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Razz
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Posted - 17 Feb 2018 :  22:28:35  Show Profile  Visit Razz's Homepage  Send Razz an AOL message Send Razz a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Is there any such deity officially in the Realms? I am surprised there isn't one mentioned, considering how universal drunkenness is.

I look through the list and I can't really find any deity that fits this other than Lliira considering she is goddess of festivals, joy, dancing. Basically a "hard partying" goddess so I figure her patronage over alcohol would make sense.

Sharess is another, considering hedonism and sensual pleasure also could involve alcohol, but Lliira seems to be a better fit.

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The universality of it isn't the issue. The cultural importance of it is. Ilsensine once said he was surprised the Realms didn't have a god of "cups and saucers" -- but it's all about how people look at these things.

There's not a human god of mischief, either.

Pathfinder has a mercenary who became a deity on a drunken dare -- but even he isn't about drunkenness. He's about freedom, bravery, ale, and wine. And yes, those latter things can lead to drunkenness -- but he's more about drinking to have a good time.

Lliira would, I think, cover the same thing: alcohol as part of celebrating and having a good time.

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Saint Dionysus, called the drunken god, patron saint of wine and spirits of the alcoholic kind. :)
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Saint_Dionysus
He's a saint of the Church of Ilmater. I imagine the suffering aspect comes largely in the hangover. I play a very merry Monk/Drunken Master of his order.

There's almost certainly also a minor dwarven deity of drunkenness somewhere.

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quote:
Originally posted by BadCatMan


There's almost certainly also a minor dwarven deity of drunkenness somewhere.



I would think not. If you're drunk, you've lost control, and you're not being productive. Neither of these things appeal to dwarven minds, I should think.

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BadCatMan
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Hanseath, in the core 3.5 book Races of Stone, is a dwarf god of alcohol, carousing, and, as usual, war. His shrines are festhalls, his prayers are drinking songs, his rites are feasts.

And okay, that's specifically alcohol rather than drunkenness, but his priests are inevitably going to be buzzed, tipsy, soused, sloshed, plastered, or some other degree of drunk.

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Hanseath has to be one of my favorite new gods in a long long while. He fills a gap that was very much missing in general but also specifically for Dwarves.

We play the god as having been missing and suddenly he has a following again. Not sure if I or my players read this somewhere or we made it up at our table. But we have a fighter Dwarf who dipped a single level of cleric and we always joke that his strong belief in drinking and fighting is what brought back Hanseath. Part of his story at one point revolved around followers of the god finding him and bestowing on him Mithral Battle Plate, which makes the character look like a beer keg and leaves only his beard sticking out. All they asked for in return was he keep doing what he is doing but to mention Hanseath from time to time.

Great fun.

The party come to a town befallen by hysteria

Rogue: So what's in the general store?
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Rogue: Whatevers in the store.
DM: Like what?
Rogue: Everything.
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Rogue: Is there a cart outside?
DM: (rolls) Yes.
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quote:
Originally posted by BadCatMan

Saint Dionysus, called the drunken god, patron saint of wine and spirits of the alcoholic kind. :)
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Saint_Dionysus
He's a saint of the Church of Ilmater. I imagine the suffering aspect comes largely in the hangover. I play a very merry Monk/Drunken Master of his order.

There's almost certainly also a minor dwarven deity of drunkenness somewhere.



You know what... given that Ilmater is based on Issek of the Jug... and having never read the Fafhrd & Gray Mouser books, so I'm guessing.... did Issek of the Jug use drink as an aid in order to handle his torturing?

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BadCatMan
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I haven't read them either, but I came across Issek in Legends & Lore yesterday. One of his symbols is a jug, which he's depicted with. He can pour out any liquid he wishes.

However, from the Fafhrd & Gray Mouser books, it seems the jug is used to pour the "Waters of Peace from the Cistern of Cillivat". So probably not wine.
http://scrollsoflankhmar.com/rpgguide:issek

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I'm sure that aspects of Llira's portfolio would work and in fact, there might be a heretical element of her church - the Followers of the Flagon - who believe that you can only feel joy if you are in fact drunk or drugged.

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quote:
Originally posted by BadCatMan

I haven't read them either, but I came across Issek in Legends & Lore yesterday. One of his symbols is a jug, which he's depicted with. He can pour out any liquid he wishes.

However, from the Fafhrd & Gray Mouser books, it seems the jug is used to pour the "Waters of Peace from the Cistern of Cillivat". So probably not wine.
http://scrollsoflankhmar.com/rpgguide:issek



Gotcha. So Issek is more of a Jesus Christ figure. Interestingly enough though, it seems Issek had many different "aspects"... as there was apparently Issek of the Burnt Legs, Flayed Issek, Issek the armless, and many other "mutilated divinities of the same name". Given that our Ilmater is not specifically associated with being "racked to death" like Issek of the Jug, maybe he might represent "the overarching Issek" divinity.

Hmmmm, from that perspective.....yeah, about to commit some sacrilege.... Tyr and Ilmater.... they lived in the same house... part of the "Triad" together...



Now Issek of the Jug, whom Fafhrd chose to serve, was once
of the most lowly and unsuccessful of the gods, godlets
rather, in Lankhmar. He had dwelt there for about thirteen
years, during which time he had traveled only two squares up
the Street of the Gods and was now back again, ready for
oblivion. He is not to be confused with Issek the Armless,
Issek of the Burnt Legs, Flayed Issek, or any other of the
numerous and colorfully mutilated divinities of that name.
Indeed, his unpopularity may have been due in part to the
fact that the manner of his death -- racking -- was not
deemed particularly spectacular. ... However, after Fafhrd
became his acolyte, things somehow began to change.
[ Swords In The Mist, by Fritz Leiber ]

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Razz
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Ok maybe Drunkenness was the wrong word, but I basically mean something like Dionysus. Alcohol, wine, drunkenness. That kind of portfolio.

Except he's a Saint and not a deity with the portfolio in the Realms. It appears Lliira is the closest due to her "let's party!" aspect.
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quote:
Originally posted by BadCatMan

Hanseath, in the core 3.5 book Races of Stone, is a dwarf god of alcohol, carousing, and, as usual, war. His shrines are festhalls, his prayers are drinking songs, his rites are feasts.


Races of Stone is a generic D&D book, not set in the Realms. Another point to remember is that dwarves are highly resistant to toxic substances, and so to some effects of alcohol. Maybe drunkeness would be a state that goes beyond carousing, which would be their preference. And in it I agree with Wooly, about the importance of being productive and under self-control in dwarven society.

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Why not an entire pantheon of drunken Gods?

Or rather, various 'gods of alcohol & revelry' from all different pantheons have their own 'club'. Maybe a Finnish deity of Vodka (from Sossal), a good of ale for the dwarves (that hanseath dude), a good of mead from the Hin, We already have St. Dionysius for Wine, but perhaps we can separate wines as well? I can see a god of rice Wine from the Shou pantheon. Etc., etc...

Someone like Jack Sparrow should be the God of Rum.

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-From a certain point of view, you could maybe go with Moander.

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