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dazzlerdal
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Apr 2017 :  22:06:49  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jar Jar was a mere trifling annoyance.

Abeir and 4e/5e are the star wars christmas special, the alien 4, the episode of Dynasty where it all turns out to be a dream.


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sleyvas
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USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2017 :  23:21:41  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

They were surprisingly good.

I'd place J.K. Rowling in the Ed Greenwood category - one helluva storyteller.

Your idea: There is a precedent for that (the Time-Turner) in the novels, and I thought of that as well. Write a story where Harry's son has to go back and fix things, because his dad turned into a total jerk (he's not even with his mom - he knocked-up Ginny and just went his merry way). That could be a 'what if...' and still be within continuity... that could work, and fit right into the planned sequels.

The world would change as well - be like how the world changed for Marty in Back to the Future (a darker version). Then have Snape (guess we'd need a different actor - *sob*) be a good guy that helps the son... since he IS his namesake.

Little Sev would have been 'protected' from forgetting the real version of the world - with magic, we can create any sort of McGuffin we wanted. (wearing a 'bowler of mental protection' or some-such). We may want to go back a bit before when Harry was 'sorted', though, so we could get away with different (younger) actors. The originals are too old now. maybe even go back to when Voldemort was creating the Horcruxes...

AND, we did it again. Sorry mods.

Tales from the Yawning Portal - it am good! You buy it, me no kill you!!!

{too much?}



Yeah, buy Tales from the Yawning Portal... I am just so that they can keep the doors open and make more stuffs.


Oh, and yeah, I just hate reading books after I've watched the movies. That being said, its been so long since I saw the first movies, that it's vague in my mind. My girlfriend's little girl is 8, so maybe once I finish my reread of the Thayan civil war trilogy, I'll shift around and start these and buy her a copy too. Then we can watch the movies together (first time for her... fun for me).

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
13455 Posts

Posted - 11 Apr 2017 :  07:38:03  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The books are very different.

Well, maybe not different, but rather better, because there is so much more back-story developed (turns out Harry's father was a bit of a jerk himself - he was "Snape's Bully"). Also, it was Harry's father's 'gang' that created the marauder's map. which they don't get into at all in the movies. Harry had several girlfriends. Ginny was a bit of a ho for awhile there. Hermione was actually kinda plain until she got hit in the mouth and got 'fixed' with magic (they never covered any of that in the movies), which makes the whole thing with her and Ron make a bit more sense (he was the only boy who liked her when she was still 'funny looking'). Luna lovegood's part was much bigger; in fact, a bunch of other characters were much more developed (including teachers). Entire IMPORTANT characters were completely left out (there was a reporter involved in the Goblet of Fire novel, and in the books, thats when Luna was introduced, as a counter to that reporter, and Hermione gets a bit 'medieval' on her). And so much more... its like learning about FR from Drizzt novels compared to reading all the sourcebooks... SERIOUSLY.

Treat yourself.

Back on-topic:
Ya know, ya have to give WotC 'bravery props' for publishing a book with 'yawn' in the title.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 11 Apr 2017 07:44:26
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farinal
Learned Scribe

Turkey
211 Posts

Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  01:49:09  Show Profile Send farinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just got my book yesterday. It's a gorgeous thing of beauty. Art is top notch. I really like the presentation as well. Adventures are already as you know, awesome! Seems like a surprise favorite product for me. If only SCAG was a bit better I wouldn't have any problem wtih 5E line of books. (Perhaps apart from Tyranny of Dragons)

"Show some respect!" the draegloth thundered. "You adress High Priestess Quenthel Baenre, Mistress of Arach-Tinilith, Mistress of the Academy, Mistress of Tier Breche, First Sister of House Baenre of Menzoberranzan... you insolent dog!"
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moonbeast
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USA
280 Posts

Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  02:20:52  Show Profile Send moonbeast a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, started reading my copy today (got it from Amazon). It's a very good book. It's basically the classics updated to 5E, with minor changes here and there, but essentially left the intent and flavor of the same classics. I agree with farinal, the artwork is quite nice. I just wish they would let us download some high-resolution JPEG/PDF maps of the adventures. The maps from the Giants series would be really welcome. I hate scanning pages and maps directly from a hardcover book since it tends to damage the spine of the book.
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KanzenAU
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Australia
646 Posts

Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  02:55:20  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hopefully this will help, moonbeast.

Regional maps for Waterdeep, Triboar, Ardeep Forest, and Cormyr on DM's Guild, plus a campaign sized map for the North
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sleyvas
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 13 Apr 2017 :  17:14:09  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If there were one piece that I wish they'd done at a glance, its the "new monsters" section. They have "evoker" as a monster, when what this is is an NPC built for that module. I just wish they'd separated these out into the two separate groupings of "new monsters" and "NPC encounters". Just to clear up whenever someone starts making a list of monsters and we have "a different version of the evoker monster" elsewhere.

