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Tigon
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Posted - 17 Feb 2018 :  07:46:47  Show Profile Send Tigon a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
[urlhttps://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/9/97/KnightsOfTheShieldSymbol.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140606012752[/url]

I presume this is the Shield of Silvam, but Id like a fact check. It does NOT match the description of the Shield of the Hidden Lord, but it appears all but one of his entries.

Edited by - Tigon on 17 Feb 2018 12:12:33

Demzer
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Posted - 17 Feb 2018 :  13:06:05  Show Profile Send Demzer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's a rendition of the Shield of Silvam the Knights of the Shield use as a symbol but it's inspired by the real shield and not an exact replica.
You can find the image and description of the Shield of Silvam in the Lands of Intrigue boxed set, book III, Erlkazar and Folk of Intrigue page 26.
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Ayrik
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Artwork from Ned Dameron. In 2E TSR11627: Cloak & Dagger pages 65-80:
"The seal of the Knights is a circular shield with a central eye, surrounded by a circle of diamonds ...
...
The traditional colors of the Knights of the Shield are silver and gold, now seen to represent wealth. Diamonds and other gems or crystals are commonly worn on clothing and in jewellery as well, although the roots of this tradition - dating back to the crystal "eye" in the Shield of Silvam - are lost in the mists of history. Upon induction into the order, every Knight receives a round silver shield studded with jewels ...
...
The Knights of the Shield were founded as a semi religious order in the Year of Many Eyes (-170 DR), during the Eye Tyrant Wars that pitted Tethyr, Calimshan, and Iltkazar against the beholders of the Lake of Steam. Their symbol was the Shield of Silvam, crafted by Court Vizera Zahyra Bardson-Ithal and her mentor along with the Eye of Zahyra.
...
The collapse of the Shoon Empire in the Year of the Corrie Fist (450 DR) forced the Knights of the Shield to abandon many of their southern holdings ... during which time the Shield of Silvam, the symbol of the order, was lost.
The revival of the Knights of the Shield can be traced to the actions of Lord Tithklar Illehhune, second son of the reigning Duke of Dusk, in the Year of the Shining Shield (889 DR) ... In response to a series of mysterious dreams, the nobleborn warrior sought out a hitherto unknown barrow in the Fields of the Dead and discovered a bejeweled shield of incalculable worth with the ancient tomb. Inlaid with hundreds of tiny diamonds, emeralds, rubies, and sapphires in the shape of a snarling face, the shield spoke to the young lord in a bestial voice that haunted his dreams ... the young Lord Illehhune set about rebuilding the ancient order to its former position of power and wealth ... Noting that the decline of the Knights had coincided with the loss of the Shield of Silvam, the young lord recruited a group of fellow Knights of ambition and talent and convinced them that his discovery, which he took to calling the Shield of the Hidden Lord, was a gift from the gods to serve as the symbol of a reborn knighthood and the true shield that the order was meant to follow ... formed a secretive group within the Knights known as the Shield Council ... taking its cue from the infrequent utterances of the Shield of the Hidden Lord, set about revitalizing the order and restoring its former prominence.
...
The Hidden Lord of the Shield (a manifestation of Gargauth): The Shield Council has varied its members and organization over time, but it has always had one constant through its entire history: The Hidden Lord of the Shield.
The Shield of the Hidden Lord rarely speaks, as only Lord Hhune and Ghantuz the Cloaked have ever heard its malevolent voice ... Nevertheless, the artifact recovered centuries ago by Lord Tithklar Illehhune remains an ominous and discomforting presence in all meetings of the Shield Council.
(The Shield of the Hidden Lord, recovered from the Fields of the Dead in the Year of the Shining Shield, is a cursed artifact sacred to Gargauth the Outcast. Its appearance, powers, curses, and suggested means of destruction are all described.)
(In the description of Lord Alaric Hembreon a passage says: In the past, Hembreon viewed his position in the Knights as noblesse oblige, but the recent recovery of the Shield of Silvam has rekindled Hembreon's involvement in the order and interest in its history ...)"


Some other findings from the google search genie:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19353&whichpage=2
https://www.reddit.com/r/Forgotten_Realms/comments/7btxrb/shield_of_silvam/
http://dnd.eizzn.com/page/152/

And "Silvam" may be derived from silva or syl(va).

