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mikie
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 Posted - 12 Jan 2018 : 02:46:28
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Well met all! It's been a VERY long time since I've adventured here. Getting into a new campaign and trying out 5th edition too. My question is: Where can I find information on Skullport? I remember reading it somewhere. Dragon Magazine? Volo's? Anyway, also looking for a thieves guilds OR assassins guilds in Skullport. Any information or suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 12 Jan 2018 : 02:55:39
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For 5e there isn't all that much, Back in 2e, there was the sourcebook, Skullport. The only major thing I recall is something bad happening to The promenade (I think it blew-up).
A lots changed, but then again, a lot hasn't (to the point of stupidity LOL).
Most of the main players in Skullport are probably still around, since many of them were non-human, thus, the 2e sources may work fine for you. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Jan 2018 : 03:55:31
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There were a couple Dragon Magazine articles, but the bulk of the information is in the Skullport sourcebook.
There was also an update on Skullport in the DDI. (Is the DDI even around any more?) Dungeon "magazine" 200, March 2012 (I use the quotation marks, because those so-called electronic magazines never even approached the amount of content or value of the printed magazines) |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jan 2018 : 04:12:11
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| Skullport also has a big section in the 2nd Ed. city of Splendors box set. And of course all the huge changes in undermountain from the various 3rd/4th E books would have major Skullport effects. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jan 2018 : 11:39:40
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There were a couple Dragon Magazine articles, but the bulk of the information is in the Skullport sourcebook.
There was also an update on Skullport in the DDI. (Is the DDI even around any more?) Dungeon "magazine" 200, March 2012 (I use the quotation marks, because those so-called electronic magazines never even approached the amount of content or value of the printed magazines)
Yep, Seeing the Sights of Skullport - great article by Ed and the unsung Steven Schend in Dragon #172.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Jan 2018 : 22:27:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There was also an update on Skullport in the DDI. (Is the DDI even around any more?) Dungeon "magazine" 200, March 2012 (I use the quotation marks, because those so-called electronic magazines never even approached the amount of content or value of the printed magazines)
-Oh man, I remember that (the thing, not the article). Did they ever actually make the character generator/online tabletop/etc. that was supposed to be rolled out at or near the 4e debut? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 12 Jan 2018 : 23:03:07
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No, the guy who was presumably working on it never actually worked on it (he just collected a paycheck for doing nothing for well over a year). He finally got caught when they asked for something to show, and he stole someone else's work from another website.
And he killed himself... but there was a bit more to it than that. Sad story, really.
In Paul Kemp's novels, I think a couple of the Skulls got destroyed, which is pretty major. And of course, Halaster's death should have had a HUGE impact on the place: Drow never moved against it in force, because Halaster was the drow 'boogyman' - he literally made the entire race crap their pants (after all, he walked right into an illithid enclave, killed them all EASILY, and settled there). |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2018 : 00:30:13
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Originally posted by Markustay
No, the guy who was presumably working on it never actually worked on it (he just collected a paycheck for doing nothing for well over a year). He finally got caught when they asked for something to show, and he stole someone else's work from another website.
And he killed himself... but there was a bit more to it than that. Sad story, really.
In Paul Kemp's novels, I think a couple of the Skulls got destroyed, which is pretty major. And of course, Halaster's death should have had a HUGE impact on the place: Drow never moved against it in force, because Halaster was the drow 'boogyman' - he literally made the entire race crap their pants (after all, he walked right into an illithid enclave, killed them all EASILY, and settled there).
Wait, they never got that virtual tabletop working? I only subscribed near the end of 4e for a month or two so that I could download all the mags, so I never tried to use it or their character generator.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 13 Jan 2018 : 01:13:31
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| I think they may have eventually got some sort of character generator going, but it wasn't the one promised, and it was too little, too late. By the time anything like that was released they were well into developing 5e. |
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Lord Karsus
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2018 : 02:34:35
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Which novel was that Markustay?
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Jan 2018 : 05:08:12
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Markustay
No, the guy who was presumably working on it never actually worked on it (he just collected a paycheck for doing nothing for well over a year). He finally got caught when they asked for something to show, and he stole someone else's work from another website.
And he killed himself... but there was a bit more to it than that. Sad story, really.
