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Yslanderon
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Posted - 20 Oct 2017 :  22:15:27  Show Profile Send Yslanderon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi i'm new to the forum so not sure if it's the right place to ask this 2 questions, but here it goes:

1- Would Bhaal, in the Baldurs Gate saga games, choose a tiefling to mate; creating an offspring with both demonic and devine power? I ask this question because, i've decide to play Baldurs Gate Reloaded mod on NWN2 engine, and the tiefling race drew my attention this time. The problem of choosing this race, as i saw it, is that its lineage traces back to some big shot in the lower realms. So i'm not sure if said being would then, somehow, hold claim or control over the Bhaalspawn's devine legacy.

2- This one relates to the Mask of the Betrayer campaign from NWN2. The evil ending, has you taking control over the spirit eater curse, (with the help of Myrkul's essence that you devoured) and becoming a strange being, as Kelemvor put it: "a twisted mockery of a God". My question is what has the spirit eater become at this point? a demi-god? He exhibits god-like powers and can kill Gods as well. Some called him to be akin to an Elder Evil. At that point he can devour the spirit, the soul and the essence of anything, even Gods; at will.
https://youtu.be/YyJ6iheshZc?t=40

Also i can't help but to congratulate you, Ed, and all the others who have dedicated so much of their time to make FR what it is now. I've become of big fan of all the lore that it has, and even found myself (sometimes), giving in to that childish feeling that perhaps even a fraction of all those fantastic things... might actually exist.

"It was a plague so dangerous, a threat so grave, that it spread throughout the infinite of space and eternity of time almost effortlessly to infest the stars." - Unknown Historian

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sfdragon
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what is or are the League of Samathar. and for that amtter who is samathar?
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/504_DR

why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power


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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Oct 2017 :  04:23:26  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

what is or are the League of Samathar. and for that amtter who is samathar?
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/504_DR



The link answers the first question: "the rebellious cities of Wizards' Reach, now known as the the League of Samathar."

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 24 Oct 2017 :  23:41:42  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, dear Ed and THO (and anyone who can help me here).

I'm curious about how divination magic works in Abeir-Toril. I've already searched for a similar question in old scrolls but so far I've found nothing, so here we go.

When someone uses divination magic to predict the future, is she seeing into a "fixed timeline" to see set in stone future events (so, is something you cannot change unless you can alter the timeline), or is seeing just one possibility of stuff that can happen, with the more powerful diviners being able to "calculate" potential futures with more accuracy than your average level 1 wizard?

Thanks in advance!

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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Oct 2017 :  00:46:23  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Ed (and THO), I've been doing a bunch of 'divine' research as of late into RW mythology and folklore, and I found there was an 'errata' of sorts regarding the Celtic pantheon in the original Deities & Demigods in issue #65 of Dragon Magazine (one of the major things it changes is it makes Oghma more of a warrior-god, because supposedly, thats closer to the myths). I'm actually trying to build an extended Fey/Elven pantheon ATM.

But that not why I am here. After the article, the very next article in that same issue happens to be by a chap named Ed Greenwood, pertaining to laws and governments. And therein, you mention YOUR Forgotten Realms (as you've often done, prior to its purchase by TSR). So, I have a couple of geography questions from that -

1) You mention "The Imperial city of Waterdeep" - was that just you just trying to let the readers know 'its impressive', or was it really 'Imperial' (meaning, there was an empire attached to it) in YOUR Realms.

2)"Many types or structures of governments exist, some of them quite novel. DMs should also remember that the “king” of Aluphin may command mighty hosts of warriors and speak with authority backed by gods, whereas the “king” of the adjacent realm of Berdusk may be only a war leader whose rule extends as far as the swordpoints of his bodyguards." Berdusk we know is a real place (in the Realms), but what of Aluphin? Was there such a place, or was that just fabricated for the article?

3)You mention a city of 'Zeluthin' (which doesn't sound familiar to me, but I could be wrong) where they have a weird way of 'torturing' political prisoners (tying them to bars of the cell facing inward, etc.) Is Zeluthin in The Realms?

And one non-geography question - you mention the entire plot revolving around Doust Sulwood (and his sudden 'rise to power') - did anything ever come of the drow allying with Githyanki? I don't ever recall hearing about Githyanki in the Shadowdale region before. I have a feeling THO will be able to help with this one.

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Edited by - Markustay on 25 Oct 2017 00:49:09
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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Oct 2017 :  00:58:02  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

Hi, dear Ed and THO (and anyone who can help me here).

I'm curious about how divination magic works in Abeir-Toril. I've already searched for a similar question in old scrolls but so far I've found nothing, so here we go.