That's all I got.

[/Ayrik]
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sleyvas
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Posted - 17 Feb 2018 :  14:15:05  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Artwork from Ned Dameron. In 2E TSR11627: Cloak & Dagger pages 65-80:
"The seal of the Knights is a circular shield with a central eye, surrounded by a circle of diamonds ...
...
The traditional colors of the Knights of the Shield are silver and gold, now seen to represent wealth. Diamonds and other gems or crystals are commonly worn on clothing and in jewellery as well, although the roots of this tradition - dating back to the crystal "eye" in the Shield of Silvam - are lost in the mists of history. Upon induction into the order, every Knight receives a round silver shield studded with jewels ...
...
The Knights of the Shield were founded as a semi religious order in the Year of Many Eyes (-170 DR), during the Eye Tyrant Wars that pitted Tethyr, Calimshan, and Iltkazar against the beholders of the Lake of Steam. Their symbol was the Shield of Silvam, crafted by Court Vizera Zahyra Bardson-Ithal and her mentor along with the Eye of Zahyra.
...
The collapse of the Shoon Empire in the Year of the Corrie Fist (450 DR) forced the Knights of the Shield to abandon many of their southern holdings ... during which time the Shield of Silvam, the symbol of the order, was lost.
The revival of the Knights of the Shield can be traced to the actions of Lord Tithklar Illehhune, second son of the reigning Duke of Dusk, in the Year of the Shining Shield (889 DR) ... In response to a series of mysterious dreams, the nobleborn warrior sought out a hitherto unknown barrow in the Fields of the Dead and discovered a bejeweled shield of incalculable worth with the ancient tomb. Inlaid with hundreds of tiny diamonds, emeralds, rubies, and sapphires in the shape of a snarling face, the shield spoke to the young lord in a bestial voice that haunted his dreams ... the young Lord Illehhune set about rebuilding the ancient order to its former position of power and wealth ... Noting that the decline of the Knights had coincided with the loss of the Shield of Silvam, the young lord recruited a group of fellow Knights of ambition and talent and convinced them that his discovery, which he took to calling the Shield of the Hidden Lord, was a gift from the gods to serve as the symbol of a reborn knighthood and the true shield that the order was meant to follow ... formed a secretive group within the Knights known as the Shield Council ... taking its cue from the infrequent utterances of the Shield of the Hidden Lord, set about revitalizing the order and restoring its former prominence.
...
The Hidden Lord of the Shield (a manifestation of Gargauth): The Shield Council has varied its members and organization over time, but it has always had one constant through its entire history: The Hidden Lord of the Shield.
The Shield of the Hidden Lord rarely speaks, as only Lord Hhune and Ghantuz the Cloaked have ever heard its malevolent voice ... Nevertheless, the artifact recovered centuries ago by Lord Tithklar Illehhune remains an ominous and discomforting presence in all meetings of the Shield Council.
(The Shield of the Hidden Lord, recovered from the Fields of the Dead in the Year of the Shining Shield, is a cursed artifact sacred to Gargauth the Outcast. Its appearance, powers, curses, and suggested means of destruction are all described.)
(In the description of Lord Alaric Hembreon a passage says: In the past, Hembreon viewed his position in the Knights as noblesse oblige, but the recent recovery of the Shield of Silvam has rekindled Hembreon's involvement in the order and interest in its history ...)"


Some other findings from the google search genie:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19353&whichpage=2
https://www.reddit.com/r/Forgotten_Realms/comments/7btxrb/shield_of_silvam/
http://dnd.eizzn.com/page/152/

And "Silvam" may be derived from silva or syl(va).

That's all I got.



