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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Aug 2017 :  05:03:30  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Okay, here is something 'new' from the FRIA maps - the ones I have been staring INTENTLY at for years, and have somehow NEVER noticed this place. Its right at the source of that small tributary of the River Chionthar just south of Easting.

Normally when I am looki ng for stuff I go to the smaller maps, clicking past the larger one. However, one oddity about these damn FRIA maps is that stuff that appears at one 'level' of maps isn't always on the other levels, and this is on the larger regional map, rather than any of the smaller ones... which is just damn weird (although not so weird when you consider they never really made a smaller, insert-map for the Dragon Coast, etc)

All that being said, does anyone know anything about this place? too bad erc isn't around _ I am sure its in his notes 9since he placed all these obscure places on the FRIA maps).

The odd thing is, its close enough to Maerentede that the keep involved in that might be the same one from this, but that article says Maerantede was rebuilt out of Luhklyn Keep (is that another name anyone recognizes? Some old nobility name from somewhere?)

And there hasn't been a single thread that mentioned this place in all these years, which is really weird. How can I have been the first to notice it?

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A quick google suggests it might be in Code of the Harpers. I will check when i get home

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

A quick google suggests it might be in Code of the Harpers. I will check when i get home



It is there, though the info isn't all that copious... It's the office of the Herald Red Dragon, and page 79 of the book has these bits of info:

quote:
Red Dragon has traditionally been the office of young Heralds with new ideas and plans for the future. This has led to an important diplomatic role in arranged marriages amongst the nobility. Red Dragon also has the ceremonial duty of escorting supplicants in rituals of attaining or receiving a title, position, or honor.

The current holder of this office is Bellym Glarsh (NG hm F9), who dwells in Dragonrise Keep, a fortified compound south of Easting, near the headwaters of the stream that becomes the southern feeder of the River Chionthar.


That was the only hit for "Dragonrise" on a search of the pdf.

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Posted - 25 Aug 2017 :  18:35:27  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
NICE - thanks guys!

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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

NICE - thanks guys!



Dazz did the hard part.

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I just used my powers of googlefu.

Its interesting though that the Heralds have an entire keep.

I'm wondering if some would be king once purchased the legitimacy of his claim by granting a castle to the Heralds.

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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I just used my powers of googlefu.

Its interesting though that the Heralds have an entire keep.

I'm wondering if some would be king once purchased the legitimacy of his claim by granting a castle to the Heralds.



As I recall, each of the Heralds has a stronghold.

And I would say no, to your ponderings, because the Heralds value their neutrality to the point of splitting off from the Harpers. Someone buying a title with a castle would greatly undermine the neutrality of the Heralds.

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Holding a castle in the western heartlands isnt very neutral either. In cormyr they are admin in each settlement, in dragonrise they have land which means they have power.

Im not thinking a title was given, just a base for them to operate from and train in the heartlands. In return his line gets favoured over a rival or brother or cousin for example.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Holding a castle in the western heartlands isnt very neutral either.


What is non-neutral about having a protected home in a wilderness area?

quote:
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In cormyr they are admin in each settlement,


Only for heraldic functions. They do not hold Cormyrian titles or ranks and are not part of any Cormyrian hierarchy.

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in dragonrise they have land which means they have power.


Not if no one lives in the area. Even if someone does live in the area, simply having a plot of land does not automatically grant authority over anyone else.

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Im not thinking a title was given, just a base for them to operate from and train in the heartlands. In return his line gets favoured over a rival or brother or cousin for example.



And that's buying favor and thus destroying the neutrality of the Heralds -- something that not only gets a Herald cast out, it results in the removal of that entire office.

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They also have one over near Daggerford (VERY close in fact) - Black Helm Tower.

Plus, their Main Base (Herald's Hall) is directly south of Dragonrise Keep, in the Troll Mountains (and/or Qadim hills, which are the Foothils of the same chain). It would almost appear as if Dragonrise sits where it does as a 'first line of defense' (or just 'lookout') from the most likely direction an attack on the Heralds would come from.

EDIT:
And given the information you guys provided, now I find it even weirder that Maerentede and Dragonrise were so near each other.

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Edited by - Markustay on 26 Aug 2017 18:01:17
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