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sleyvas
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I know some will hate the topic I'm bringing up, but I'm bringing it up for discussion anyway, to see if it spurs any ideas. Zero, in particular, take a look at some of the ideas I have for Halruaa. I'm not finished, but I have some other things I need to do, so I'm going to put out this much and see where it goes.

One of the things I have obviously been discussing was having the gods appearing in Abeir. I was doing the "they start out as weakened avatars, advance to manifestations, and then become full blown gods". However, I was always intrigued with the having them as physical representations that people see (and thus like people SEE the sun god in the sky), so as to compare them to the primordials of Abeir. The more I think on it, the more I think I want to KEEP most of them at the power level tweaked JUST above weakened avatars... as in still having to share the body of a mortal, but somehow having the ability to offer spells worldwide instead of just within a few miles of their person (basically, like a patron for pact magic). While on Abeir they will also require sacrifice. and without it they can't restore their magic (thus the lack of clerics, but the allowance for the DMs Guild offering of "Priestess: Ancient World Divine Class".

http://www.dmsguild.com/product/192760/Priestess-Ancient-World-Divine-Class?filters=45469_0_0_0_0_0_0_0

So, that being said.... if all these weakened avatars are in the world.... and I also want these red wizard tharchs... and red wizards don't like gods ruling them... how to fit all this together?

So, as an exercise I'm going to list out the gods I'm thinking about and then list WHERE I see them staying for the most part and possibly WHO they stay in.

So, where does this play into things? When things return to Toril, maybe a LOT of these gods are like the Mulhorandi ones. Some, the second they returned to Toril and its weave may have been able to reascend, but maybe not. Also, some gods literally may be the same name in multiple pantheons, and thus their worshippers are getting spells but not seeing a weakened avatar and assuming the god is "like it was on Toril" where its all metaphysical. For instance, I'll be introducing Inanna back, but I'll also have a metaphysical deity known as Sifya amongst the Metahel... who maybe manifests amongst them in weakened avatar form once... and also some folk on Abeir will also worship the Red Knight, and Sifya/Inanna may be fulfilling that role as well.

Anyway, not really sure where I'll actually head with this as I write it, but it could be fun... so starting

Faerunian Gods
Akadi - did not appear in weakened avatar form, and did not have priests or clerics. She DID have druids and rangers.

Auppenser - Only had priests, but he was also known for "awakening" mystics to psionics (see 5e rules for mystics) and monks to their inner ki (usually appearing to them via dreams). He did make occasional appearances in weakened avatar form possessing a mortal. His mortal form was in a yuan-ti pureblood which had escaped amongst humans fleeing Lundeth in Thindol when forces of Abeir overtook the city, and his weakened avatar was critically in providing the energy necessary to open the portal which allowed them to escape to the trade enclave of Balduran Bay. He setup a temple monastery in the mountains to the west of Balduran Bay where mystics, priests, and monks were trained. In any temple or shrine dedicated to Auppenser, it should be noted that there is also a nook dedicated to Mystra and also often the other gods of magic.

Bane - not noted as seen in weakened avatar form, and some wonder as to the nature of Gilgeam. He did have priests (not clerics) and paladins (vengeance and conquest).

Bhaal - seen in weakened avatar form in the body of a Bhaalspawn. This Bhaalspawn is another child of Abazigal, and brother of Draconis from the same brood. This is a brown dragon just like Draconis, and he came to Mourktar on Abeir, whereupon he helped Gilgeam cast out the Shyrran oppressors. He did have priests (not clerics), but he was also noted as having many rogues serving in his name and bringing back sacrifices for his altar. Under Bhaal's and Gilgeam's rulership, Mourktar became a very dark city, but they did strengthen and embolden the Untheric people who were being oppressed.

Deneir - he took on a weakened avatar form amongst the Halruaans on Abeir, but never any one individual for more than a few years. He was also noted to appear as a scribe amongst other cultures to document the happenings across these lands of Transferred Toril. Its said he's also one of the few gods to take on mortal forms amongst the people of Abeir as well. He did have priests (not clerics), but he was also noted as having many wizards who also worshipped him and sacrificed to him in one form or another. It is rumored that he was instrumental in some way in at least one step in bringing Mystra back to life. In any temple or shrine dedicated to Deneir, it should be noted that there is also a nook dedicated to Mystra and also often the other gods of magic.

