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Lord Kristivas
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 Posted - 30 Apr 2017 : 15:59:29
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In the SCAG, the Chasm's been filled. How in the heck did they fill it? I know the answer is "magic", but does it say who performed this miracle? What do you think they filled it with? Is it solid stone, gravel, etc? I was just going to go with stone, but if there are specific details anywhere, I'd love to go with what's canon.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Apr 2017 : 17:25:38
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| They filled it with the mystical element handwavium. Its properties vary from use to use, but the main thing that's known about it is that it's far more readily available than unobtainium. |
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Lord Kristivas
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Apr 2017 : 17:51:08
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So the who done it is poppycock, and the how is malarkey, gotcha.
I had the grand fortune of being able to look through the old 2e Gray FR Boxed Set, and through some Volo guides the other day. I miss when the books gave you details like that. |
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Gary Dallison
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Markustay
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Posted - 30 Apr 2017 : 20:25:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
They filled it with the mystical element handwavium. Its properties vary from use to use, but the main thing that's known about it is that it's far more readily available than unobtainium.
"Once thought to be the rarest of elements in the Realms, the preponderance of said material seems to have grown exponentially when lands were exchanged during the Spellplague, and in the century following, so that by 1490 DR it is widely believe that there is now more Handwavium on Toril then all other elements combined".
--- Sir Markov VonSargasm, before the half-asleep Council of Magi who dwelleth upon the Coast
In other news, the new elemental lord of Handwavium - Laque'luztarr - has been seen all over The Realms, and is active in nearly every nook & cranny. He doesn't answer prayers; in fact, some believe he responds by doing the opposite of what people are asking for. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2017 : 20:50:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
They filled it with the mystical element handwavium. Its properties vary from use to use, but the main thing that's known about it is that it's far more readily available than unobtainium.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Once thought to be the rarest of elements in the Realms, the preponderance of said material seems to have grown exponentially when lands were exchanged during the Spellplague, and in the century following, so that by 1490 DR it is widely believe that there is now more Handwavium on Toril then all other elements combined".
--- Sir Markov VonSargasm, before the half-asleep Council of Magi who dwelleth upon the Coast
In other news, the new elemental lord of Handwavium - Laque'luztarr - has been seen all over The Realms, and is active in nearly every nook & cranny. He doesn't answer prayers; in fact, some believe he responds by doing the opposite of what people are asking for.
Lol, thanks for making my day (or what remains of it) |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 03:45:11
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Storyteller Hero
Learned Scribe
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KanzenAU
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 06:22:57
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Originally posted by Storyteller Hero
Ao brought back pieces of Toril from Abeir back to Toril and sent pieces of Abeir from Toril back to Abeir, Sundering the two worlds from the mishmash that the Spellplague had turned them into.
I don't think that was it. It seems like it was more a feat of engineering, per the SCAG:
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He (Dagult) engineered the sealing of the Chasm and the restoration of the High Road, and is seeking other ways to repair and improve the city.
My guess is that it's just good old fashioned earth and stone shoved in there to plug the gap, quarried over the thirty or whatever years Neverember has been rebuilding the city. Hells, short of using wizards, if I had a gap in my city that's how I'd fill it. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 07:20:30
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How about this - its really just an epic-level illusion, and he's scared to death someone might realize it... and start disbelieving.
Conversely, maybe they only used some magic and just built a 'cover' over the thing - a dozen or more feet of rock - instead of filling the whole thing in. Its a lot more interesting having the pit still under there (and trying to keep that secret), then to just say "they filled in the hole".
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
They filled it with the mystical element handwavium. Its properties vary from use to use, but the main thing that's known about it is that it's far more readily available than unobtainium.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Once thought to be the rarest of elements in the Realms, the preponderance of said material seems to have grown exponentially when lands were exchanged during the Spellplague, and in the century following, so that by 1490 DR it is widely believe that there is now more Handwavium on Toril then all other elements combined".
