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Ari
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Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  05:49:12  Show Profile Send Ari a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In case that wasn't sarcasm Markustay, the Company of the Lynx(an animal that, as any Canadian knows, smells damned terrible) was from 2e and were the central figures of the Time of Troubles. I know 2e is shunned with much gnashing of teeth and rending of fine garments here, but I will brave the storm to bring this knowledge to light as is my wont of undinted courage.

They were the people who became gods at the close of the arc. Kelemvor "Mutton Chops" Lyonsbane, Midnight Minimystra, Cyric McBackstabbersman, some Sune priest(I know. Not priestess? Bold choice) and Kelemvor's lycanthrope panther form invented to show off the new lycanthropy rules.

As we all know Cyric lost his mind while gaining the powers of three ancient gods, Kelemvor's efforts at reforming death buckled under the weight of the other gods and cosmic inconsistencies and Mystra had to endure Elminster's drunken late-night sendings.
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Ari
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Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  05:52:07  Show Profile Send Ari a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And I feel 120 minutes of Netherese archmages reenacting the Fast and the Furious movies with their flying magic enclaves would be divine.
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Rymac
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Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  08:10:21  Show Profile  Visit Rymac's Homepage Send Rymac a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ari

And I feel 120 minutes of Netherese archmages reenacting the Fast and the Furious movies with their flying magic enclaves would be divine.



Oh no, don't let Justin Lin near it.

- Ryan
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  09:47:48  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ari

In case that wasn't sarcasm Markustay, the Company of the Lynx(an animal that, as any Canadian knows, smells damned terrible) was from 2e and were the central figures of the Time of Troubles. I know 2e is shunned with much gnashing of teeth and rending of fine garments here, but I will brave the storm to bring this knowledge to light as is my wont of undinted courage.

They were the people who became gods at the close of the arc. Kelemvor "Mutton Chops" Lyonsbane, Midnight Minimystra, Cyric McBackstabbersman, some Sune priest(I know. Not priestess? Bold choice) and Kelemvor's lycanthrope panther form invented to show off the new lycanthropy rules.

As we all know Cyric lost his mind while gaining the powers of three ancient gods, Kelemvor's efforts at reforming death buckled under the weight of the other gods and cosmic inconsistencies and Mystra had to endure Elminster's drunken late-night sendings.



Huh. I don't recall that group having a name, but it's been ages since I read those novels.

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Thoth
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Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  11:46:52  Show Profile Send Thoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hahahah! Oh, that was rich waking up to this morning. Heh.
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R P Davis
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Posted - 14 Apr 2017 :  16:11:42  Show Profile  Visit R P Davis's Homepage Send R P Davis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Caolin

But the people involved don't seem to be up to the task of doing this right. They are motivated by money in an attempt to replicate Marvel's success. They care nothing for the IP and will wreck it in the process. My advice for everyone is to not get your hopes up, forget it exists, and MAYBE be pleasantly surprised if it somehow turns out well.



You mean like the Chris Pine Star Trek movies? Or the Dr Who TV reboot?

Seriously, though, if Wizbro want to do an epic fantasy story, Dragonlance is the way to go. It's a LOT of information to cram into 90-120 minutes, though.

Hell, just give it to PJax; it'll be five 120-minute movies and billion$ in merch.

Cheers,

Bob
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Markustay
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Posted - 14 Apr 2017 :  19:33:22  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm not familiar enough with DL to judge. Most of my knowledge comes through Lord Soth, and thats only because he was in Ravenloft for a time. Now, a movie based around that, or just RL, would be kinda cool, but without knowledge of all the other settings, it might not be able to stand-alone (since its whole premise is that its a hodgepodge of settings).

I'm only looking at this froman FR perspective though - what 'bits' of The Realms are highly marketable in today's cultural environment. Right now, anything having to do with 'freedom of sexual expression', oppression, and 'emotionally distraught female hero' (as opposed to the traditional fantasy trope of the stoic male hero) would sell like hotcakes.

Although I've never actually witnessed Hotcakes selling all that well...

The Morgan Freeman thing is pure gold. I'm not a big fan of changing stuff from canon (it NOT 'racism', its GROGNARDISM), but I can totally see Freeman pulling it off with aplomb. Loved your add, BTW, Wooly.