Eldath - not noted as seen in weakened avatar form, and some wonder as to the nature of Eldunna of the Metahel pantheon. She did have priests (not clerics) and druids, as well as paladins (redemption).

Finder Wyvernspur - seen in weakened avatar form once possessing the body of a Saurial in Katashaka, but it was unknown where he was staying. There are those who say that his avatar died performing some service necessary to the rebirth of the goddess Mystra. He did have priests (not clerics), but many bards also sacrificed to him in minor ways for inspiration. In any temple or shrine dedicated to Finder, it should be noted that there is also a nook dedicated to Mystra and also often the other gods of magic.

Gargauth - seen in weakened avatar form as a Tiefling in the city of Peleverai. Captured by the red wizards, who were reputedly using him for some fell purpose. He was not known to have any priests while on Abeir. During the Sundering, it is rumored that his weakened avatar was somehow able to escape, though where it went is unknown at this time.

Grumbar - did not appear in weakened avatar form, and did not have priests or clerics. He DID have druids and rangers.

Helm - appeared in weakened avatar form to the Amnian people of Helmsport, sharing the body of their current High Priest of Helm, where it is said that he took up residence. There are those who believe him to be related to the Metahel deity Hemdahl. He did have priests (not clerics) as well as paladins.

Istishia - did not appear in weakened avatar form, and did not have priests or clerics. She DID have druids and rangers.

Karsus - he took on a weakened avatar form amongst the Halruaans on Abeir by possessing a Karsite (see the 3.5 Tome of Magic) who was also trained as a Jordaini monk. Oddly enough, this avatar was specifically noted as being unable to cast magic, but he was particularly magic resistant, and he could instill magic within others. Many folk of Halruaa were awakened as full fledged sorcerers at his touch. It is said that when Mystra began to be heard again late in the years following the spellplague, that the avatar of Karsus had somehow passed on and he was not seen again in Halruaa. Many believe his life's blood was used in a ritual to restore the goddess of magic. He did have priests (not clerics), but he was also noted as having warlocks, sorcerers, and wizards who also made pacts with, worshipped, and/or sacrificed to him in one form or another. In any temple or shrine dedicated to Karsus, it should be noted that there is also a nook dedicated to Mystra and also often the other gods of magic.


Kossuth - did not appear in weakened avatar form, and did not have priests or clerics. He DID have druids.

Lathander - Appeared in the sky interacting with the Sun for anyone that believed in him after a strange cooperative ritual of dream magic. All spellcasters who participated in this strange dream became exceptionally fertile or virile over the next twenty years of their life, resulting in many children with latent magical ability. He never appeared in weakened avatar form. He did have priests (not clerics until near the time of the sundering), druids, paladins, and rangers all of whom sacrificed to his name. Amongst Faerunians transferred to Abeir, there was no other god who was as widely accepted, and all sacrificed at least minor tributes of food, gold, etc... to his clergy.

Leira - Oddly, for a deity who had supposedly been long dead, Leira was in fact one of the most active weakened avatars amongst all the transferred people on Abeir. She actually appeared in the bodies of several mortal spellcasters. She took on a weakened avatar form amongst the red wizards on Abeir by possessing Zulkir Mythrell'aa and helping free Velsharoon from his phylactery in the Tower Terrible in Soorenar, and it is rumored that when Mythrell'aa presented - herself as a goddess to the people of the Oslander Islands that we was once again possessed by Leira. She took on a weakened avatar form as a mage-priestess of the Church of Leira in Samarach when the people of Samargol needed to evacuate as a result of Abeiran invaders. This mage-priestess reputedly sacrificed her own life protecting her people and confusing their enemies, all while channeling the goddess to empower the portal in the red wizard enclave that sent them to Balduran Bay. At one point, she also possessed the body of Phlandra Alabaster, leader of the inhabitants of the spelljamming colony on the moon's surface, and helped to repel a mind flayer assault. There were also rumors of her activity in Halruaa. However, it was believed that she primarily resided on the island of Nimbral, which oddly enough none could find on Abeir. There were also reputedly rumors that she had some involvement with the strange dream magic ritual involving the appearance of the moon and the appearance of the sun gods in the sky over Abeir. Her ties to Mask were often scandalous rumors which set womenfolk to tittering. She did have priests (not clerics), but she was also noted as having bards, warlocks, sorcerers, and wizards who also made pacts with, worshipped, and/or sacrificed to her in one form or another. In any temple or shrine dedicated to Leira, it should be noted that there is also a nook dedicated to Mystra and also often the other gods of magic.