--- Sir Markov VonSargasm, before the half-asleep Council of Magi who dwelleth upon the Coast
In other news, the new elemental lord of Handwavium - Laque'luztarr - has been seen all over The Realms, and is active in nearly every nook & cranny. He doesn't answer prayers; in fact, some believe he responds by doing the opposite of what people are asking for.
Lol, thanks for making my day (or what remains of it)
Thank You, but Wooly deserves top credits for starting that ball rolling.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 10:17:51
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Originally posted by Markustay
How about this - its really just an epic-level illusion, and he's scared to death someone might realize it... and start disbelieving.
Conversely, maybe they only used some magic and just built a 'cover' over the thing - a dozen or more feet of rock - instead of filling the whole thing in. Its a lot more interesting having the pit still under there (and trying to keep that secret), then to just say "they filled in the hole".
I like this. It wouldn't have to be entirely filled in to be stable and to appear to have been completely filled, and that leaves some adventuring possibilities, this way.
I'd go more than a dozen feet of rock, myself, but otherwise this is a really nifty idea!  |
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Storyteller Hero
Learned Scribe
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 18:08:55
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You could mix'N'match - the 'cover' could be real rock, and the rest 'filled in' with illusion, or parts of it have a real rock covering, while other parts are only illusion, and he's working real hard to replace all the fake parts with real rock, but he's scrambling for enough coin to pay the wizards he'd employed to continue their work.
I doubt he'd use 'local talent' - I'm thinking gnomes, possibly from Lantan, for an engineering project of that magnitude. Plus, they'd be perfect for laying an illusion before doing the actual 'fill'.
You know what - you guys just made an idea *click* in my head - GNOME Inc. They do these sorts of ginormous, unwieldy projects, plus a lot of normal stuff like castle building. They specialize in doing an illusioary 'mock-up' of the finished product, so folks can do a 'walk through' and make whatever changes they want. For an extra fee, they can even make the illusion good enough to be used... temporarilly, of course.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 19:37:08
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Combine all of those ideas... The gnomes come in, and craft illusions of filling it all in -- in actuality, they've been layering wall of stone spells, starting from the surface and working downwards maybe 20 feet.
So far as anyone knows, the chasm is entirely filled in. Actually, though, it's just covered, and there are some areas they didn't close off, because those areas simply weren't as high a priority. They've just not gotten to them, yet.
They're nearing completion, when something happens. Maybe Lord Neverember pisses off the ranking gnome on the project. Maybe someone has started picking off the gnomes, and now there aren't enough left to complete the project. Maybe one of the factions that opposes Lord N has found out there are still gnomes in the area, doing something rather secretive. Whatever the problem, Lord Neverember needs it handled quickly and discreetly, before anyone finds out that he's been lying about having the chasm filled in.
Or maybe it was roofed over but not filled in, and something has crawled out and become problematic... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 19:49:53
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... and ate the gnomes.
SEE? Isn't this SO much better than "they filled in the hole"?  |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 01 May 2017 : 22:53:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
They filled it with the mystical element handwavium. Its properties vary from use to use, but the main thing that's known about it is that it's far more readily available than unobtainium.
I dunno, I just used a portal as part of the world tree to some planet named Pandora, while using a spell to make it so I didn't have to breathe. They had some big monsters and these weird blue jungle giants, but I just shot them with some lightning and they fell over. In fact, the jungle giants had some kind of braid/tentacle coming out of their head, and when you hit the end of it with a shocking grasp... they kind of danced and then fell over. After that, it was pretty much just use a spell to dig up some unobtainium and use the portal to come home. |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 May 2017 : 03:59:32
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| I'm going to steal that "filled with illusion magic" idea. Its something that Neverember would do (or that I picture him doing). And its better than just "I'm no fun, so I filled the Chasm because status quo" answer in the SCAG. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 02 May 2017 : 14:30:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Combine all of those ideas... The gnomes come in, and craft illusions of filling it all in -- in actuality, they've been layering wall of stone spells, starting from the surface and working downwards maybe 20 feet.
