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Shadowlord
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Posted - 03 Apr 2004 :  08:15:22  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I've heard rumors of certain elves called "Blackrose Elves" that were the inhabitants of another elven world such as Faerie. However, I have not managed to find any official information on them. All I have so far is "The origins of the Blackrose Elves are mostly unknown. They were first sighted some 1,000 years ago - only later to disappear and were believed to be extinct, though there have been recent reports of activity and sightings. However, most who meet them never live to tell anyone. They are evil and have sadistic traits that almost rival those of the Drow." Even if they actually don't exist in Realmslore, it might be fun to make them into a new player race...

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.

The Sage
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They sound almost like the Sith Shadowfey from the Ravenloft setting.

From where did you first read of this 'official' information Shadowlord...?

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Shadowlord
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Posted - 03 Apr 2004 :  17:30:49  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah Sage, after a bit of delving I discovered that they are a created race, and not truly "canon," though it is as I expected. Hmmm, might be a nice idea to create the race though... At least this elven subrace doesn't have lightbulbs hanging off their foreheads...

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"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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The Sage
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Actually for some time now, I've been wanting to try my hand at the creation of a unique Sidhe-based PC race . If your interested in a little collaborative effort, let me know, and maybe we can come up with something together.

Heh, maybe even something that Alaundo would like to include in the Candlekeep archives...

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Posted - 04 Apr 2004 :  15:44:27  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage  Click to see Alaundo's MSN Messenger address Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Heh, maybe even something that Alaundo would like to include in the Candlekeep archives...



Well met

Oh indeed, my dear Sage. Theres always room for such pennings within the library ::pushes aside some musty old tomes and places a "reserved" sign on the shelf::

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Shadowlord
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Posted - 04 Apr 2004 :  16:56:34  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Alright, Sage. I agree. Do you want to handle this by etheral mail or here at Candlekeep?

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 04 Apr 2004 :  19:08:08  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage  Send Steven Schend a Yahoo! Message Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Actually for some time now, I've been wanting to try my hand at the creation of a unique Sidhe-based PC race . If your interested in a little collaborative effort, let me know, and maybe we can come up with something together.

Heh, maybe even something that Alaundo would like to include in the Candlekeep archives...




Hope you don't mind my butting in here, but an easy way to do this would be to reference and use the Fey-Born or Shadow-Born templates from Bryon Wischstadt's FAERIES book from Bastion Press. I know it's not Realms-canonical, but Bryon has always been one of my go-to guys on Realmslore and we both worked to make sure it could work with the Realms and any published setting.

Yes, I recommend it highly, but then again, I am biased here. That said, it's all exactly in line with what y'all discussed herein--an elven subrace linked to Faerie and/or not necessarily the happy side of it either. Good luck with this, wherever your studies take you.

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Shadowlord
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Nay, Steven, I do not mind at all. Your input is, as always, highly appretiated. As for the tome you mentioned, I do not have one... Mayhaps the Sage of Perth has access to it...

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :  05:35:35  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage  Click to see Bookwyrm's MSN Messenger address Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Blackrose elves, eh? Sounds like drow flower-children.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Shadowlord

Alright, Sage. I agree. Do you want to handle this by etheral mail or here at Candlekeep?

Until we get a solid basis with which to build upon regarding this new race, I think it would be best if we talk over the ethereal mail service...



I'd considered picking up Bryon Wischstadt's Faeries, but the 'Ravenloft' Van Richten's Guide to the Shadow Fey has plenty of useful material (templates for examples) that we can pillage in order to get started.

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Steven Schend
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm

Blackrose elves, eh? Sounds like drow flower-children.



Listen to the flower people...or else...

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Shadowlord
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Posted - 05 Apr 2004 :  20:11:47  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

quote:
Originally posted by Shadowlord

Alright, Sage. I agree. Do you want to handle this by etheral mail or here at Candlekeep?

Until we get a solid basis with which to build upon regarding this new race, I think it would be best if we talk over the ethereal mail service...



I'd considered picking up Bryon Wischstadt's Faeries, but the 'Ravenloft' Van Richten's Guide to the Shadow Fey has plenty of useful material (templates for examples) that we can pillage in order to get started.



