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George Krashos
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Posted - 27 Oct 2018 :  04:21:36  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Has had a lot of rulers. Just thought I'd let you all know.

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I DID NOT KNOW THIS!

I am copying and pasting that info to a text file right now, so it will always be handy.

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moonbeast
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Or maybe just One Eternal Ruler. Who was the same person who was just re-surrected and/or cloned repeatedly, and assumed a different name each time.

Kinda like Manshoon and Fzoul. They never really die. They just get regurgitated.
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 27 Oct 2018 :  07:34:44  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
no... I'm pretty sure Fzoul is finally dead now. Did I miss another resurrection?
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Does that mean a new dynasty is in the detailing.

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That's unfair teasing!

I'm a big fan of Calimshan (and all the southern Sword Coast, thanks to the impressive work of Steven Schend, who will never be praised enough) and now I'm extremely curious as to what you will come up with.
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George Krashos
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Posted - 28 Oct 2018 :  01:23:33  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Does that mean a new dynasty is in the detailing.



You know me. Always tinkering on a bunch of things at once.

Just a question: those of you familiar with the monarch tables in GHotR, if you were to see a product that had the list of rulers for Calimshan and it took up over 10 or so pages, would you think "information overload", "waste of space", "fantastic!", "gimme more" or "overkill"? Or any reaction really. Just curious.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 28 Oct 2018 05:03:40
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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Does that mean a new dynasty is in the detailing.



You know me. Always tinkering on a bunch of things at once.

Just a question: those of you familiar with the monarch tables in GHotR, if you were to see a product that had the list of rulers for Calimshan and it took up over 10 or so pages, would you think "information overload", "waste of space", "fantastic!", "gimme more" or "overkill"? Or any reaction really. Just curious.

-- George Krashos



Depends, are there notes beside each ruler like in GHotR with maybe just a BIT more detail than what's written on those? If there are, sure, I'd love it. Courtly machinations are the stuff upon which we've all gnawed our teeth.

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I can only speak for myself, but I would sell pieces of myself to acquire it and then treasure it forever, lovingly examining the document regularly looking for new nuances and hidden meaning in the lore

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Asharak
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Posted - 28 Oct 2018 :  10:16:02  Show Profile  Visit Asharak's Homepage Send Asharak a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Just a question: those of you familiar with the monarch tables in GHotR, if you were to see a product that had the list of rulers for Calimshan and it took up over 10 or so pages, would you think "information overload", "waste of space", "fantastic!", "gimme more" or "overkill"? Or any reaction really. Just curious.

-- George Krashos



gimme more

"Soyez réalistes : demandez l'impossible"

Sorry for my English... it's not my native tongue.

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 28 Oct 2018 :  11:49:54  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Does that mean a new dynasty is in the detailing.



You know me. Always tinkering on a bunch of things at once.

Just a question: those of you familiar with the monarch tables in GHotR, if you were to see a product that had the list of rulers for Calimshan and it took up over 10 or so pages, would you think "information overload", "waste of space", "fantastic!", "gimme more" or "overkill"? Or any reaction really. Just curious.

-- George Krashos



I would say that the GHotR tables are good but they should give some details about the monarch beyond simple lineage. Something about their reign would be nice.

Somewhere between those brief snippets and the detail level of Empires of the Shining Sea would be nice.
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Demzer
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Just a question: those of you familiar with the monarch tables in GHotR, if you were to see a product that had the list of rulers for Calimshan and it took up over 10 or so pages, would you think "information overload", "waste of space", "fantastic!", "gimme more" or "overkill"? Or any reaction really. Just curious.

-- George Krashos



Give us all you've got
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Brimstone
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Sounds great George!

I want to know what a certain Shoon Archmage Lich that was trapped in the Tome of The Unicorn is up too now. WotC wasted a wonderful Plot Hook in the 3E Era.

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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 28 Oct 2018 :  14:20:04  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I heard he was laid low by someone using "Jarnya's Tome" sorry spelling.. They drained him. I liked the irony so i remembered that... maybe that was from one of the homebrew websites online.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Oct 2018 :  14:30:47  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

Sound great George!

I want to know what a certain Shoon Archmage Lich that was trapped in the Tome of The Unicorn is up too now. WotC wasted a wonderful Plot Hook in the 3E Era.



They dropped pretty much all potential plot hooks when they flipped from 2E to 3E.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 28 Oct 2018 :  14:37:50  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage
I would say that the GHotR tables are good but they should give some details about the monarch beyond simple lineage. Something about their reign would be nice.

Somewhere between those brief snippets and the detail level of Empires of the Shining Sea would be nice.



For 300+ rulers that's not really feasible. And that's just Calimshan. But there might be a way to give a bit more information than what is currently available.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Oct 2018 :  01:46:30  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hypothetically speaking, if I was going to try to cover some of the Calishite rulers, and I wanted to do it for the DM's Guild, I'd pick maybe half a dozen or a dozen of them, and give a very brief bio/synopsis of their rule -- and then, to make everything kosher, I'd write up a similar number of magical items associated with Calimshan and/or its rulers. Ideally, these items would have some connection to the rulers that were written about.

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Demzer
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I don't know how deep you are already in your work George, but I will put forth this wishlist and see how it goes.