So far as anyone knows, the chasm is entirely filled in. Actually, though, it's just covered, and there are some areas they didn't close off, because those areas simply weren't as high a priority. They've just not gotten to them, yet.
They're nearing completion, when something happens. Maybe Lord Neverember pisses off the ranking gnome on the project. Maybe someone has started picking off the gnomes, and now there aren't enough left to complete the project. Maybe one of the factions that opposes Lord N has found out there are still gnomes in the area, doing something rather secretive. Whatever the problem, Lord Neverember needs it handled quickly and discreetly, before anyone finds out that he's been lying about having the chasm filled in.
Or maybe it was roofed over but not filled in, and something has crawled out and become problematic...
One thing to bear in mind, wall of stone isn't permanent anymore. It's concentration or 10 minutes. Same with wall of ice and force. No longer can you do construction with wall spells.
In fact, that could be a good feat... something that makes various types of walls and stuff permanent without concentration (or even if you just made them last a year or so, which would allow a community to throw up temporary walls and build permanent walls behind them.... making a wall of ice that lasts a day would give you enough time to chip it down to cool off drinks, etc.). It would have to have a LOT of those types of benefits to be worth it though. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 May 2017 : 17:08:45
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Combine all of those ideas... The gnomes come in, and craft illusions of filling it all in -- in actuality, they've been layering wall of stone spells, starting from the surface and working downwards maybe 20 feet.
So far as anyone knows, the chasm is entirely filled in. Actually, though, it's just covered, and there are some areas they didn't close off, because those areas simply weren't as high a priority. They've just not gotten to them, yet.
They're nearing completion, when something happens. Maybe Lord Neverember pisses off the ranking gnome on the project. Maybe someone has started picking off the gnomes, and now there aren't enough left to complete the project. Maybe one of the factions that opposes Lord N has found out there are still gnomes in the area, doing something rather secretive. Whatever the problem, Lord Neverember needs it handled quickly and discreetly, before anyone finds out that he's been lying about having the chasm filled in.
Or maybe it was roofed over but not filled in, and something has crawled out and become problematic...
One thing to bear in mind, wall of stone isn't permanent anymore. It's concentration or 10 minutes. Same with wall of ice and force. No longer can you do construction with wall spells.
Really? That's a nerf. I can't say I like that one. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 May 2017 : 17:46:19
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Yeah, but there's a lil' sumthin' sumthin' peeps keep forgetting about 5e that was its major selling point to me - PC's CAN'T do everything, and sometimes they'll come across bits of magic that are 'ancient & mysterious' that they simply CAN NOT DO.
You know, like how it was in 1e/2e.
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Wandering Sword
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Posted - 02 May 2017 : 18:23:22
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A map I made some time ago for the beginning of LMoP. I wanted a repaired NW city.
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 May 2017 : 22:52:16
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| Nice - great idea. Simple yet elegant. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 03 May 2017 : 02:52:50
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Yeah, but there's a lil' sumthin' sumthin' peeps keep forgetting about 5e that was its major selling point to me - PC's CAN'T do everything, and sometimes they'll come across bits of magic that are 'ancient & mysterious' that they simply CAN NOT DO.
You know, like how it was in 1e/2e.
Those Gnomish engineers have got a few 'Gondish spells' up their sleeves that no-one knows about.
Yeah, it might be worth developing some new spells like "summon earthen heap" that summons a pile of raw dirt and pebbles, but its permanent. Similar things like "summon pile of ice" that summons basically small bits of odd shaped ice (maybe enough to fill the equivalent of a couple ice chests) , but they stay and melt and form a puddle when they're done. In doing things like, mages can still better aid construction without outright putting some people out of a job, etc... |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 May 2017 : 01:24:17
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AO increased the size of Faerun's land mass the SCAG said, so some of that new land could have filled it in.
That is why Faerun is actually bigger then it was in 4e. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 05 May 2017 : 02:29:39
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Actually, its bigger because it went back to the way it was in 1e/2e, which is great (we got all our 'fiddly bits' back!)