I will say that even though I've played this game/read material from it for the past 35 years... there's been so much that's been produced that 3 of the 7 adventures listed here I've only given passing glances at most (forge of fury, I've never looked at... Sunless Citadel I literally only looked at in the past two months when I started working more on the red mineral forest of Shyr... and the Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan I've glanced through). I can also say that the final 2 years full of dungeon magazine's physical run, I kept buying them and still have them in their wrappers.

This is why, for me, the idea of buying new modules just for realmslore/new rules was a hard buy (i.e. I've got so many modules that I can adapt). That being said the sheer drought of anything being released makes me more apt to buy. It may get to a point though where I just start looking more at DMs Guild and hoping that some of us who have a love of the realms start producing (which is why I gotta get off my own butt and finish my own stuff).

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas

Edited by - sleyvas on 13 Apr 2017 17:38:47
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
4790 Posts

Posted - 14 Apr 2017 :  04:56:37  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas


This is why, for me, the idea of buying new modules just for realmslore/new rules was a hard buy (i.e. I've got so many modules that I can adapt). That being said the sheer drought of anything being released makes me more apt to buy. It may get to a point though where I just start looking more at DMs Guild and hoping that some of us who have a love of the realms start producing (which is why I gotta get off my own butt and finish my own stuff).



I've decided I'm not going to buy WotC quasi-Realms products. They do nothing for me and just perpetuate the direction that WotC has decided to take if sales are good. This product in my view is purely indicative of the lack of originality and timidity that permeates the WotC creative team - and that's something I'm not prepared to give support to. In the modern world of PDF publishing, with designers such as Ed for the Realms, Keith Baker for Eberron and a host of grognards for GH ready to churn out material, it only needs a green light from the powers that be. They even have the DMs Guild as a vehicle to do it easily and cheaply. But they choose not to. In days gone by, the view was that the brand and sales suffered due to the smaller and smaller subset of fans that existed for the various campaign worlds, due to little crossover. It was too expensive to publish phyiscal books in that environment. PDF publishing has put paid to that in my view and it's now simply a question of "why aren't you doing x, y or z?" Why? Well, I'd hazard a guess that the small, barely hanging on gang of designers at WotC have to justify their existence - if they farm out too many gigs to external parties, the bean counters are likely to wonder what they're paying them for.

So we'll continue to see re-hashed stuff updated from the time when real creative types had a hand on the wheel, uninspiring APs that are Realms lite and a stately procession to 6th Edition when another PH/DMG/MM sales spike is required for people to stay in a job. I have shelves full of FR products, a HD full of my own stuff, an imagination that whisks me to the Realms in an eye blink and many friends who love the Realms as I do. I don't need WotC. But I do have plenty of disposable income. If they want some of that, then they know what they have to do.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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dazzlerdal
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United Kingdom
3294 Posts

Posted - 14 Apr 2017 :  11:17:15  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good to see im not the only one.

Ive decided to pay by the word for new FR lore produced by WoTC. This book gets zero pence from me

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Shadowsoul
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Ireland
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Posted - 14 Apr 2017 :  15:10:37  Show Profile Send Shadowsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I sat down at the shop and thumbed through the book and I wasn't impressed. You have all these adventures but no proper maps that you can use.

It's a shame that people still haven't learned that slapping nice special effects on a movie doesn't make it great.

“Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don't we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we're partisans of liberty, then it's our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can!”
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

USA
13455 Posts

Posted - 14 Apr 2017 :  18:59:12  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Schley isn't working on said maps already - the new 'model' seems to be to get artists to do the work 'for free', and then allow them to sell the maps themselves, privately.

When they started this trend, they still prvided the maps, but at a low resolution in the books themselves, which gave you the option of buying the 'better quality' one directly from the artist. Not sure if anything's changed in that regard, but if they are using less and less maps, thats not a good sign. I HATE anything "a'la carte", and would truly despise that sort of presentation for products moving forward.

At one time we had physical books coming out, and we'd get 'web enhancements' with additional content that wouldn't make it into the page count. Now, I wouldn't mind them doing something along those lines with monster stats, and what-not (and they've done that), just to allow for more 'meat' in the product itself, but it appears they may be moving in the opposite direction, 'padding' the products with stats and then selling us the maps. Not good. I hope this isn't the plan - getting us used to 'less for more'.

So George, what do you think "having to justify your existence" does to a person's ego?
I'm picturing a Hasbro 'bean-counter' dressed like Neegan right now...

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 14 Apr 2017 19:02:07
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