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talkitron
Acolyte

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Posted - 09 Sep 2018 :  19:17:11  Show Profile Send talkitron a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I haven't purchased most fifth edition game products and haven't purchased any 5E-timeline novels. It is clear from the internet discussion of game products that non-Chosen, human characters such as Volo are still alive, despite the large time gap between 3E and 5E. Is there a canon explanation for why Volo and other human characters are still alive?

Zeromaru X
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There is a semi-explanation in one of the earlier Onder magazines. IIRC, some authors used the Spellplague as an explanation. Other characters have less clear (there is no explanation for Mirt, for instance).

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BadLuckBugbear
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Posted - 09 Sep 2018 :  21:15:17  Show Profile Send BadLuckBugbear a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

There is a semi-explanation in one of the earlier Onder magazines. IIRC, some authors used the Spellplague as an explanation. Other characters have less clear (there is no explanation for Mirt, for instance).



I thought Mirt the Moneylender was soul-trapped in a magic axe and released a long time later.

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Edited by - BadLuckBugbear on 09 Sep 2018 21:15:44
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Irennan
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Volo was made a sort of chosen by Mystra, one of the many places where she hid a spark of her power before the Spellplague (she chose Volo because none of her enemies could have suspected him, and because he had shown himself able to survive through what many couldn't). Mirt was trapped in stasis in a bluefire item.

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talkitron
Acolyte

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Posted - 09 Sep 2018 :  22:11:14  Show Profile Send talkitron a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks all. Are Mirt and Volo the main non-Chosen humans to remain alive?
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Irennan
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Durnan is alive too, because he has a few potions of longevity in his treasure.

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 09 Sep 2018 :  23:57:17  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There are many, many many possibly explanations:

1st - this is a world where you can raise and resurrect the dead with a myriad of different magics.
2nd - numerous NPCs are long lived in some way (Chosen for example).
3rd - Ed made the bluefire items that brought his NPCs back and there was never a roster of who was all inside so fill em up.
4th - as mentioned above, some characters were whisked through time in some way by the spellplague.
5th - characters who are trapped somehow in magic would still be alive; the most basic possible examples of this entrapment are:
a) temporal stasis magic
b) petrification magic
c) long term sleep (like Phesult's sleep of the ages)
d) imprisonment magic
e) magic jar magics.
f) longevity magics (like elixirs of youth or, my personal favorite, rings of timelessness)
g) cloning magics (Manshoon anyone? :P)

All of these are basic explanations for how one would still be alive. A little creativity makes the possibilities nearly endless and this is a good thing. One of the reasons the Realms was, in my humble opinion, the best campaign world TSR had was the huge number of characters that all the novels and supplements gave DMs to work with. There were literally thousands of them. The time jump into 4th E ostensibly ruined that aspect of the realms so now you have to gimmick them back into fantasy life.
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Brimstone
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Yep, everything The Masked Mage said...

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Fineva
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Becoming a Sharn in service to the pentad of gods then dropping Sharn form when the Secret City is built.

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 10 Sep 2018 :  06:32:30  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah, forgot the Sharn thing - was not a fan so maybe I blocked it out.
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Ayrik
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The Realms has reincarnation ... not as strictly written in the spell descriptions ... but simply an explanation for a person/identity being "reborn" again at some later time, effectively identical to the "original" person, for reasons (great or small) beyond mortal understandings. Realmslore seems to do this a lot with popular/powerful elves.

The Realms also has time travel - accompanied by the usual baggage of time-editing and time-cheating and handwaved-paradoxes and parallel universes and all that.

And the Realms has always suffered the whims of deities and powers, gods and goddesses, angels and fiends, artifacts galore. Any of which can simply decree a person exists "just because".

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sleyvas
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weave ghosts, spectral mages, turning oneself into a magic item (as in instilling one's intellect into the item) are some I've used as well.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 10 Sep 2018 :  15:18:29  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Demiplane of Grodd is yet another example...

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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Starshade
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Using an vampiric dagger on a Shadovar.
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Lord Karsus
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-One could probably claim Elven ancestry somewhere in their past. Or some other long-lived race. Not enough to be considered a Half-X, but enough to extend their lifespans.

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 11 Sep 2018 :  01:38:41  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

weave ghosts, spectral mages, turning oneself into a magic item (as in instilling one's intellect into the item) are some I've used as well.


Still wish there was a good write-up for weave ghosts
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moonbeast
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Posted - 11 Sep 2018 :  03:00:23  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd just tell all my Players that all the "normal" NPCs of Faerun have been drinking their daily potions of Handwavium. So they get to live on forever and ever because…. "The God-Wizards of the Coast" willed it so.


You'd at least think that…. for the sake of verisimilitude…. that at least a few of these (non-mortal) NPCs would have died of old age, or at least would be super-old by the time of 5th Edition. I mean, think about it…. even the most LEGENDARY world-saving uber-heroes of Tolkien Fantasy had succumbed to old age and natural mortality (e.g. the great hero Bilbo Baggins is seen as a very old-aged Hobbit when he reprises in the LOTR). It was explained that his aging was greatly slowed during the years WHEN he possessed the One Ring. But when he voluntarily bequeathed the Ring to his nephew Frodo, the great hero Bilbo began to suffer the effects of natural aging (and mortality) once again.

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 11 Sep 2018 :  03:55:05  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bilbo never died... Neither did Frodo... just saying.
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talkitron
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Posted - 15 Sep 2018 :  19:29:42  Show Profile Send talkitron a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all the responses.
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