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Marco Volo
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France
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Posted - 11 Sep 2017 :  12:00:20  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Hi,
I have the idea to incorporate some of the kit rules from Wizards and Rogues + Warriors and Priests of the Realms to characters created for the 3.5 Údition (the Advantages/Inconvenients rules). But it seams very hard at first sight.
Did some of you ever tried this ? Advise could be very useful :)

Diffan
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USA
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Posted - 11 Sep 2017 :  13:47:55  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marco Volo

Hi,
I have the idea to incorporate some of the kit rules from Wizards and Rogues + Warriors and Priests of the Realms to characters created for the 3.5 Údition (the Advantages/Inconvenients rules). But it seams very hard at first sight.
Did some of you ever tried this ? Advise could be very useful :)



Well the first thought is to turn them into Prestige Classes. Not having seen the kits its difficult to know where they fit in mechanically speaking. You could also go the alternative class features route, like in Dragon #310 there were classes like the Knight, Corsair, Pugilist, Kensi, ect. that changed the base class to fit in features but also restricted it to certain feats.

What sort of Kits are in the books?

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

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Bladewind
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Posted - 11 Sep 2017 :  14:55:55  Show Profile Send Bladewind a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aye, I believe the shadowdancer prestige class is inspired by or found in Rogues and
Warriors of the Realms
(with its ability to hide in plain sight finding its origin in the 'shadowwalker' kit), so there definitely is precedent for the kits to be presented as PrC's.

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Marco Volo
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France
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Posted - 11 Sep 2017 :  19:11:25  Show Profile Send Marco Volo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your replies !

What I liked about those kits is that there concieved to be add at the character's creation (so, not.like Pretiges Classes). It's basicaly advantages and inconvenients your character has because he is let's say a Warrior from Cormyr. So a Warrior from Dragon Coast will have different advantages and inconvenients). Maybe it's more like the Regional Feats of PGtF. But the probl with feats is that many classes don't have enough of them.

I think i have to create something here but dunno what. Maybe a system of advantages and disadvantages of my own, but how can I found a balance... It's complicated.
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Diffan
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Posted - 11 Sep 2017 :  20:41:53  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marco Volo

Thanks for your replies !

What I liked about those kits is that there concieved to be add at the character's creation (so, not.like Pretiges Classes). It's basicaly advantages and inconvenients your character has because he is let's say a Warrior from Cormyr. So a Warrior from Dragon Coast will have different advantages and inconvenients). Maybe it's more like the Regional Feats of PGtF. But the probl with feats is that many classes don't have enough of them.

I think i have to create something here but dunno what. Maybe a system of advantages and disadvantages of my own, but how can I found a balance... It's complicated.



Then you really wanna check out Alternative class features. The cool thing about them is that you're swapping out something for something else. Or adding a bonus because there's a restriction. For example the Kensi loses proficiency with medium and heavy armor and all shields plus all martial weapons except 1 martial or exoitc weapon for which is his "preferred" weapon. It still uses the Fighter class in terms of Hit Die, Base Attack Progression, and Saving Throws. His class skills change and he's restricted to specific feats he can choose when he gains a Bonus Fighter feat.

Again I don't know what the Kits are because there's SO many classes in 3.5 that can be flavored to fit any theme that "kits" aren't necessarily needed.

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

"If WotC were to put out a box of free money, people would still complain how it was folded."
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TBeholder
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Posted - 11 Sep 2017 :  23:03:34  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On wizards of Nimbral - see in Ed's answers.

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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
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Posted - 12 Sep 2017 :  15:39:42  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A lot of the kit powers also work well as feats. I wrote up a potential article (didn't get bought) that essentially converted a lot of the 2E god kits and some of the specialty priest powers into feats.
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