In Paul Kemp's novels, I think a couple of the Skulls got destroyed, which is pretty major. And of course, Halaster's death should have had a HUGE impact on the place: Drow never moved against it in force, because Halaster was the drow 'boogyman' - he literally made the entire race crap their pants (after all, he walked right into an illithid enclave, killed them all EASILY, and settled there).
Wait, they never got that virtual tabletop working? I only subscribed near the end of 4e for a month or two so that I could download all the mags, so I never tried to use it or their character generator.
They never got it working, that I'm aware of... And I think that was perhaps their biggest failing. I am of the opinion that a good virtual tabletop, backed by the makers of D&D and with integrated support for the latest ruleset (as well as rules-neutral options), would have done far more to invigorate the RPG market than a new ruleset.
It doesn't matter how cool a ruleset you have to offer, people aren't going to play it if they can't gather with someone to play with. A good VTT would solve that issue quite nicely.
And yes, I know there are some popular VTTs out there... But they weren't backed/supported/plugged by WotC. I honestly didn't even know any existed until WotC failed to come thru with one. That's why I say that WotC has to be pushing it: it would get orders of magnitude more attention among D&D players if the makers of D&D were pointing people at it.
Until 4E came out, WotC was the dominant name in gaming, and though Paizo briefly knocked them out of that spot, they've since reclaimed it. If the biggest name in RPGs was endorsing even a halfway decent VTT, it'd get a lot more people back to the table, because they'd be able to find other players that matched their availability, instead of having to try to juggle schedules with the only local gamers they know *and* find a place to game on top of that. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 13 Jan 2018 : 14:09:13
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In Paul Kemp's novels, I think a couple of the Skulls got destroyed, which is pretty major.
Don't these guys reform after a while? |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2018 : 16:41:33
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Balmar Foghaven
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jan 2018 : 06:23:32
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| While not directly mentioning Skullport per se, Ed's latest novel "Death Masks" briefly included the Xanathar and his lackeys. IIRC, Suthool was getting mixed up with masked lord plots and whatnot, I shall not reveal any major spoilers for those who haven't read it. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 14 Jan 2018 : 22:53:27
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-Whoa? What was the name of the guy? Wanna read more about that.
I don't remember, and although I recall enough of the details to find it, I'd rather not. Some of those details really hit home for me, personally, and I can actually identify with the poor bastard. 
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 16 Jan 2018 : 19:08:28
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Okay, why can't Skullport/Waterdeep have been cool like THIS?
Thats some serious mapping-skills right there - I am so stealing this for something. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 02:29:29
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-Whoa? What was the name of the guy? Wanna read more about that.
I don't remember, and although I recall enough of the details to find it, I'd rather not. Some of those details really hit home for me, personally, and I can actually identify with the poor bastard.
In the end end, two lives were tragically lost, and WotC got screwed-over BIG TIME - it took them an entire edition to recover from it. Amazing how much one failed marriage can take-out in collateral damage.
He was called "the Sojourner" and his real name was Vostym.
He is only ever mentioned in those books. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 03:20:59
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Now I am thoroughly confused. I thought he was referring to my RW reference of an old WotC employee - the one who was supposed to be working on the virtual tabletop.
However, after rereading all of the above, you may be right, and he may have been asking about who the Erevis Cale book was about (other than Erevis Cale, LOL). However, I don't think it was the Sojournor who destroyed the skulls. I don't think it was his minions either, but I could be wrong. The were Slaad, but even for Slaadi, destroying the skulls shouldn't have been such an easy task. Was it Cale and his group that did it? I may have to reread those now -I really liked the concept of the 'Weave Tap', and have used it elsewhere in my own musings. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 09:41:58
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It was all a big mess if memory serves. About a decade since I read that though so my memory might be incorrect.
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 09:43:09
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
It was all a big mess if memory serves. About a decade since I read that though so my memory might be incorrect.
I remember that the slaad had some kind of magical item that the sojourner made specifically for their assignment in Skullport. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 11:03:05
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I may have to reread those now -I really liked the concept of the 'Weave Tap', and have used it elsewhere in my own musings.