Nobanion - An androsphinx ruler of the cat folk of the Wakanari Highlands of Katashaka claims to be the weakened avatar of Nobanion. He did have priests (not clerics), druids, rangers and paladins in his service while on Abeir.

Mask - Mask has take on many mortal hosts throughout the past century. In fact, most of these hosts have been allies working in concert with mortal avatars of Leira, often serving to protect her avatar as she performed some feat of magic or other. Some have wondered at this strange relationship, while others call it simply love, for cannot gods love one another just as humans do. Where he was staying when not appearing in mortal avatar form was a mystery, even to his own clergy, though it has never been doubted that he was watching events unfold with interest. Nor did his clergy lack for dreams, whispered words of guidance from the air, or other such manifestations of his will. He did have priests (not clerics) while on Abeir, though few, but they were few and his primary worshippers were rogues and bards who gave up offerings that he might bless their intrigues. Most shrines to Mask also held a nook dedicated to Leira and vice versa.

Mystra - (initially, her presence was faint in Abeir, but over the century she regained her strength, much sooner than she appeared back in Toril),

Savras - Oddly, for a little known deity of divination magic, Savras was in fact one of the most active weakened avatars amongst all the transferred people on Abeir. Its said that the reason that there was not as much destruction as a result of the transfer to Abeir was the sudden relaying of a ritual by this deity into the minds of mortal spellcasters throughout Faerun, particularly those of Halruaa. He actually appeared in the bodies of several mortal spellcasters. He took on a weakened avatar form amongst the red wizards on Abeir by possessing Zulkir Yaphyll Sirtula while in Soorenar in the early days following the spellplague to free Velsharoon from his phylactery in the Tower Terrible. He also shared the body of the mage-priest known as the Farseer in the city of Tashluta, using his energies to power the red wizard enclave's portal to allow the folk of Tashluta to flee to Balduran Bay when Abeiran forces invaded their territory. However, he was most known for the time he spent sharing the body of Zalathorm Kirkson, Netyarch of Halruaa. He did have priests (not clerics), but he was also noted as having sorcerers and wizards who also made pacts with, worshipped, and/or sacrificed to her in one form or another. In any temple or shrine dedicated to Savras, it should be noted that there is also a nook dedicated to Mystra and also often the other gods of magic.


Selune - The eyes of Selune appeared in the sky superimposed over the moon for anyone that believed in her after a strange cooperative ritual of dream magic. All spellcasters who participated in this strange dream became exceptionally fertile or virile over the next twenty years of their life, resulting in many children with latent magical ability. She never appeared in weakened avatar form, though it was rumored that she sent power to Leira to perform her own duties. She did have priests (not clerics until near the time of the sundering), druids, paladins, and rangers all of whom sacrificed to her name.

Sharess - see Bast under Mulhorandi gods

Talos - not noted as seen in weakened avatar form. He did have druids. However, he also had priests (not clerics).

The Red Knight

Tyr - The citizens of Trythosford in Maztica had long held that justice and integrity were the key to opening pathways to peace with the natives of Maztica. Thus it was that the local high priest of Tyr became the first mortal avatar to share the presence of the god of justice on Abeir. It was his presence alone which kept the people of Trythosford alive in the decades following, transferring from one willing mortal host to another, though he periodically disappeared to help other Faerunian deities on "errands" that he felt obligated to perform. It is said that his sacrifice of his own tongue was necessary at one point during a battle against a primordial lord so that Leira could use it to remake a truth. What truth this was is unknown to mortal men. He did have priests (not clerics) and paladins in his service while on Abeir.