That sounds fine. I shall contact you via the Candlekeep Etheral Mail system as soon as I am able... Luckily, I do possess Van Richten's Guide to the Shadow Fey, though I have no access to Bryon Wischstadt's Faeries...

The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 :  03:59:13  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmmm...are you a Ravenloft fan then as well Shadowlord...?

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Arivia
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Shadowlord, I'm not sure what you originally got this idea from, but look at the custom Elvish NPCs when you've got a CEP-enabled NWN module open in the toolset...
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 :  04:27:30  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah...that's a great idea Arivia, and also a great resource to draw some ideas from...

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Arivia
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No, I'm not sure you get it, Sage...there's a pair of Blackrose Elf NPCs...
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Apr 2004 :  04:49:33  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, I do 'get' what you mean, and that's exactly it... NPCs are an interesting way to see newly created races in action. I know it's a CRPG, but it could generate some intriguing possibilities...

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Graxx Shadowstone
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Posted - 07 Apr 2004 :  00:10:54  Show Profile  Visit Graxx Shadowstone's Homepage Send Graxx Shadowstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually Arivia, I was aware of the NPC race long before the CEP. It was a downloadable hak file at www.nwvault.com, and it was not an "original" CEP race. It's true creator was Robert Burson, look it up at NWVault sometime...

However, I intend to have a player race of a different name, and with a much different background. It will come to seem nothing like the NWN NPC race...


Indeed, Sage. Big fan of Ravenloft here... (Though I try not to say as much when Alaundo is lurking around every corner... ) A setting seems just a bit more realistic when there aren't magic items everywhere, or is it just me....


The "Sith" template would indeed work quite nicely, as you reccommended... I already had a template in mind, but yours seems to fit the description better. I'm thinking that this race of elves was banished from the ancestral home of Faerie, because of their evil, and that has left them bitter and sullen... I'll go into further detail via etheral mail...


Just letting you know, this is my moderator name under the Candlekeep Inn, I posted this before I realized that my "Graxx Shadowstone" account was still active...
*Sigh* My identity is revealed...

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The Sage
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Hmmm...I had a lingering feeling about Graxx, it's nice to know that I was right...



I've already received your first email Shadowlord, and, I've sent some suggestions back of my own, in reply. Be sure to let me know what you think...

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Shadowlord
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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 :  01:48:15  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Really? You had a feeling about Graxx, did you? Ah, I thought I was being secretive... *Sigh*


You sent another e-mail after the first? If so, I did not recieve it. Or mayhaps you are referring to the first one you sent me...

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"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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The Sage
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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 :  01:55:26  Show Profile  Send The Sage an AOL message  Click to see The Sage's MSN Messenger address  Send The Sage a Yahoo! Message Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No, I'd sent a second one...Confound it...

That's the last time I use my Hotmail account...

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Shadowlord
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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 :  02:11:56  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ah, in that case I reccommend you send it again. I once had hotmail... Too unreliable for me. Thats why I switched to Comcast...

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The Sage
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Yes, that could be one possibility, but I think it has less to do with the unreliability of Hotmail, and more to do with the recent updates that I made to my (homebrew) OS, that I having been creating these last several months.

There's been a series of conflicts in the past between my own OS, and the heavily Microsoft-influenced Hotmail system....

I think I'll stick to my dragonlance.zzn account.

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Shadowlord
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Posted - 08 Apr 2004 :  02:33:24  Show Profile  Visit Shadowlord's Homepage  Send Shadowlord an AOL message Send Shadowlord a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Right then. I await your reply...

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Alrunes Sinethal
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Posted - 11 Apr 2004 :  03:47:29  Show Profile  Visit Alrunes Sinethal's Homepage  Send Alrunes Sinethal an AOL message Send Alrunes Sinethal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You know Faerie isn't all good. There are the seelie and unseelie courts. But then again, there is Faerie, and there is FR Faerie. Isn't the FR Faerie almost destroyed due to incessant wars, hence most if not all of the elves left and spread to FR (extrapolate the Multiverse).

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Shadowlord
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Yes, and the race we're creating was exiled from Faerie before most of the elves traveled to Faerūn.

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"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri.
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