But yeah, Ao *cough*
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KanzenAU
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sfdragon
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Posted - 05 May 2017 : 03:57:32
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| any maps would have to have been made after Nasher as the man the myth and legend forbid maps of neverwinter from being made, or it was illegally made and inaccurate |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Bakra
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Posted - 05 May 2017 : 20:20:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Combine all of those ideas... The gnomes come in, and craft illusions of filling it all in -- in actuality, they've been layering wall of stone spells, starting from the surface and working downwards maybe 20 feet.
So far as anyone knows, the chasm is entirely filled in. Actually, though, it's just covered, and there are some areas they didn't close off, because those areas simply weren't as high a priority. They've just not gotten to them, yet.
They're nearing completion, when something happens. Maybe Lord Neverember pisses off the ranking gnome on the project. Maybe someone has started picking off the gnomes, and now there aren't enough left to complete the project. Maybe one of the factions that opposes Lord N has found out there are still gnomes in the area, doing something rather secretive. Whatever the problem, Lord Neverember needs it handled quickly and discreetly, before anyone finds out that he's been lying about having the chasm filled in.
Or maybe it was roofed over but not filled in, and something has crawled out and become problematic...
One thing to bear in mind, wall of stone isn't permanent anymore. It's concentration or 10 minutes. Same with wall of ice and force. No longer can you do construction with wall spells.
In fact, that could be a good feat... something that makes various types of walls and stuff permanent without concentration (or even if you just made them last a year or so, which would allow a community to throw up temporary walls and build permanent walls behind them.... making a wall of ice that lasts a day would give you enough time to chip it down to cool off drinks, etc.). It would have to have a LOT of those types of benefits to be worth it though.
Actually wall of stone can be made permanent if the caster keeps the concentration going for the full duration.
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 May 2017 : 21:20:22
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The way I look at it, the older maps (and now newer maps) were done with a 'projection', which means on the extremes (top and bottom) of the map everything gets stretched (like RW maps with a Mercator Projection). That would mean the 3e (and probably 4e) maps were actually more size-accurate, because they were 'local' and didn't have any the distortion you get on the larger maps.
Of course, that doesn't really hold water once you start measuring stuff and looking at distances in written products, but it was the best i could come up with (in 3e - the fact that they've gone back to the 'bigger, better' format kind of screws all that up).
If we go with what they are trying to pull-off, then maybe we lost a lot of terrain during the ToT (which also had 'magical chaos'), and by the time Torillians remapped everything it was 3e. The 'Wild magic Zones' could have been like giant drains, drawing matter into other planes/worlds (like how if you depressurize a plane or spaceship, things get sucked-out). Then comes 5e and they have to remap everything all over again (must suck living in an ever-changing, magical world). |
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Ari
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Posted - 17 May 2017 : 17:36:52
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Idea: since most people don't actually know much about the world because they can't afford to travel, they rely on maps. So who benefits from constant changes to geography, distance and the like in time spans that exceed "normal"(human) lifespans? Wizards.
The whole deal with shrinking, expanding, switcherooing landmasses is all a backstage plot by wziards the world over to control the continental economy and fix the prices of Gate travel/fixed portals. It took you five days to get from Suzail to Tilverton a hundred years ago? Buckle up friendo now it takes fifteen. A constant is the subtle warp keeping Kara-Tur, Al-Qadim and Faer#363;n largely separate, both to maintain a "pure" vision of the world and to keep prices up on goods from there.
Anyway, Wandering Sword's idea of cutting a channel from Neverwinter river to the Chasm does seem likthe "best" solution, that is most interesting and graceful and unreliant on random magic. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 May 2017 : 18:35:16
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Unless there's a cabal of wizards (aside from those dwelling on the seashore) who gather with the express purpose of physically re-arranging geography, a plot by in-setting wizards to benefit from the uncertainty is rather unlikely. Moving all that land around would take a heck of a lot of power; we're talking something on the scale with the elven Sundering.
And trying some grand fakery won't work when travelers are traversing the terrain and can directly say how long it took. |
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Neverwinter Chasm, Post-Sundering