Speaking of Cloak and Dagger. I would kill for the little heraldry symbols from that product that are at the front of each chapter. I've tried to capture them into pain before and clean them up (like the ones for eldreth veluuthra and the daemonfey), and its doable but a pain in the butt. Does anyone by chance have the jpegs or whatever of the original artwork? This was around the time that I think TSR was loading them on the web for people to pull, but I'm not sure if they ever did.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Tigon
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Posted - 18 Feb 2018 :  04:37:56  Show Profile Send Tigon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Artwork from Ned Dameron. In 2E TSR11627: Cloak & Dagger pages 65-80:
"The seal of the Knights is a circular shield with a central eye, surrounded by a circle of diamonds ...
...
The traditional colors of the Knights of the Shield are silver and gold, now seen to represent wealth. Diamonds and other gems or crystals are commonly worn on clothing and in jewellery as well, although the roots of this tradition - dating back to the crystal "eye" in the Shield of Silvam - are lost in the mists of history. Upon induction into the order, every Knight receives a round silver shield studded with jewels ...
...
The Knights of the Shield were founded as a semi religious order in the Year of Many Eyes (-170 DR), during the Eye Tyrant Wars that pitted Tethyr, Calimshan, and Iltkazar against the beholders of the Lake of Steam. Their symbol was the Shield of Silvam, crafted by Court Vizera Zahyra Bardson-Ithal and her mentor along with the Eye of Zahyra.
...
The collapse of the Shoon Empire in the Year of the Corrie Fist (450 DR) forced the Knights of the Shield to abandon many of their southern holdings ... during which time the Shield of Silvam, the symbol of the order, was lost.
The revival of the Knights of the Shield can be traced to the actions of Lord Tithklar Illehhune, second son of the reigning Duke of Dusk, in the Year of the Shining Shield (889 DR) ... In response to a series of mysterious dreams, the nobleborn warrior sought out a hitherto unknown barrow in the Fields of the Dead and discovered a bejeweled shield of incalculable worth with the ancient tomb. Inlaid with hundreds of tiny diamonds, emeralds, rubies, and sapphires in the shape of a snarling face, the shield spoke to the young lord in a bestial voice that haunted his dreams ... the young Lord Illehhune set about rebuilding the ancient order to its former position of power and wealth ... Noting that the decline of the Knights had coincided with the loss of the Shield of Silvam, the young lord recruited a group of fellow Knights of ambition and talent and convinced them that his discovery, which he took to calling the Shield of the Hidden Lord, was a gift from the gods to serve as the symbol of a reborn knighthood and the true shield that the order was meant to follow ... formed a secretive group within the Knights known as the Shield Council ... taking its cue from the infrequent utterances of the Shield of the Hidden Lord, set about revitalizing the order and restoring its former prominence.
...
The Hidden Lord of the Shield (a manifestation of Gargauth): The Shield Council has varied its members and organization over time, but it has always had one constant through its entire history: The Hidden Lord of the Shield.
The Shield of the Hidden Lord rarely speaks, as only Lord Hhune and Ghantuz the Cloaked have ever heard its malevolent voice ... Nevertheless, the artifact recovered centuries ago by Lord Tithklar Illehhune remains an ominous and discomforting presence in all meetings of the Shield Council.
(The Shield of the Hidden Lord, recovered from the Fields of the Dead in the Year of the Shining Shield, is a cursed artifact sacred to Gargauth the Outcast. Its appearance, powers, curses, and suggested means of destruction are all described.)
(In the description of Lord Alaric Hembreon a passage says: In the past, Hembreon viewed his position in the Knights as noblesse oblige, but the recent recovery of the Shield of Silvam has rekindled Hembreon's involvement in the order and interest in its history ...)"


Some other findings from the google search genie:

http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19353&whichpage=2
https://www.reddit.com/r/Forgotten_Realms/comments/7btxrb/shield_of_silvam/
http://dnd.eizzn.com/page/152/

And "Silvam" may be derived from silva or syl(va).

That's all I got.



Yah i found all that except the last link you had to dnd.eizzn.com

And among ALLLLL the references of the Shield of the Hidden Lord and the Knights of the Shield I was only ever able to find ONE image of the Hidden Lord when the Knights were referenced. All of the other entries for the Knights of the Shield show images of the Shield of Silvam

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Ayrik
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Posted - 18 Feb 2018 :  08:56:29  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Shield of Silvam and Shield of the Hidden Lord are different items. Cloak & Dagger has images and descriptions of both, along with the full history I've only quoted the above passages from.

Admittedly these aren't pretty heraldic side-by-side images of the shields, but their visual appearances are still shown nonetheless. I doubt you'll obtain better illustrations in any published Realmslore.

[/Ayrik]

Edited by - Ayrik on 18 Feb 2018 08:57:35
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