Velsharoon - Oddly, for a little known deity of necromantic magic, Velsharoon was in fact one of the most active weakened avatars amongst all the transferred people on Abeir. Its said that it was his involvement that brought many gods back to life, and that he worked with several gods, even within other pantheons in order to restore these beings of power in order to protect the transferred people of Faerun. He actually appeared in the bodies of several mortal and immortal necromancers, many of whom died or were destroyed in his service. However, the most well known is his first avatar, that of Mimuay, daughter of Zulkir Lauzoril. It was rumored that he spent the majority of his time in his sanctum in the Tower Terrible of Soorenar, but he was also noted as visiting the island known as the ship of the gods repeatedly (despite the everpresent storm which surrounded the island). He is most noted for having helped raise the goddess of death, Ereshkigal, on the island of Sahu, for its said that the sight of her actually melted the heart of this cold hearted necromancer. Rumors of the romance between these two deities are commonplace in the Tharch of Peleveran, and some say that the betrayal of this love was a part of the rebirth of Mystra. He did have priests (not clerics), but he was also noted as having sorcerers and wizards who also made pacts with, worshipped, and/or sacrificed to her in one form or another. In any temple or shrine dedicated to Velsharoon, it should be noted that there is also a nook dedicated to Mystra and also often the other gods of magic.


Metahel Pantheon

Anachtar - appeared in weakened avatar form once to the Metahel people recently moved to the Western Pridelands of Katashaka, sharing the body of their war leader whenever they were attacked by gnolls riding dire wolves. Afterward, he told these Metahel to seek westward for the new land that they would call home. Within a year, these Metahel had found the Anabrax Islands, and soon their people were moving away to form their own society. There are those who believe him to be related to the deity Tyr. He did have priests (not clerics) as well as paladins while on Abeir.

Eldunna - seen in weakened avatar form wherein she led her people to the Anabrax Islands to the west of Maztica. She has a temple built in the wilderness in some mountain near waterfalls. She did have priests (not clerics) and druids, as well as paladins (redemption).

Frethander - Appeared in the sky interacting with the Sun for anyone that believed in him after a strange cooperative ritual of dream magic. All spellcasters who participated in this strange dream became exceptionally fertile or virile over the next twenty years of their life, resulting in many children with latent magical ability. He never appeared in weakened avatar form. He did have priests (not clerics until near the time of the sundering), druids, paladins, and rangers all of whom sacrificed to his name.

Hemdahl - appeared in weakened avatar form once to the Metahel people of the Pasocada Basin, sharing the body of their war leader whenever they were attacked by insect men from the north. There are those who believe him to be related to the deity Helm. He did have priests (not clerics) as well as paladins.

Magnaear

Moedae

Sifya

Thoros

Valigor the Runtborn Giant

Yaernsacsa

Yuellar

Catfolk Pantheon

Bast - see Mulhorandi Pantheon

Chak Chel

Ferrix

Ix Chel

Kiga - many believe that the giant nyama-nummo known as Kee'gah the Predator in Manu-Ni-Maloa is the weakened avatar of this huntress goddess.

Mihos - The weakened avatar of Mihos is said to possess the body of the current ruler of Grrawlins, known as the "City of the Cowardly Lenastans" to the red wizards of the tharch of New Eltabbar. This leonine god of divine retribution and vengeance is said to be girding his people for war and buying up female slaves for his warriors to breed a new generation of Lenastans so that they can oust those who betrayed them to the red wizards and sank them to their current lowly state. He is known to have priests (but not clerics), as well as paladins of vengeance and conquest.

Pakhet -

Phoenix - The only known instance of seeing the weakened avatar of this deity was when a flaming roc appeared in the sky above the Wakanari Highlands to take on a dragonlord of Abeir and his dragon aides shortly following the spellplague. Though it died, it dragged the dragonlord to the ground, its beak tearing out the dragon's throat. It is whispered that the corpse of the mortal form of the Phoenix then turned into an egg which disappeared mysteriously.

Ravanna - It is said that one of the Rakshasa leaders of Latoombe, City of Tricksters, has become the mortal avatar of this deity. Just what sorts of followers he has are little documented, though several rakshasa, pumaji, kamadji, paka, and lycanthropic catfolk of Latoombe have purportedly displayed the power of warlocks over the past century.

