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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11 Jun 2017 : 20:05:52
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I will be starting a new 5e campaign soon based around the Dalelands. One of the premises is with the fall of Netheril and destruction of Myth Drannor, old enemies have been swift to take advantage. One idea I have is Zhentil Keep being rebuilt and has conquered the surrounding towns (Teshwave, Voonlar and Yulash) to form a small kingdom. With its armies at the gates of Hillsfar. I haven't decided what form this kingdom will take, i.e. Theocracy, Militocracy or whatever but my main creative block is giving it a name.
I would really appreciate any suggestions.
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RDS
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Jun 2017 : 16:23:24
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| Name it after the leader of your new kingdom. Make a clean break with the old. |
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jun 2017 : 21:12:57
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| Thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't considered that. |
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Misereor
Learned Scribe
164 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 07:25:14
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And name him "Zhentil", just to cover your bases.
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 08:17:14
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| Of course! No one would expect that! :-D |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4426 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 14:53:24
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Naming it after the leader is pretty cool. Could also use a group or organization's name as the Army. You could mash up all three towns (like Teshvoonlash) so that the people still have a connection with their roots. You could also play up the name of the Zhent but change it, like the Zhentilar, Zhentiamat (maybe they're dragon worshipers?), Zhentvar, or some variation that shows a connection to the old but a pushing forward with new?
Other company names:
Black Blades
Order of Steel
The Black Company (total rip off, I know)
The Ebon Fist
Order of...Darkscales or Darkscales Company
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 15:07:03
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| I really want the name to be a play on "Zhentil" somehow. Zhentilgard was an early idea but it's too much of a rip-off of Elturgard. Zhentvar is a good suggestion, I was toying with the simpler Zhentar but still undecided. I like the company name suggestions too. I've decided it's going to be a Stratocracy - rule through military chiefs. i.e. a council of "warlords" with a high warlord at the top. Still need to flesh out that a bit. |
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RDS
Acolyte
USA
25 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 17:24:03
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I guess my question would be...who is rebuilding the old city? Where are the military forces coming from? If they want to keep the Zhent name it's likely old soldiers and mercs I would think.
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 18:54:39
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| I'm effectively dialing the condition of Zhentil keep back to it's 3e condition. My RPG group isn't up on FR history so I'm just going to use personalities from 2e/3e era. Essentially, it's being rebuilt by Zhent soldiers and citizens. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11690 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 19:33:26
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Originally posted by Misereor
And name him "Zhentil", just to cover your bases.
Surname "Keeprocks" |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11690 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 19:57:51
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forgive the below, I'm in punny mood
Zhentylvania - and its new lord likes to eat with people pierced and bleeding out on nearby columns
Entilzhae Keep or Ilzhentae Keep - and there's a bunch of scro serving the new lord
Zhenital Fort - make sure to put a house of ill repute filled with a bunch of cold sores on their lips
But more seriously, Zhentavalar, Zhentilavan, Zhenteshyular, Zhenyulash,
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 20:09:12
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Zhenital Fort - make sure to put a house of ill repute filled with a bunch of cold sores on their lips
Zhenital Fort for sure! |
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Cyrinishad
Learned Scribe
300 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 20:25:12
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You could name it Zionil... Sounds like Zhentil, but is also a reference to Gond's ancient name... That'll mess with the players heads a bit, and make them "wonder" if it's ultimately good or evil... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11690 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 20:56:16
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4426 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 21:34:26
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| I really like Zhenteshyular! |
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see
Learned Scribe
235 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 22:57:14
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Zhentdale.
Complete with an ambassador being sent to the Dales Council to claim the old Teshendale seat; a lot of statues of Aencar the Mantled King standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the wizard Zhentar; talking about the need for Dales unity against the imperial ambitions of Cormyr and Sembia; and playing up the role of Zhentil Keep as the strong shield against invasion of the Dales by threats from the north. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11690 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 23:20:19
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Originally posted by Diffan
I really like Zhenteshyular!
You know, its kind of funny, but as I wrote that up, I was like "hmmm, that actually doesn't sound bad... and it kind of works for all sites... Zhentil keep, teshwave, yulash, voonlar". It even works in the national song, "Bane Bless Zhenteshyular, Our Hooooommmmmmmeeee SWWEEETTTT HOOOOOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEE!" |
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Rymac
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2017 : 23:52:15
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Originally posted by see
Zhentdale.
