly has it's own personality, quirks and perspective on WHAT and HOW it remembers certain things.

That would in turn suggest that not only is a liches memory finite despite their high intelligence.

As we know from idiot savants, intelligence is not a direct measurement of memory or vice versa.

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I, too, am unsure about the assertion that liches have infinite memories. I don't recall anything stating or supporting that idea.

Even if it was true, liches still have to acquire the knowledge before they can hold on to it.

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xaeyruudh
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My bad; I should have been less matter-of-fact. We each come to our own understanding of how things should work.

It wasn't my intention to stifle creativity in any case; I'm bookmarking this thread and I'd like to see it keep growing.
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Originally posted by xaeyruudh

My bad; I should have been less matter-of-fact. We each come to our own understanding of how things should work.

It wasn't my intention to stifle creativity in any case; I'm bookmarking this thread and I'd like to see it keep growing.



Not your bad at all! Any good ideas/discussion is worthy of inclusion.
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by AJA

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
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Whisperwyvern of Shar? Is this an actual title somewhere. its really odd.

Not so far as I know.

And remember, before 3E's inane SHADOW SHADOW SHADE SHADOW SHADE SHADE SHADOW, the Lady of Loss was a god of bitterness, jealousy and discord. The faithful Uldalara's insidious whisperings are just as sharp and poisonous (in their plottings) as the sting of a wyvern, hence....





Gotcha. As I said, odd, but interesting enough that it made me wonder if someone came up with any cool titles for the priesthood. Yeah, I miss the days when the Sharrans priests were more secretive and less out to end all life (which in my book was always more of Talos' goal).



I think the difference is how Talos and Shar operate.

Talos is a natural force of destruction. He's a god of storms and fire, of whirlwinds and earthquakes. Whatever that is created must be destroyed so that something new can rise from the ruins.

Shar wants it to end. She's not a goddess of destruction, she's a goddess of nihilism. Where Talos wants to wreck, Shar wants to unmake. Where Talos would set fire to a forest, Shar wants that forest to never have existed at all.
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AJA
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Shar wants it to end. She's not a goddess of destruction, she's a goddess of nihilism. Where Talos wants to wreck, Shar wants to unmake. Where Talos would set fire to a forest, Shar wants that forest to never have existed at all.

Yes. Talos doesn't want the world to end because he wants an audience. He's not into entropy like Shar, he's into grand spectacle. Destruction is loud, flashy, titanic, but only if there's someone around to witness it ("if a tree falls in the forest...").

He's a narcissist. He's the Michael Bay of the gods.


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xaeyruudh
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Posted - 25 Jul 2019 :  06:27:47  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by LordofBones

Where Talos would set fire to a forest, Shar wants that forest to never have existed at all.


This isn't consistent with her "Lady of Loss" title. Loss and forgetfulness are in her portfolio in 3e, at least, and to me that speaks of aging and ailments like Alzheimer's -- the anguish of inexorable decline and being powerless against it. The kind of emotional pain that most people don't speak of. That goes along with the "dark" and "night" in her portfolio too.

I think I take exception with associating Shar directly with entropy also because as entropy takes over and reality (or the social fabric, on a smaller scale) disintegrates, there's less and less activity. The logical conclusion of entropy is absolute stillness. Yet Shar's faith is not apathetic. The 3e FRCS says "The dark is a time to act, not wait." It also says "Obey ranking clergy unless it would result in your own death" -- so one's own life is not meaningless, a la nihilism... life is worthwhile, useful, a positive... which argues against entropy as well.

Just my take on it. I think Shar and her church are actively, energetically sadistic, not entropic or apathetic or nihilistic.
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Posted - 25 Jul 2019 :  06:29:09  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by AJA

He's a narcissist. He's the Michael Bay of the gods.




Nice.
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Cards77
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Originally posted by xaeyruudh

quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones

Where Talos would set fire to a forest, Shar wants that forest to never have existed at all.


This isn't consistent with her "Lady of Loss" title. Loss and forgetfulness are in her portfolio in 3e, at least, and to me that speaks of aging and ailments like Alzheimer's -- the anguish of inexorable decline and being powerless against it. The kind of emotional pain that most people don't speak of. That goes along with the "dark" and "night" in her portfolio too.