Yeah, I think the Erevis Cale series is among the best in the Realms (which of course is why they kept bringing him back). I was a bit disappointed with the ending - very anti-climactic if you ask me. How its possible for a mini-RSE to be anti-climactic IDK but that's what I thought.
They also led directly into an obsession with shadows. Everyone was Shar and Shadows for a few years which I think is one of the weakest parts of the Realms. Shar was cool when she was this dark mysterious something in diametric opposition to Selune... Then all of a sudden she's the most powerful god in the Pantheon and she's repeatedly threatening to eradicate not just Toril but all existence. Was not a fan of that shift. |
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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 14:15:14
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Originally posted by Markustay
I may have to reread those now -I really liked the concept of the 'Weave Tap', and have used it elsewhere in my own musings.
Yeah, I think the Erevis Cale series is among the best in the Realms (which of course is why they kept bringing him back). I was a bit disappointed with the ending - very anti-climactic if you ask me. How its possible for a mini-RSE to be anti-climactic IDK but that's what I thought.
They also led directly into an obsession with shadows. Everyone was Shar and Shadows for a few years which I think is one of the weakest parts of the Realms. Shar was cool when she was this dark mysterious something in diametric opposition to Selune... Then all of a sudden she's the most powerful god in the Pantheon and she's repeatedly threatening to eradicate not just Toril but all existence. Was not a fan of that shift.
Reminds me of Supernatural. Loved it when it was just the "monster of the week", but when they introduced God and the devil that blew it for me. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 15:19:12
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Yeah, I think the Erevis Cale series is among the best in the Realms (which of course is why they kept bringing him back). I was a bit disappointed with the ending - very anti-climactic if you ask me. How its possible for a mini-RSE to be anti-climactic IDK but that's what I thought.
I wasn't as impressed with the series, myself -- and that ending made me want to hurl the book across the room.
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They also led directly into an obsession with shadows. Everyone was Shar and Shadows for a few years which I think is one of the weakest parts of the Realms. Shar was cool when she was this dark mysterious something in diametric opposition to Selune... Then all of a sudden she's the most powerful god in the Pantheon and she's repeatedly threatening to eradicate not just Toril but all existence. Was not a fan of that shift.
Actually, the shadow thing predates Erevis Cale. They started that with the advent of 3E and the return of Shade. Suddenly, just about every other established force for evil in the Realms was suddenly kicked to the side, and it became ALL SHAR, ALL THE TIME. Which was even more inexplicable, to me, because Mask had Shadows as one of his portfolios. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 19:30:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I wasn't as impressed with the series, myself -- and that ending made me want to hurl the book across the room.
I know right?
I thought the Sojourner was among the best new villians and wham bam - he just likes shade. Seriously how lame.
I did love Cale though. The scenes where he's struggling between choosing a normal life and seizing power were great. Then he'd go all out bad-ass and then boomerang back to doubt.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Actually, the shadow thing predates Erevis Cale. They started that with the advent of 3E and the return of Shade. Suddenly, just about every other established force for evil in the Realms was suddenly kicked to the side, and it became ALL SHAR, ALL THE TIME. Which was even more inexplicable, to me, because Mask had Shadows as one of his portfolios.
True, Shade was the other half of the shadow coin and it did come first. The whole shadow thing bothers me a lot. I used to love the shadows sub-plots. The old Shadowlord books from the Harppers series were great yet after they came out the whole Realms did not go shadow crazy. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 20:44:40
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| Actually, my fave character from the series was the fashion-conscious slaad. The idea of an extra-planar critter being so concerned about his attire was a delightful variation from the norm, and made him stand out far more than any of the others, for me. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 : 20:56:32
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Like RAS, I think Paul Kemp's writing outweighs - and even supplants - the story itelf. Thus, the story doesn't have to be great for us to enjoy it. Ed Greenwood, on the other hand, I think of in quite the opposite fashion - the man is a consummate storyteller (hence, his world-building skills). His writing, IMHO, isn't up to par with Salvatore's or Kemp's, but he more than makes up for it with 'meat'. They all keep me coming back, no matter how much I bitch & moan about stuff.
Now, Elaine Cunnigham - she's in a class by herself. Excellent writer AND excellent storyteller - how she is not more popular/famous - like J.K. Rowling famous - I'll never know. Her Evermeet novel is probably the only book I ever reread IMMEDIATELY after finishing it... it was just THAT GOOD. I think with the right material, she could create a series that would put HP to shame.