I'm assuming that by restricting to Calimshan you mean that you are starting from the unification of Coramshan and Monrativi Thesy Mir in -5005 DR under Bakkal and Murabir Ukhar IV so the first point of the wishlist is more information about this guy, the "founding father".
Second on the wishlist is the unnamed bakkal of the militaristic Tavihr dinasty that held the beholder armies at bay but was assassinated with his heirs in -2381 DR.
Third is Pasha Nakkar IV of the Erehnirs dinasty, because I want to know more about this guy that had eight 30-foot statues of himself carved out of mountainsides near Volothamp.
Fourth is Ylveraasahlisar the Rose Dragon, I think she fits the bill as ruler.
Fifth is anyone of the Drakhon priest-princes you deem most interesting: the one(s) that liberated Calimshan from the beholders, the one(s) holding the beating the beholders back on the Lake of Steam, the one(s) establishing the Imperial Navy, or the one(s) establishing the major roads and trading routes throughout the whole empire.
Sixth is not a ruler, but Ralamn the Calishite scout commander that through his deeds gave his name to the Ralamnish Ridings (later Amn).
Seventh would be the unnamed pasha that secured the loyalty of Florian Perry of the Perry Accords of -172 DR.

Oh well, I got carried away and made quite a long list, originally wanted to do 2 or 3 requests ... a man can dream, right?
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I'm just happy with the names and dates. Creating dynasties is hard work so don't burn yourself out, there are many more nations in Faerun left to do.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 30 Oct 2018 :  23:27:45  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I'm just happy with the names and dates. Creating dynasties is hard work so don't burn yourself out, there are many more nations in Faerun left to do.



I like your suggestions Demzer. Thanks.

The list of rulers is done and named, just have to insert a few more reigns (and lots of birth dates) for it to be "done". As for snippets on some selected calephs/bakkals/pashas/syl-pashas, that might be do-able.

Oh and one other thing. When the monarch tables were featured in GHotR, they were put in the middle of the book. Do people think that tables like that should be used in that fashion - i.e. to "break up" other material - or should they go at the end as Appendices?

Cheers and thanks for the feedback.

-- George Krashos

P.S. I've also done Coramshan and Mir.

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

[quote]Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I
Oh and one other thing. When the monarch tables were featured in GHotR, they were put in the middle of the book. Do people think that tables like that should be used in that fashion - i.e. to "break up" other material - or should they go at the end as Appendices?




It depends on the book. If it's divided into regional sections, put the table at the end of the relevant section. If it's something like the Grand History (which I still take credit for publicizing), then put it in an appendix. The vignettes and expanded entries broke up the material without being intrusive, but pages and pages of just names and dates is too intrusive to use that way.

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Demzer
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Oh and one other thing. When the monarch tables were featured in GHotR, they were put in the middle of the book. Do people think that tables like that should be used in that fashion - i.e. to "break up" other material - or should they go at the end as Appendices?

Cheers and thanks for the feedback.

-- George Krashos

P.S. I've also done Coramshan and Mir.



Appendices would work perfectly for me.
Personally I found the "break up" a little bit too intrusive and, as Wooly pointed out, vignettes and expanded entries took care of the job (but I don't know how this can apply to your new product).
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Thought a little more on this. As much as I'd love the data, I also look at our real world... how many of us can actually name all the presidents of the US in the last 200+ years. Granted, generally presidents change faster than hereditary rulers (lasting at most 8 years, whereas generational rulers should change about every 20 years). Add to that factor that many of them would have just held the seat and done little else. Then let's factor in that Calimshan has been around for roughly a little more than 6 millenia (which noting 300 x 20 = 6000), and I can see where there may have been a lot of rulers who need little more than a name, since we may not even have any kind of GHotR entry for that 20 year span.

Still, having said list could prove useful for other historians making up lore, in which case they can refer to it and note who was the ruler of the time.... and for those leaders that DID do something memorable, it would be great if we actually had more than a snippet... a whole paragraph about them might be nice. It could also be interesting where we find that those generational spans aren't following that standard 20 year pattern. Look at Queen Elizabeth of England. She's still kicking it, and her grandchildren are old enough to have children of their own now. Just seeing that occasionally might engender ideas in people, wherein the heir that's named may be 3 generations down (especially if the ruler used some means to enhance their lifespan... not every country has Cormyr's rules).



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George, that's amazing work, thanks! I may be an outlier, but I'll say for myself - a list of names and dates is interesting, but not especially useful to a home game. Without knowing something about the greater picture of what happened during their time, its just a list. Not everyone needs to be detailed - like @sleyvas alluded to, the US for example has had had plenty of "caretaker" Presidents in 200 years that don't really need mentioning. But some highlights that could provide fodder to build on would be awesome.

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Oh, and on the appendix or in the middle. Definitely appendix for long material. However, it may seem weird... but I always liked how they usually gave a small digestible timeline at the beginning of all the 2nd edition regional books. It gave me a quick "ok, build out WHAT happened overall", then the more detailed info that came later helped "solidify" in my head what the region was about.

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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

no... I'm pretty sure Fzoul is finally dead now. Did I miss another resurrection?



Last time we saw Fzoul he was the Demigod (Exarch) of arse kissing toadies of evil (to paraphrase) in 4e, we don't know what happened to him in 5e yet.
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