I think I take exception with associating Shar directly with entropy also because as entropy takes over and reality (or the social fabric, on a smaller scale) disintegrates, there's less and less activity. The logical conclusion of entropy is absolute stillness. Yet Shar's faith is not apathetic. The 3e FRCS says "The dark is a time to act, not wait." It also says "Obey ranking clergy unless it would result in your own death" -- so one's own life is not meaningless, a la nihilism... life is worthwhile, useful, a positive... which argues against entropy as well.

Just my take on it. I think Shar and her church are actively, energetically sadistic, not entropic or apathetic or nihilistic.



I would tend to agree including the fact that Shar seems to find value in loss and all that goes with it, FOR ITS OWN SAKE.

Important point IMO

Losing and loss be definition strongly implies that the thing/feelings/whatever existed in the first place.

You cannot lose something that never existed.
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I'm always coming up with new book titles and adding them to treasure hoards. I have a huge spreadsheet of them. Give me a minute and I can pick out a few of the crazier titles.

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First, a few selections from Academic Papers and Other Non-Fiction:

Cursed Dolls of the World
An Illustrated Guide to Magical Fraud Among the Ancients
There's a Spell for That
To Eat or Not to Eat: A Guide to 3,000 Year Old Preserved Foods
The Benefits of Raising Chickens from the Dead
Nocturnal Anuresis and its Applications in Divination
1001 Uses for Duck Tripe, by Garrison Smeller
Dental Maladies of the Orcish Clans
101 Uses for Dead Slime Molds
Autopsy of a Beholder
An Analysis of Stability Degradation in Zombies, by Kaed'urn Do'ari'is
Mundane Diseases Often Mistaken for Lycanthropy
Is Thanatology a Distinctly Separate Discipline from Necromancy?
Methods of Cryptography Applied to Messy Handwrighting
Results of 308 Dischargings of a Wand of Wonder
Double Entry Bookkeeping for Wizards
Line, Square, Cube, Tessaract, by One Stein Albert
A Brief History of Thyme, by Stephen Cooking
The Fundamentals of Haruspication
In Search Of: (title of your next adventure module), by Amelior Amanitas
This Is Your Magic Staff
Tripping Over the Familiar: Insights on Animal Behavior
Big Band Theory
Three New Solutions to Piltertilk's Postulative Equations
Symbiogenesis of Myconids
The Wonderful World of Porridge
30 Recipes for Healing Potions, by Magestrix Noumea Drathchuld
The Ultimate Book of Dwarf Jokes
1,000 Uses for Dead Monsters, by Amelior Amanitas
Amelior Amanitas's Guide to Cats
Bilbo's Speed-Looting Guide
Frogs of the Moonshae Isles
Guerilla Tactics in the Town Market
Hard Tack Made Easy
How to Make Enemies and Beat Up People, by Lex Luthor King
How to Train Your Mimic
Master of the Dungeon, by Gary Greataxe
Making Undeath Work
Serpent Milking for the Complete Klutz, by Elaith Craulnober
That Bass! by Noah Zarch
Olgracia Lightfoot's Gude to Preserving Ancient Texts
Marfa Knitbrow's Guide to Preserving Ancient Texts Without Magic
The Needs and Wants of Evil Dragons, by Krashos Morueme
Chumming for Sea Monsters, by Noah Zarch
Lord Gray's Anatomy of the Illithid Body
The Encyclopedia of Technology and Superstition, by Tarkas Thunderstaff
The Magister's Guide to Wall Spells, by Magister Imrul Athelzedar

If you think these are interesting, you should see the fiction titles. I could write an entire article on just the Little Esturel series, but those probably wouldn't be in your lich's library.

Disintegration is in the eye of the Beholder.

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AJA
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Originally posted by LordXenophon
To Eat or Not to Eat: A Guide to 3,000 Year Old Preserved Foods

This is absolutely a book that would be written somewhere in the Realms. And has probably gone through at least a dozen updates and revisions.



Also, we all know that humor is highly subjective and that the only amusing or punnish titles that are funny are the ones we personally come up with, but this;
quote:
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Amelior Amanitas's Guide to Cats

I like this very much. I don't know why. But I'm totally stealing it.


