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Titus le Chmakus
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Posted - 12 Sep 2017 :  09:54:29  Show Profile Send Titus le Chmakus a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Hi folkes

Any idea about how long would it take to set up a unit from scratch, for example for the Knights of the Argent Legion ?

I mean if you are for example Alustriel and you want to recruit a unit of 50 Knights of the Argent Legion from nothing. How long would it take, from the day you start till the unit is complete (equipment and troops training) ? 3 years ? 5 years ? 10 years ?

Edited by - Titus le Chmakus on 12 Sep 2017 10:05:33

Kentinal
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Posted - 12 Sep 2017 :  11:00:04  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well it does depend. In part it depends on population you draw from. Recruiting peasants is not the same as recruiting adventurers. The peasants have no training at all as fighters do have some training. It also depends on the population pool. Recruit from a single Town and it will take longer then recruiting from a city or a nation.

It also depends on level of training you require. Weapon specialist in three weapons takes longer then just one weapon.

For Alustriel I would guess she could find 50 people within six month that meet minimum standards for proposed Knights. Training to work as a unit, chain of command likely a another six months. Though misfits might be found and have to be replaced.

Equipment should be easy unless you are equipping with magic. Only a few weapon and armor smiths would be required to produce and maintain equipment. For masterwork I would allow a year, if no equipment purchased already ready. This of course could be done during the same time allocated for recruiting and basic training.

The training to high standards of elite would take about two more years I would guess.

I will repeat it depends on the resources you have to draw from. Trying to make an Elite Unit from a single town will take much longer.

Of course the Knights of the Argent Legion are actually recruited from other armies so already have much training and are already equipped.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Titus le Chmakus
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Posted - 13 Sep 2017 :  11:05:22  Show Profile Send Titus le Chmakus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, Knights of the Argent Legion is just an example !

When you say "The training to high standards of elite would take about two more years", do you mean from a peasant to an Elite or is it from some troops already with experience ?

And I was asking it for a Large city/Metropolis, not a town ! So plenty of resources! But from peasants to Elite directly. As I see, equipment is not a matter in this case, it is more related to money ! But my concerns is about time.
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https://www.warhistoryonline.com/medieval/8-ways-soldiers-recruited-medieval-england.html

https://www.quora.com/Im-a-freshly-recruited-soldier-in-medieval-Europe-What-kind-of-bootcamp-or-training-would-I-go-through-I%E2%80%99m-not-interested-in-nobility-that-may-have-been-getting-training-all-their-life-to-be-a-knight-or-man-at-arms#

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Kentinal
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Posted - 13 Sep 2017 :  14:45:26  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Given a city, you should already have a Watch and or a Guard. It would make sense to recruit from them. They already have military training. The two more years was after time to recruit and time to develop the unit as a team. I had allowed a year for that.

So yes about three years total should provide a well trained elite unit. What is required is intense training and of course good teachers.

It also can depend on how well trained they are when recruited. Your starting point can take months off the training time. You might cut time to maybe even two years as you draw the best from the watch and besides the first months of training seek to make them feel part of a special unit.

If you have the resources you could take maybe 500 peasants to 50 Elite in the same three years. Keep the best and fire the rest.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Posted - 13 Sep 2017 :  17:17:17  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It may be easier to adapt Birthright rules. And/or cross them with Power of Faerun.

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Titus le Chmakus
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Posted - 14 Sep 2017 :  15:30:33  Show Profile Send Titus le Chmakus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hum 3 years seems very quick to me ! But if you say so, you are the Sages :)

How about mages ? Takes what ? 10 years ?
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Kentinal
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Posted - 14 Sep 2017 :  16:24:33  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Titus le Chmakus

Hum 3 years seems very quick to me ! But if you say so, you are the Sages :)

How about mages ? Takes what ? 10 years ?



It part I looked at training for SEALS an elite unit of today's world. However it does depend on what you start with and how good the teachers are.

Well as to mages, that would depend on what level you want them to be. PCs certainly gain gain many levels in ten years. NPCs tend however to advance more slowly.

I would guess with a training program you should be able to achieve 5 level casters in perhaps four years. Maybe two years more for each higher level.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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Titus le Chmakus
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Posted - 15 Sep 2017 :  12:46:36  Show Profile Send Titus le Chmakus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great ! Helps a lot thanks
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