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sleyvas
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Posted - 13 Apr 2019 :  17:56:06  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Just curious. The other day I mentioned that I felt it rather odd that there's not any female music gods, but there's essentially 3 male gods (finder, Oghma, and . I just came across an obscure "non-canon because its part of a dragon article" goddess in dragon 236 in the "Seldarine Revisited" article. She's Melira Taralen and "its said" that her mother is Hanali Celanil. The article specifically mentions her being a friendly rival and ally of Milil and having Oghma as an ally. She's just a minor goddess, but I was thinking on the idea of maybe making her less minor in other areas of Toril. For instance, I was thinking something along the lines of having her be popular amongst the avariel in a remote area of the realms...


So, that being said, that just brought up the idea... what other canon or semi-canon gods of music are there that maybe I'm just not thinking of?

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Irennan
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Posted - 13 Apr 2019 :  18:15:40  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eilistraee is also a goddess of music, alongside dance.

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Demzer
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Going with just canonical "portfolios" Eilistraee and Corellon are the two that immediately spring to mind.

Then I had to check the sources (the Boyd's Deity Books) because I was pretty sure almost all racial pantheons had one but I was mistaken. Again, only counting portfolio elements of song/music you have to add to the list Sheela Peryroyl (halfling pantheon) and Hathor (from the Mulhorandi pantheon with folk music, dance and poetry!).

A case could be made for Finder Wyvernspur, through "transformation of arts" but this would open the floodgate for a lot of gods with neighbouring portfolio elements (Lathander, Lliira, Sune, Sharess, Hanali Celanil, Sharindlar, basically anyone related to arts, joy and dancing).

I find it curious that no northern/barbaric/war deity claims skalds or battle music, not even in the dwarven pantheon (although I would associate those with Haela Brightaxe and her dominion over love/joy of battle)!

And if we get down to this level of detail I also think we could make a case for dirge singers and mourners associated with the churches of the more chill churches of death/the dead (I don't see Yurtrus sponsoring a musical tradition, but it might suit Kelemvor or Osiris).

EDIT: Ah good, good, our local Eilistraeean(?) specialist got you while I was researching and writing.

Edited by - Demzer on 13 Apr 2019 18:48:22
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LordofBones
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Posted - 14 Apr 2019 :  09:34:55  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
While she isn't a music god, Shar does have the Nightsinger as an avatar form, so there's probably a musical tradition in the Church of Night.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 14 Apr 2019 :  15:37:03  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sheela Peryroyl… good find. I definitely see the halflings having a god of music, but I always picture her as more of a nature goddess...but as I reread up on her, she's very interesting. Love, music, dance, beauty in addition to nature, agriculture and weather. Actually except that she's a halfling, she'd be the perfect fit for the goddess Eldunna that I was creating for my Metahel Pantheon, who is a hostage from the "Faerir" tribe (mimicking the Aesir-Vanir Exchange of Freya and Freyr, and their father Njord, mirrored in mine with Eldunna and Faerthandir, and their father Faeyordon.


Which, just to focus my own thoughts, writing this out. My original thoughts were to use the name Faerir to mimic both Faerun and Faerie, to say these may be interloping gods from Faerun or from the Seldarine. But the idea of Sheela makes me also realize halfling exchange hostages could be an interesting inclusion, especially if we say that the "northmen" society has a unique version of halflings amongst them if only they had a sun god to be her brother. Anyway, was wanting to have the elves of Anchorome also worshipping this metahel sun god Faerthandir (Freyr equivalent) to also mimic the idea that in Norse society frey was god of the elves.... so a non-Seldarine god.... in addition to Tarsellis Meunniduin as a mountain/snow god and Fenmarel Mestarine as a shape changing wolf god (to include some Lythari amongst the elves of Anchorome as well). It hits me as well that both those entities would fit well in a northmen pantheon now (one associated to wolves and hunting, the other snow/mountains). I may just want to have more Faerir hostages exchanged if I can find any more "lost" or "doesn't play well with the Seldarine" elven gods to actually associate to both Anchorome and the Northmen. Some of these "elven" gods could easily interlope into some other societies. Let me relook more at that "Seldarine Revisited" article with that concept in mind.... might be more than a god of music that I want to steal.

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moonbeast
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Posted - 14 Apr 2019 :  18:31:10  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How about that Faerunian pantheon goddess of hedonism and partying…. I think it's Lliira? Portfolio includes Dance, Life, IIRC. Not music, but at least dancing is included. Dancing would be difficult without music, however.
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TBeholder
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Posted - 15 Apr 2019 :  00:06:52  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by sleyvas

Just curious. The other day I mentioned that I felt it rather odd that there's not any female music gods,
No, why?
That no one has "Music" in portfolio at all is somewhat curious, however.
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but there's essentially 3 male gods (finder, Oghma, and .
Oghma's portfolio includes bards on storytelling and [poetic] inspiration sides, not music as such.
Milil is the god of song.
Finder kind of sits on the border between Milil, Oghma and Lathander as the patron of developing bardic tradition.
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I just came across an obscure "non-canon because its part of a dragon article" goddess in dragon 236 in the "Seldarine Revisited" article. She's Melira Taralen and "its said" that her mother is Hanali Celanil. The article specifically mentions her being a friendly rival and ally of Milil and having Oghma as an ally. She's just a minor goddess, but I was thinking on the idea of maybe making her less minor in other areas of Toril. For instance, I was thinking something along the lines of having her be popular amongst the avariel in a remote area of the realms...

Avarielses are focused on their Winged Mother. They also tend to be low in numbers and have their hands full as it is.
Given that, seriously "expanding" into persistent veneration of other deities (as opposed to individuals, especially wizards and wanderers, picking a handful of other gods) would be strange.