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MEMOIRS/GENERAL MUSINGS
A Hundred Years Since The Grave (1093DR, Dlaerph the Masked, Wizard-King of Talimdrar)
The Art of Roaring (1347DR, Billobaris "Bull-Roarer" Barrellbuck)
Embraced By A Goddess (1356DR, Farathae Fire-Winged, The Flower That Blooms [Of Pearl and Gold], High Priestess of the House of the Sunset Gates)
Horizons Vast and Lost: An Archmage Contemplates Life at Five Hundred (1359DR, Dlaerph the Deathless)
My First Hundred Years (959DR, Dlaerph the Grey, First Stave of Talimdrar)

SAGE TREATISES [ ANIMAL LORE ]
The Beast-Book of Glun Ever-Odder
Fantasticals of Faerūn, Vol.4: The Golden Roseate of Tethyr, The Iron-Cast Beast and The Ruby-Combed Cock of the Madrisoars (1220DR, Daskarn of Berdusk)
More Fur Than Flesh: An Accounting of Lycanthropy, Its' Causes, And Methods of Extirpation (1267DR, Tarrael the Quiet, Sage of Elturel)
On the Dangerous Creatures of the Northern Lands (1096DR, Maurandra Myrmelleth, Master of Scrolls of the Brightstars Tower)
Wyrms and How to Know Them (727DR, Thelvastra the Wise)

SAGE TREATISES [ THE ART and MAGICAL THEORY ]
A Magician's Guide to Magical Lubricants, Sympathetic Inks, Ointments and Greases (1132DR, Cecaedra Brosnagh, Greensage of Corwell)
A New Treatise on the Elements of Magic (1279DR, Vlamander of the Ten Tempests)
Elucidations of Magecraft (1023DR, Eroaith the Old Stave, Archmage of Mintamber)
Imcala's Magical and Practical Theories of Elemental Flame: Revised Version With Rules and Examples for the Proper Useage of Planar Incandescence (1088DR, Imcala of Candlekeep)
Mystic Theories and Knowledge of the Netherese (676DR, Glorphest the Murmurous)

SAGE TREATISES [ WAR and THE MARTIAL ARTS ]
The Amnian Way: Fighting Styles for Fighting Merchants (1286DR, Halarmun of Athkatla)
Fflera's Manual of Arms (1330DR, Fflera Sunsleer)
To Conquer A Kingdom (Maist Belachos, Grim-Eyed, Lion of Anhur)
The Truth of Steel (1249DR, Beleron of Tempus)
Urevel's Book of Battleboldness

TRAVELOGUES [ "TRUE-TELL-ALLS" ]
A Journey Through Many Dangerous Things (1364DR, Bungol the Brave)
Into Depths Unknown (1239DR, Vauntra of Impiltur, Bold-Bright of Tymora)
The Strange Voyage and Adventures of Durask Azhawk, to the World in the Moon (1308DR, Durask Azhawk, Boldest Blade of Tymora)
Through the Hushed Depths: An Exact and Concise Account of Deep-Delving (1336DR, Nirist Half-Blood)
The Wonderful, Surprising and Uncommon Voyages and Adventures of Glandurl Ringfrost, Master of the Soaring Songbird (940DR, Glandurl Ringfrost, Sailor of Both Sea and Sky)

The Five CHAPBOOKS Currently Popular in Waterdeep
Asthemerelle's Golden Guidebook: A Precise and Tasteful Manual of Noble Fashions and Fads in the Year of the Gauntlet and Beyond ("The Lady Asthemerelle," popular pen-name, author unknown)
Blackwul's Blades of the Northern Heroes (Thentas Blackwul, sage of Yartar)
Blood-Red Tales (As Told By One Who Knows) (Arsklaur the Bitten Sage)
Seven True Tales of Lost Netheril (Undlarra Maurhawk)
Tales Told Over A Wayfire (various)



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sleyvas
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These are all wonderful, especially the several I see with "inside jokes" like Gary Greataxe, but I in particular love these as particularly "realmsian" to me.

quote:
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Results of 308 Dischargings of a Wand of Wonder
Symbiogenesis of Myconids
1,000 Uses for Dead Monsters, by Amelior Amanitas
Serpent Milking for the Complete Klutz, by Elaith Craulnober
The Needs and Wants of Evil Dragons, by Krashos Morueme
The Magister's Guide to Wall Spells, by Magister Imrul Athelzedar



I would change one of the titles to "sembiogenesis of Myconids, Vegepygmies, and Campestris near Araumycos"

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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quote:
Originally posted by AJA
we all know that humor is highly subjective and that the only amusing or punnish titles that are funny are the ones we personally come up with


This was not meant as a list of jokes. The reason you don't get most of the puns is because most of the titles don't contain any. This is simply a selection of books that seem odd enough to be found in the library of an insane lich.

