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killerasus
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Posted - 07 Jan 2019 :  15:57:19  Show Profile  Visit killerasus's Homepage Send killerasus a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I noticed in the Forgotten Realms Style Guide a change in the Calendar of Harptos comparison to our real world calendar: in previous editions (AD&D 2nd), Hammer was January. In the FRSG, Hammer is compared to December.

Is it a mistake or is it a reflection of the season changes from the Second Sundering that SCAG mentioned?

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sleyvas
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Posted - 07 Jan 2019 :  16:57:20  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
gods, with all the things that we have to keep up with in regards to this game... seriously, why f*** with this? I'm hoping its a mistake and not someone making a change just to make a change, because otherwise that's just entirely frivolous BS. There is so much more that can be done to make the world better.

And looking at the 5e SCAG, the first month is listed as Hammer.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas

Edited by - sleyvas on 07 Jan 2019 17:00:40
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Garen Thal
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Posted - 08 Jan 2019 :  01:18:00  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Style Guide reflects an in-house decision at WotC to align the winter and summer equinoxes (which are called "Midwinter" and "Midsummer" in our world) with the Midwinter and Midsummer celebrations in-world. I vocally opposed this decision, but refused to make it the hill on which I'd die, which is why the text about the seasons possibly/probably falling back to their previous cycle follows (SCAG, 15).

Basically, the shift of the winter equinox went from Nightal 20 to Hammer 31/Alturiak 0, which is a shift of 40 days. The same for the summer equinox. This would have wrought unholy havoc on crop cycles, and if it becomes a permanent change, will just result in the migration of the annual festivalsówhich don't care one little bit about the synchronicity of FaerŻnian and Earth Midwinter, but absolutely wouldn't keep celebrating a holiday like Greengrass on a date when it's unlikely that there is any actual green grass.

(Greengrass is a spring festival roughly equivalent to Beltane/May Day, and to hold it on the equivalent of 20 or 21 March doesn't make any sense.)

Which reminds me to get back to my Calendar of Harptos product, when I get the chance...
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 08 Jan 2019 :  22:15:23  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Minor compared to some of the other things they have changed, but it just seems like another indication of them doing things willy-nilly, even changing things within the edition.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 09 Jan 2019 :  00:29:49  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Garen Thal

The Style Guide reflects an in-house decision at WotC to align the winter and summer equinoxes (which are called "Midwinter" and "Midsummer" in our world) with the Midwinter and Midsummer celebrations in-world. I vocally opposed this decision, but refused to make it the hill on which I'd die, which is why the text about the seasons possibly/probably falling back to their previous cycle follows (SCAG, 15).

Basically, the shift of the winter equinox went from Nightal 20 to Hammer 31/Alturiak 0, which is a shift of 40 days. The same for the summer equinox. This would have wrought unholy havoc on crop cycles, and if it becomes a permanent change, will just result in the migration of the annual festivalsówhich don't care one little bit about the synchronicity of FaerŻnian and Earth Midwinter, but absolutely wouldn't keep celebrating a holiday like Greengrass on a date when it's unlikely that there is any actual green grass.

(Greengrass is a spring festival roughly equivalent to Beltane/May Day, and to hold it on the equivalent of 20 or 21 March doesn't make any sense.)

Which reminds me to get back to my Calendar of Harptos product, when I get the chance...



Yeah, it wouldn't be a hill I'd die over either. I'd just roll my eyes and go "really" and make it abundantly clear that there's a lot more interesting stuff to worry about. Then I'd probably spend the rest of the day belittling all their ideas with snide remarks about changing the months.

In fact, in 3e, they said "The months of Faerun roughly correspond to the months of the Gregorian calendar." 1st and 2nd edition specifically compared Hammer to January. So, changing it is basically changing for change sake.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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sno4wy
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Posted - 09 Jan 2019 :  18:35:03  Show Profile Send sno4wy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wait, so what does this mean for the starting and ending months for major events? For instance, the Spellplague struck on Tarsakh 29 in 1385 DR, so in universe, does that mean that by this new reckoning, the Spellplague started in Ches instead? Or is it a global retcon and declaring that this new reckoning is how it's always been?
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 09 Jan 2019 :  18:37:41  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think it means the same thing it has always meant, they don't care about continuity, what matters is what they have written right now.

If tomorrow they write that Tiamat has never existed in the realms then that's all that matters, not how it affects previous or even current editions or how it affects the in world history. Canon now is a constantly reinvented cycle of kewl ideas.

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Garen Thal
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Posted - 09 Jan 2019 :  21:27:48  Show Profile  Visit Garen Thal's Homepage Send Garen Thal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sno4wy

Wait, so what does this mean for the starting and ending months for major events? For instance, the Spellplague struck on Tarsakh 29 in 1385 DR, so in universe, does that mean that by this new reckoning, the Spellplague started in Ches instead? Or is it a global retcon and declaring that this new reckoning is how it's always been?

The equivalence to our Gregorian months has nothing to do with the actual tracking of time. It's about the rough equivalence in terms of climate, weather, crop patterns, etc.
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sno4wy
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Posted - 10 Jan 2019 :  04:14:02  Show Profile Send sno4wy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Garen ThalThe equivalence to our Gregorian months has nothing to do with the actual tracking of time. It's about the rough equivalence in terms of climate, weather, crop patterns, etc.



Sorry, I should've been more clear. My question was more along the lines of, is the Gregorian equivalence the only thing that's changed? In universe, the calendar is the same as its always been, rather than having been re-figured to adapt to changes in climate, weather, crop patterns, etc, post-Sundering?
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