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Originally posted by Irennan

Eilistraee is also a goddess of music, alongside dance.

"butt-neckid moonlit dance" - yes, song - yes, music - where?

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Edited by - TBeholder on 15 Apr 2019 00:34:50
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sleyvas
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Posted - 15 Apr 2019 :  01:26:18  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
[quote] I just came across an obscure "non-canon because its part of a dragon article" goddess in dragon 236 in the "Seldarine Revisited" article. She's Melira Taralen and "its said" that her mother is Hanali Celanil. The article specifically mentions her being a friendly rival and ally of Milil and having Oghma as an ally. She's just a minor goddess, but I was thinking on the idea of maybe making her less minor in other areas of Toril. For instance, I was thinking something along the lines of having her be popular amongst the avariel in a remote area of the realms...

Avarielses are focused on their Winged Mother. They also tend to be low in numbers and have their hands full as it is.
Given that, seriously "expanding" into persistent veneration of other deities (as opposed to individuals, especially wizards and wanderers, picking a handful of other gods) would be strange.




Avariels may be low in numbers in Faerun/Kara-Tur/Zakhara, but that's just a fraction of Toril. There are elven tribes on Toril that even have problems speaking with the elves of Evermeet (i.e. the Poscadari). The northern areas of Anchorome possibly correspond to areas in which the Aea'ree were. Given that the Ee'aar are a race of "winged elven folk" in Mystara... I wouldn't be surprised to find some kind of link between the two worlds and the aearee and the Ee'aar. Also, I do find it interesting that in most areas where both avariels and aarakocra are found the two tend to not get along (granted, that will happen when two groups vie for the same resources).

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Irennan
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Posted - 16 Apr 2019 :  14:24:24  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by TBeholder

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Eilistraee is also a goddess of music, alongside dance.

"butt-neckid moonlit dance" - yes, song - yes, music - where?



It's listed among Eilistraee's portfolios. If you meant to say that it says song and not specifically music, well, it's not much of leap, and given how Eilistraee promotes the development and teaching of music, and taking care and building musical instruments...

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TBeholder
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Originally posted by sleyvas

Avariels may be low in numbers in Faerun/Kara-Tur/Zakhara, but that's just a fraction of Toril. There are elven tribes on Toril that even have problems speaking with the elves of Evermeet (i.e. the Poscadari). The northern areas of Anchorome possibly correspond to areas in which the Aea'ree were.

Good point., we don't know about them more than "they exist". Then again, no articular reason to think they worship the Seldarine, either.
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Given that the Ee'aar are a race of "winged elven folk" in Mystara... I wouldn't be surprised to find some kind of link between the two worlds and the aearee and the Ee'aar.
And... "avariel"?

The link to there and to the rest of Avariel/Aaracokra diaspora may be simply Plane of Air. Whether via conventional ways or vortices. Or artificial vortices, for that matter — if there's Maelstrom (level 9) creating a huge vortex capable of dragging ships to Water, why not a small scale elemental vortex-opener for Air?
Whatever was the path, there were mentions of them giving up planar travel because they get mistaken for celestials, implying they have tried.
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Also, I do find it interesting that in most areas where both avariels and aarakocra are found the two tend to not get along (granted, that will happen when two groups vie for the same resources).

Huh. I didn't see this one. Where?

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sleyvas
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Posted - 18 Apr 2019 :  17:40:49  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by TBeholder

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

Avariels may be low in numbers in Faerun/Kara-Tur/Zakhara, but that's just a fraction of Toril. There are elven tribes on Toril that even have problems speaking with the elves of Evermeet (i.e. the Poscadari). The northern areas of Anchorome possibly correspond to areas in which the Aea'ree were.

Good point., we don't know about them more than "they exist". Then again, no articular reason to think they worship the Seldarine, either.
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Given that the Ee'aar are a race of "winged elven folk" in Mystara... I wouldn't be surprised to find some kind of link between the two worlds and the aearee and the Ee'aar.
And... "avariel"?

The link to there and to the rest of Avariel/Aaracokra diaspora may be simply Plane of Air. Whether via conventional ways or vortices. Or artificial vortices, for that matter — if there's Maelstrom (level 9) creating a huge vortex capable of dragging ships to Water, why not a small scale elemental vortex-opener for Air?
Whatever was the path, there were mentions of them giving up planar travel because they get mistaken for celestials, implying they have tried.
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Also, I do find it interesting that in most areas where both avariels and aarakocra are found the two tend to not get along (granted, that will happen when two groups vie for the same resources).

Huh. I didn't see this one. Where?



Good point on the similarities of "avariel" sound to aearee and ee'arr. I feel like there's a story here that could use some development.

On the avariels and aarakocra not getting along, it was something I only recently noted as well (as in the last year or two). One was in dungeon #178 (Backdrop Chessenta). The other was something I recall reading, and I want to say it involved the High Forest, but I don't recall where. Both may have been tied to 4e however, so pre-spellplague may have been different.

[/i]Adder Hills: This majestic chain of soaring earthmotes is one of the most inspiring sights in all Faerûn. A century ago, when the cerulean fires of the Spellplague crisscrossed the land, the Adder Hills escaped their earthly bonds to float a thousand feet or more over the Chessentan frontier. Despite periodic shifts in elevation, the flying peaks remain more or less in a fixed position over the cratered landscape below.

Few cross underneath the Adder Hills without some trepidation that the mighty peaks might crash down upon them at a moment’s notice. The floating isles are home to warring tribes of aarakocra and avariel, neither of which welcome outsiders into their lands.[/i]


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