Complete with an ambassador being sent to the Dales Council to claim the old Teshendale seat; a lot of statues of Aencar the Mantled King standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the wizard Zhentar; talking about the need for Dales unity against the imperial ambitions of Cormyr and Sembia; and playing up the role of Zhentil Keep as the strong shield against invasion of the Dales by threats from the north.
I've always liked the idea of Teshendale returning, if only in name. |
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 10:39:29
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Really good suggestions here. Zhenteshyular is a great name! Zhenital Fort is hilarious!
I love the idea of the Zhents trying to come across as the good guys in the face of Cormyrean or Sembian expansion. I've had Tilverton rebuilt and Cormyr sure is supporting rebels in Daggerdale so the dales might be split in opinion. It's up to the players to come up with hard evidence. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 12:37:09
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| You could take the kingdom name from the area... Some of these cities are on the River Tesh, some are on the Moonsea. So you could go for Teshar, Teshal, Teshilar, Moonsaer, Moonlar, Moonsrar... |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 15 Jun 2017 12:37:39 |
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 15:37:22
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Certainly the River Tesh and the Moonsea are major geographical features. Especially if the Zhents are trying to de-emphasize their previous "bad deeds" then a non-Zhent sounding name might be appropriate. Teshilar sounds interesting. I think I'm sold on that!
Now to decide if it has a title to go with it. i.e. Kingdom of Teshilar. City-state of? Dominion of? Federation of? Hmm, I'm going too Star Trek-y now! :D |
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Gary Dallison
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United Kingdom
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 16:47:13
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| I wonder if the Zhents named the domain "Teshar" it would be recognized by anyone (apart from historians)? Would it help legitimize what they have done (subjugated the surrounding towns)? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 17:20:26
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Originally posted by Helm
I wonder if the Zhents named the domain "Teshar" it would be recognized by anyone (apart from historians)? Would it help legitimize what they have done (subjugated the surrounding towns)?
Only if they could somehow prove a connection to the original nation -- and even then, it would be iffy.
That might be a fun idea, though... As they're setting up their kingdom, the Zhents decide to see if they can find a connection to the original Netherese. It takes them some time, but they eventually track down a young woman who is a direct descendant of Teshar's last ruler. To get a degree of legitimacy, they plan to marry her off to the new ruler of Teshilar.
They don't realize the Harpers got to her first, though... (Or, depending on how you want to spin things, the Red Wizards or any other group)
It could also be more indirect. The young woman agrees to the marriage, but she's bringing her best friend along as a companion, to keep her company -- and it's the best friend that's working for the other group. |
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RDS
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 17:37:05
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| An heir could be Alaphlame. Hlonatar was a short lived kingdom at the terminus of the Tesh river and Alaphlame excaped Alokkair's wrath when she and her sisters tried to kill their tyrant father. If she survived there could be many heirs available to choose from. |
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 17:51:58
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| Really good adventure ideas here. I wonder of those Zhent wizards have invented an "identify DNA" spell? :D |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 17:57:04
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| Shoondale! Have the Leader be a descendant of Manshoon the Great! |
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Gary Dallison
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United Kingdom
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 18:49:10
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| So I'm guessing the Zhents could dig up a heir from the populace...using their detect DNA spells? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 15 Jun 2017 : 19:40:02
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Originally posted by Helm
So I'm guessing the Zhents could dig up a heir from the populace...using their detect DNA spells?
I'd expect it would be more like finding a distinctive item known to have belonged to a specific person -- it would likely be an heirloom passed down within a family. Once you find it, you can check back thru local histories and such to find the connection. |
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Helm
Acolyte
United Kingdom
22 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jun 2017 : 08:15:26
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| Yeah that sounds like a good adventure hook. I can imagine the PCs getting involved in a struggle to locate this heir. Maybe he or she has fled Teshar with a harper agent (possibly wounded in the process), with Zhentarim in pursuit. Maybe he/she is privy to some secrets Teshar don't want the Dales to know. I can imagine a chase adventure with the PCs racing to meet with the Dales Council for him or her to speak. |
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Suggestions for a realm name for Zhentil Keep