Any type of narration by an 'Elminster type' would go along way in telling some backstory without having to do it heavy-handed style in-story (I really hate all that artificial-sounding dialogue, "lets talk about our past for absolutely no reason at all blah blah blah..."). Of course, ED Greenwood could probably do a better job, but he wouldn't have the wide-appeal Morgan Freeman would.

I hope you all have realized that I don't mind selling a bit of our souls to get FR to become mainstream? Sometimes, if you love something, you have to set it free. Someone mentioned Star Trek, and thats a pretty good comparison (and as an old 'Trekkie' from WAY back - so much so Uhuru knew who I was at Gencon 2012, from a meeting we had at the ST convention in Manhattan back in 1975!!! - can accept a new continuity, than I guess we all can).

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 14 Apr 2017 19:33:41
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Caolin
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 :  03:54:20  Show Profile Send Caolin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh gods! I would rather see FR die than see it go mainstream. To me the end result is the same. I've already given up Star Trek for dead given the terrible movies in the Faux Trek timeline.
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Markustay
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 :  06:49:22  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The first movie was good...

The second? Well... lets just say I didn't bother to go see the third.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Ari
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 :  15:46:36  Show Profile Send Ari a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Shame, it's the most Star Trek thing for decades. Making war part of your identity makes you a monster! Revenge is pointless! Inner-city Black American culture holds the key to victory!

There's no horrible romance sub-plot, it has an actual, developed ending and resolution. There's a bit where Kirk realizes he's older than his father was when Kirk Sr. bought it. The new woman character isn't an embarrassment. Into Darkness was bad but it doesn,t stain Beyond.
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Ari
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Posted - 15 Apr 2017 :  16:03:53  Show Profile Send Ari a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Besides which, Caolin hasn't the Forgotten Realms been "mainstream" since the 80's? I admit I only knew about it around 2002, but TSR and Hasbro have always been tryin to make it more popular and fit current trends, even if largely narrative ones. If it's kept in some box like a relic it will just die.

I look at it kind of like the A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones split: Game of Thrones is a really badly-written show that makes Martin's invented world, themes and characters into a cartoon land of Seinfieldian nihilism, but it brought the ideas and a few of the core principles out into the eyes of a wider audience who could be inspired by it.

The whole reason we HAVE the Realms now is because Greenwood wanted other people to see it. Also money, but the first was a big part of it. Eberron, Dragonlance, Midgard, the worlds of Pathfinder etc., all owe as much to that weird, silly, endearingly corny imagnary world.

There are some real good things to take from the FR. Diversity and open-mindedness as a force unto itself, for example, is baked into its base assumptions. But if it just stalls into a footnote of irrelevant gaming trivia then so what.

Going "mainstream" for mass appeal will mean losing a lot of what has been taken for granted for many years. But it will gain a lot more back. Even if it means the movie will probably be some hackjob made by whomever a toy company can round up.

It can't be worse than the Spellplague.

Edited by - Ari on 15 Apr 2017 16:05:00
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Gyor
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Posted - 16 Apr 2017 :  19:47:56  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Forgotten Realms is the setting of settings.

Within Faerun proper You have the Heartlands, the Old Empires Region, the Swordcoast & the North, The Lands of Intrugue, the Moonshaes, Evermeet, the Utter East, The Hordelands, the Cold Lands, The Dragon Coast, Chult, The Shining Plains, The Shaar, The Inner Sea, and so on, most of which are areas that make fine settings in their own right.

Then you can go beyond Faerun to Maztica, Kara Tur, Zakara, Kalaskara (I may have misspelled that, Archrome, Osse, and then beyond Toril to Abier, Glyth, and the planes.

So I can see as decentralized as the realms are, how hard knowing where to set a movie really is, but my suggestion is starting with Everis Cale, he would transition well to movies and he doesn't piss people off like Drizzt does (not me, other people).
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Firestorm
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Posted - 16 Apr 2017 :  23:53:15  Show Profile Send Firestorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Forgotten Realms is the setting of settings.

Within Faerun proper You have the Heartlands, the Old Empires Region, the Swordcoast & the North, The Lands of Intrugue, the Moonshaes, Evermeet, the Utter East, The Hordelands, the Cold Lands, The Dragon Coast, Chult, The Shining Plains, The Shaar, The Inner Sea, and so on, most of which are areas that make fine settings in their own right.

Then you can go beyond Faerun to Maztica, Kara Tur, Zakara, Kalaskara (I may have misspelled that, Archrome, Osse, and then beyond Toril to Abier, Glyth, and the planes.