I think the Liriel story is more timely now than when they were written - I guess 'fame & fortune' is more about timing than anything else. In this post-Hunger Games, post-Divergent (and current 'Eleven' Stranger Things) social climate, the Liriel dark elf character has TONS of traction.
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In Netflix recent Brightmovie, the female elf (Tikka) that 'turned good' from being bad is a perfect example of exactly that type of character - she was my favorite part of the movie (Will Smith is always fun to watch, but he's basically the same character every time).
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Actually, my fave character from the series was the fashion-conscious slaad. The idea of an extra-planar critter being so concerned about his attire was a delightful variation from the norm, and made him stand out far more than any of the others, for me.
Agreed.
He reminded me of an anime villain, who sadly, tend to be much better developed than most movie, novel, or TV show villains these days. |
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Storyteller Hero
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jan 2018 : 06:40:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Actually, my fave character from the series was the fashion-conscious slaad. The idea of an extra-planar critter being so concerned about his attire was a delightful variation from the norm, and made him stand out far more than any of the others, for me.
Little to comic for me. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 18 Jan 2018 : 13:54:10
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Like RAS, I think Paul Kemp's writing outweighs - and even supplants - the story itelf. Thus, the story doesn' have to be rgeat for us to enjoy it. Ed Greenwood, on the other hand, I think of in quite the opposite fashion - the man is a consumatate stroyteller (hence, his world-building skills). His writing, IMHO, isn't up to par with Salvatore's or Kemp's, but he more than makes up for it with 'meat'. They all keep me coming back, no matter how much I bitch & man about stuff.
Now, Elaine Cunnigham - she's in a class by herself. Excellent writer AND excellent storyteller - how she is not more popular/famous - like J.K. Rowling famous - I'll never know. Her Evermeet novel is probably the only book I ever reread IMMEDIATELY after finishing it... it was just THAT GOOD. I think with the right material, she could create a series that would put HP to shame.
I think the Liriel story are more timely now than when they were written - I guess 'fame & fortune' is more about timing than anything else. In this post-Hunger Games, post-Divergent (and current 'Eleven' Stranger Things) social climate, the Liriel dark elf character has TONS of traction.
WELL SAID MARKUSTAY! +10 Likes. Elaine is SO awesome with her building of character and story. I'll also add that I really like Erin Evans in somewhat a similar fashion, though I think her storytelling would appeal more towards young girls (which hey... I'm not the only market).
I'll also say I agree with the stuff about Ed's novels versus his game material. He's definitely better at the game material... BUT his novels are incredibly complex. On some of them it just feels rushed, such that if he'd had more time it could have turned out better. I actually think Ed would make an excellent... how to phrase it... support author? Basically, take an author and have Ed work with them. Spread his wealth of ideas and lore. It may be too hard for him to do though (especially now). But that's hindsight, which is always 20/20 (or so we think).
I'd also say that I love Steven Schend, and he has done at least one great novel (did he do more besides Blackstaff?), but both he and Eric Boyd would fit better like Ed as "support authors". That being said, I'd sacrifice a small child to have Eric pumping out more lore. Of course, the problem is neither of them WORK for WotC, and they probably have daily work jobs like mine that are killing them slowly.
Then there's the other authors that I loved. Richard Lee Beyers, for having destroyed many things that I loved because he was forced to, is still a favorite of mine. His characters are great. I loved Mel Odom's characters as well in his novels, as I felt like he really knew the realms. Oh, and Mark Sehedestedt who wrote the novel around the eastern Lythari was pretty good. James P. Davis who wrote Shield of Weeping Ghosts and Bloodwalk was ok (I could have just been happy seeing a Durthan), but I never read Restless Shore or Circle of Skulls by him.
WHICH BRINGS US FULL CIRCLE BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND --- Like how I did that? 
Ummmmm, go read Circle of Skulls by James P. Davis.... I haven't but I'm pretty sure it has like all kinds of updates on Skullport. No, honestly, I didn't just talk myself into a circle and end up here. I, um, meant to get here. I'm awesome like that. |
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