Water Lion - This playful god of the sea has been believed to have been seen many times along the coastline of Katashaka, possessing the body of a seacat who comes to the aid of catfolk crews in danger.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas

Edited by - sleyvas on 19 Jan 2018 18:29:59

Zeromaru X
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One thing that you need to have into account is that, while gods do seem to be able to influence Abeir (or at least, that is what Ed said to me), the concept of religion seems to be alien for the Abeirans (Ed also said this to me; he said that, at least in his version of Laerakond, general superstition is more common). In Laerakond, for instance, there are few religions, even after that continent living for a century (or more, I hope) in Toril. And of the big names, only Tempus had a hold there. And only in one area of Laerakond (the Windrise Ports, that is one of the areas that traded the most with Faerūn).

The fact that the Dusk Ports had no religion whatsoever, even if that is also a trading port that had commerce with Faerūn, makes the idea of "this god had X clerics/priest/divine class in Abeir", something that makes no sense, at least canon-wise. If, in the world of the gods, the gods had little influence on the Abeirans (see Tymanther also), why they would have any influence in the world of the primordials? Even if a god gets a few converts, the numbers will be so insignificant (less than 100 people) to call that a religion. Or to make it worthwile for a god (unless that god is dying and needs whatever faith s/he could get).

Unless a dragon god (Io, Bahamut and Tiamat seems to have followers as per the SCAG—though even Chris Perkins admits that the SCAG contradicts with prior and newer lore), or if that god began an aggressive campaign for conversion. Something that the surviving primordials of Abeir will notice, and will not abide. Dunno if a god wants to fight a horde of angry primordials for a few converts, seeing that Ao had the whole Faerunian pantheon scared to death with just a single primordial sealed in a can (Entropy).

Dragon gods seems to have more chance, IHMO. It would be no surprise at all if the dragon gods are revered there, in a religion like the Eberronian Thir. And this can explain why non-dragons have no idea of the gods; dragons will not allow those pesky maunthreki to bother their gods. Heck, this can even explain why the dragon gods survived until the current date of the Realms after thousands of years with just the occasional follower in Toril.

Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world...

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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

One thing that you need to have into account is that, while gods do seem to be able to influence Abeir (or at least, that is what Ed said to me), the concept of religion seems to be alien for the Abeirans (Ed also said this to me; he said that, at least in his version of Laerakond, general superstition is more common). In Laerakond, for instance, there are few religions, even after that continent living for a century (or more, I hope) in Toril. And of the big names, only Tempus had a hold there. And only in one area of Laerakond (the Windrise Ports, that is one of the areas that traded the most with Faerūn).

The fact that the Dusk Ports had no religion whatsoever, even if that is also a trading port that had commerce with Faerūn, makes the idea of "this god had X clerics/priest/divine class in Abeir", something that makes no sense, at least canon-wise. If, in the world of the gods, the gods had little influence on the Abeirans (see Tymanther also), why they would have any influence in the world of the primordials? Even if a god gets a few converts, the numbers will be so insignificant (less than 100 people) to call that a religion. Or to make it worthwile for a god (unless that god is dying and needs whatever faith s/he could get).

Unless a dragon god (Io, Bahamut and Tiamat seems to have followers as per the SCAG—though even Chris Perkins admits that the SCAG contradicts with prior and newer lore), or if that god began an aggressive campaign for conversion. Something that the surviving primordials of Abeir will notice, and will not abide. Dunno if a god wants to fight a horde of angry primordials for a few converts, seeing that Ao had the whole Faerunian pantheon scared to death with just a single primordial sealed in a can (Entropy).

Dragon gods seems to have more chance, IHMO. It would be no surprise at all if the dragon gods are revered there, in a religion like the Eberronian Thir. And this can explain why non-dragons have no idea of the gods; dragons will not allow those pesky maunthreki to bother their gods. Heck, this can even explain why the dragon gods survived until the current date of the Realms after thousands of years with just the occasional follower in Toril.