So I can see as decentralized as the realms are, how hard knowing where to set a movie really is, but my suggestion is starting with Everis Cale, he would transition well to movies and he doesn't piss people off like Drizzt does (not me, other people).

I suggested Cale as well. The books have a tad more Game of thrones type feel that the audience today craves.
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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 :  01:38:34  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Cale series could work, with some tweaking. We'd need some more 'identifiable' characters ('white dude of middling years' just doesn't cut the mustard anymore - audiences are bored with that). The stuff with the gnolls in the Gulthmere is golden - that makes for some great eye-candy. Not sure how the Slaad would look - could be amazing, could be silly. And Jak is good for the 'feels'. The Sojournor is an epic villain - would look great on-screen, but might be too awesome for a first FR movie (it would be very hard to top a guy who juggles planets). I don't know what happens in latter books - I avoid anything having to do with Gods or even Chosen (hence, why I haven't read ANY FR books in quite some time).

Erin's Tiefling character would work, but we'd have to dial-back those horns to keep her more 'humanish' (once again, trying t go with a character that would please today's tastes). Maybe shoe-horn her into the Cale stories somehow. Start her out human, and then her demonic heritage gets 'awakened' (YES, I know that now how the stories or even D&D goes, but we're talking about a movie with mass-appeal here). We have to first feel sorry for the character before we can like her.

You know, with the Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate game - not to mention the Drizzt books - you would think FR was already mainstream, but NOPE, for whatever reason, most people are still unaware of it.

quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The Forgotten Realms is the setting of settings.

Within Faerun proper You have the Heartlands, the Old Empires Region, the Swordcoast & the North, The Lands of Intrugue, the Moonshaes, Evermeet, the Utter East, The Hordelands, the Cold Lands, The Dragon Coast, Chult, The Shining Plains, The Shaar, The Inner Sea, and so on, most of which are areas that make fine settings in their own right.

Then you can go beyond Faerun to Maztica, Kara Tur, Zakara, Kalaskara (I may have misspelled that, Archrome, Osse, and then beyond Toril to Abier, Glyth, and the planes.

So I can see as decentralized as the realms are, how hard knowing where to set a movie really is, but my suggestion is starting with Everis Cale, he would transition well to movies and he doesn't piss people off like Drizzt does (not me, other people).
No Hordelands? That's my FAVORITE sub-setting.

Probably because not only can it easily stand on its own, it 'marries' at least three other major Torillian settings.

Semphar and Murghôm need more love.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 17 Apr 2017 01:43:15
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Ari
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 :  02:42:09  Show Profile Send Ari a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sembia as the Realms' 'default' land has a lot going for it. In the thick of a bunch of major national feuds, mercenary and trading central, cosmopolitan without the Sword Coast's very Canadian tolerance and warm-hearted acceptance to work around, right across the pond from Tymanther and Akan#363;l, so easy to explain where these weird folks come from, it has it all. Especially since a lot of fantasy worlds have the problem that their major locale requires you to trek all the way to the butt-end of nowhere to get to the good parts. Looking at you, Shire.

Not even any history to work around or nothing because WHAT HISTORY. It started out as a blank slate and besides the novels it's only major tie-in role was as an unwilling province and subject of the Shadovar. Which is great because most fantasy stories need some relative normality to break from.

Markustay, even if we're just spinning hypotheticals, is making Farideh less outwardly monstrous wise? It,s a major part of the character that a lot of people just see "a tiefling" and dump buckets of implicit/explicit bigotry on her head. Obviously the massive, curling horns, blank orbs of one solid colour for eyes, big tail and blackened veins would be a hassle, but I feel it would be worth the effort. Of course, making the difference between her and a normal human slighter and leaning on how ridiculous it is that people react that way could be good too...
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Markustay
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Posted - 17 Apr 2017 :  06:56:09  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Problem is, in a movie we SEE 'the monster'. We need audiences to identify with the character. At least start her off humanish, and have her fiendish heritage 'awaken' (perhaps when she hits puberty? Like a mutant?) THEN we have a strong female character who is treated badly just for the way she looks, or acts, and THAT is something today's audiences CAN identify with.

Whatever they go with, I just hope the damn movie is good (for once), and if it turns out bad (again), then maybe we should be thankful if it isn't set in the Realms.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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