All of these books have been found and looted by my players, over the years.

Disintegration is in the eye of the Beholder.

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quote:
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highly subjective

HIGH•LY ('ha? li)
adv.
1. extremely: highly amusing.

SUB·JEC·TIVE (s?b-jek'tiv)
adj.
1.
b. Based on a given person's experience, understanding, and feelings; personal or individual: admitted he was making a highly subjective judgment.

quote:
Originally posted by LordXenophon
This was not meant as a list of jokes. The reason you don't get most of the puns is because most of the titles don't contain any.
quote:
Originally posted by LordXenophon
The Benefits of Raising Chickens from the Dead
Line, Square, Cube, Tessaract, by One Stein Albert
A Brief History of Thyme, by Stephen Cooking
Big Band Theory


Ah. My apologies. Carry on with your srs bsns then.


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sleyvas
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Hey, the chickens from the dead book... it made me think, any creatures in the realms known to regenerate, eat junk, but that are also possibly tasty? I say this thinking eating troll would be nasty. Hmmm, a half-troll rothe….

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Your insane lich might also have copies of a few of these biographies:

Grogald the Dragonslayer - The Untold Story
Hans Sunite Anderson, by Mika Snome
Maldiglas the Magnificent, by Third Reader Obar Castanov
Magisters Remembered, by Starbearer Benten Ford of the Starry Quill
Nurse Delphene, by Sir Gunther Thorp
Shoon IV, by Third Reader Obar Castanov
Sister Mary Agnes. by Third Reader Obar Castanov
Ten Black Days of Eleint, by Sir Guideon Dauntrael
The Dragon Magister, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
The Flame of the North, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
The Great Bigby, by Elminster the Sage
The Mysterious, Talking Cloud, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
The Night of Fourteen Magisters, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
The Voyages of Driz'zt, by Danilo Thann
True Stories of the Waterdeep Watch, by Armar Bjorn Bjornson
Tyranthraxus, by Bishop Braccio (98% fact free)
Who Was One Stein Albert?, by Snilloc

...and some of these autobiograpies:

34 Days in Anauroch, by Sir Guideon Dauntrael
Big Explosions Come in Small Packages, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
Called Shot Eyeball, by Chase Trueshot
Have Spellbook, Will Travel, by Snilloc
I Am Woman, Hear Me Blow Things Up, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
I Walked the Starry Road, by Sir Guideon Dauntrael
Martek, by Martek (which first appeared in Desert of Desolation)
No Crypt Unopened, by Levall Hunecson
Petite but Powerful, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
Short Skirt, Tall Hat, by Dianna P. Wands-Thunderstaff
The Year of the Minotaur Paladin, by Magestrix Immue Dathril
To Be a War Wizard, by Sir Guideon Dauntrael
To Cut a King's Beard, by Elminster the Barber
Voyages of the Sea Sprite, by Driz'zt Do'Urden

...or perhaps this diary:

Akmire - The Unauthorized Autobiography, by Ohtilob Mailliw

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Okay, my memory may be fuzzy but I recall the idea of liches ingesting larvae was to maintain their existence as liches. As time goes by they eventually become demiliches but the ingesting of the larvae staves this off long enough for them to acquire the lore they need/want before transitioning to that state. I think this info comes from Lords of Darkness (1e reference book). I'll need to look it up.

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That was one specific lich, whose lichdom process was flawed. There was only ever supposed to be the one. Without them, he would not have lasted long enough to become a demilich.

Disintegration is in the eye of the Beholder.

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There were Planescape references - liches dealing with hags to get a stable supply of larvae, IIRC. So, not unique.
Then again, liches and their processes in general may differ a lot, it's not an "ISO standard" procedure. Perhas some do, some don't. Just like with demilichdom.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Arcanamach

Okay, my memory may be fuzzy but I recall the idea of liches ingesting larvae was to maintain their existence as liches. As time goes by they eventually become demiliches but the ingesting of the larvae staves this off long enough for them to acquire the lore they need/want before transitioning to that state. I think this info comes from Lords of Darkness (1e reference book). I'll need to look it up.



Hmm, ok I didn't know this. I'm interested in hearing more.

In the module it only says that Azimer uses summoned creatures to provide him with a steady supply of larvae.

I haven't seen a comprehensive write up of the connection between larvae and lich.
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