That part about the dragon gods is a very good point, and something I will take into account. I'm not sure how many dragon gods actually disappeared from Toril's pantheon though. I'm only listing 5 as possibles at present, and one of those is only "semi-divine" (that being Maldraedior, the Millenium Dragon from Unther). Two of the others I definitely want to send over, but not sure how to use them (Kereska the Wonderbringer and Sardior the god of gem/psionic dragons). The other two are Lendys (god of draconic justice) and Tamara (dragon goddess of light, life, mercy, and forgiveness)... and I may leave those two out of the mix and just have the 2 actual dragon deities only. I am not sure what to do with either yet, but part of what you'll see I'm doing is that all these servants of magic/psionics are involved with restoring Mystra on Abeir for the last century (which maybe dweomerheart is in shreds and as they help restore her, the domain of the goddess of magic is restoring). I am trying to be vague though about WHAT is being done for now (for instance, I note that Velsharoon helps restore Ereshkigal, falls in love with her, but has to betray their romance to help Mystra.... how did he betray her? Not sure yet, but probably has something to do with pulling her spirit from the realm of the dead.).

That being said this is all for gods in "transferred" portions of Toril (as in these deities will be appearing in like Katashaka, Maztica, etc... while in Abeir). Some of them will protect some of those cultures from incursion by Abeiran forces initially (i.e. dragonlord shows up, so does avatar of god X taking on the body of some mortal who voluntarily hosts them). However, I did have one deity who I felt could make inroads in other cultures of Abeir, and I had him actually taking on mortal avatars amongst them (at least one from all the Faerunian gods... as I list more pantheons it might make sense for others... doubt it, but maybe). That god that I thought might be able to be accepted by Abeirans? Deneir.

I figured it kind of like how Enlil was talking with Dumuzi in Erin's novels, but with a different twist. Enlil was acting like a father figure to Dumuzi. I could see Deneir acting like a friendly teacher figure to Abeirans who are curious, and he might only "ride" an individual for a few weeks, maybe months, maybe a year or three if they really work well together. He could teach them basic writing, how to speak and read other languages... and I can picture there being power to runes in Abeir even without the Torilian weave.... maybe a basic/simple power, but probably stable. So, I can see sharing of knowledge being a way that "breaks boundaries" between these cultures.

This list is going to get very long, and as I'm doing it, I'm realizing my Katashaka list of deities probably needs to lessen

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

That part about the dragon gods is a very good point, and something I will take into account. I'm not sure how many dragon gods actually disappeared from Toril's pantheon though. I'm only listing 5 as possibles at present, and one of those is only "semi-divine" (that being Maldraedior, the Millenium Dragon from Unther). Two of the others I definitely want to send over, but not sure how to use them (Kereska the Wonderbringer and Sardior the god of gem/psionic dragons). The other two are Lendys (god of draconic justice) and Tamara (dragon goddess of light, life, mercy, and forgiveness)... and I may leave those two out of the mix and just have the 2 actual dragon deities only.


According to 2e Draconomicon (one of the few 2e books I actually own, lol), all the named dragon gods are the survivors, sans two of them, that happen to have died just recently (post-ToT). There are a lot of unnamed gods that just died. I have updated the entry on the wiki with all the sources I have, so you can get more info there. I presume, those obscure dragon gods from Council of Wyrms, like Arcanix or Elemtia, are among the casualties as well.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

Enlil was acting like a father figure to Dumuzi. I could see Deneir acting like a friendly teacher figure to Abeirans who are curious, and he might only "ride" an individual for a few weeks, maybe months, maybe a year or three if they really work well together.


Well, Enlil had to earn this, in the first place. Dumuzi didn't accepted him at first. Only after Enlil saved them from the Sundering, Dumuzi began to open to him. And for the rest of the Tymantherans, it took even more time to realize that they needed him. And yet, their religion is more like a contract. Enlil do something good for them, and they say thanks as a payment. Enlil needs to earn his wage.

I can see your Deneir cult much like the Platinum Cadre is to Tymantherans: a religion for the ostracized. And indeed, Bahamut played a similar card your Deneir version had to, appeal to something of interest in the people to gain his followers. In Bahamut's case was to say that he is the true father of the dragonborn race (and, as per Ed comments, that maybe is in fact the truth). Tiamat somehow did something similar, yet in an even lower level (as her cult in Tymanther is even smaller than Bahamut's, and illicit to booth. At least the Platinum Cadre is officially sanctioned and allowed by the government).

A god that can also play that card in Abeir and can hope to be accepted is Gond, as Abeir has a lot of inventors and technology. I guess a few inventors would like to pay in thanks to Gond for new knowledge.

Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world...

Edited by - Zeromaru X on 20 Jan 2018 02:34:28
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