When someone uses divination magic to predict the future, is she seeing into a "fixed timeline" to see set in stone future events (so, is something you cannot change unless you can alter the timeline), or is seeing just one possibility of stuff that can happen, with the more powerful diviners being able to "calculate" potential futures with more accuracy than your average level 1 wizard?
I can help with this one somewhat. We KNOW FR's history has 'diverged' at least once (when the Elves cast THEIR Sundering), but that's not quite the same thing. It just lets us know "the world was one way, and now its a different way", which means the future is not fixed (unless we proscribe to Doctor Who's 'Fixed Points', and TSR's Chronomancer alludes to much the same thing - certain things you CAN'T change - the timeline will 'right itself', one way or another).

But much more importantly, there is a scene in one of the Haunted Lands novels (that I haven't gotten up to yet) where Szass Tam casts a powerful ritual to see multiple outcomes of the timeline - I think he was able to see five possible results, IIRC (recalling from conversations had YEARS ago, not from my recent reading). It was extremely 'taxing' for him to do so, and I believed it was explained that even his powerful mind could only handle seeing a few all at once.

And now that I think about it, the Red Wizards did something similar to the Tuigan - showed them two different possible 'futures' (but that may have just been illusions to fool the Tuigan).

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 25 Oct 2017 01:01:04
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 25 Oct 2017 :  10:07:00  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Ed, I have a question about the Zhentarim. From the start, the Zhentarim's reason for being is to move metal and ore from the Moonsea to the Sword Coast by the fastest route possible, and to bring Sword Coast goods back to the Moonsea and surrounding areas.

The second part, I understand completely. I'm a little more confused about the first part. Why is it less expensive to move Moonsea metals thousands of miles than to mine them locally? We're not talking about low-weight, high value things like spices here.

I'm assuming the Zhents are mostly concerned with the "classical" metals: gold, silver, copper, tin, lead, and iron. While I'm assuming the Moonsea also has most of the Realms' exotic metals (mithril, adamantine, arandur, etc.) and gemstones, I don't see those as major Zhent products; they'd want to use those for themselves.

The Zhent trade routes would make sense of the rest of Faerun was metal-poor, but it's the opposite. For instance, one of the major nodes of the Zhent trade route is Hill's Edge, which is itself a major iron mining and smithing center. In the North, where the Zhents are trying to trade out of Llorkh, you have cities that tend to either be founded on mines (Mirabar) or in former dwarf-holds with dwarf mines (Sundabar). And you have existing dwarf mines who export metals (Adbar).

Put all of that together and I don't see a large enough need for iron in the west to justify the Zhent trade routes. And while tin, copper, or lead might all be somewhat rare in the west, the profit margin on those would just be too small. And would the Zhents really be sending entire caravans thousands of miles loaded with nothing but gold and silver? That would make them the target of every dragon, not to say brigand, in the entire world.

I'm obviously missing something here. And since I've been running a game out of Hill's Edge for the past year or so, the inconsistency between what the Zhents are doing and my mental math is starting to bug me. Could you please shed some light on the subject? Many thanks, as always.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 25 Oct 2017 :  16:02:48  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

Hey Ed (and THO), I've been doing a bunch of 'divine' research as of late into RW mythology and folklore, and I found there was an 'errata' of sorts regarding the Celtic pantheon in the original Deities & Demigods in issue #65 of Dragon Magazine (one of the major things it changes is it makes Oghma more of a warrior-god, because supposedly, thats closer to the myths). I'm actually trying to build an extended Fey/Elven pantheon ATM.

But that not why I am here. After the article, the very next article in that same issue happens to be by a chap named Ed Greenwood, pertaining to laws and governments. And therein, you mention YOUR Forgotten Realms (as you've often done, prior to its purchase by TSR). So, I have a couple of geography questions from that -

1) You mention "The Imperial city of Waterdeep" - was that just you just trying to let the readers know 'its impressive', or was it really 'Imperial' (meaning, there was an empire attached to it) in YOUR Realms.

2)"Many types or structures of governments exist, some of them quite novel. DMs should also remember that the “king” of Aluphin may command mighty hosts of warriors and speak with authority backed by gods, whereas the “king” of the adjacent realm of Berdusk may be only a war leader whose rule extends as far as the swordpoints of his bodyguards." Berdusk we know is a real place (in the Realms), but what of Aluphin? Was there such a place, or was that just fabricated for the article?

3)You mention a city of 'Zeluthin' (which doesn't sound familiar to me, but I could be wrong) where they have a weird way of 'torturing' political prisoners (tying them to bars of the cell facing inward, etc.) Is Zeluthin in The Realms?

And one non-geography question - you mention the entire plot revolving around Doust Sulwood (and his sudden 'rise to power') - did anything ever come of the drow allying with Githyanki? I don't ever recall hearing about Githyanki in the Shadowdale region before. I have a feeling THO will be able to help with this one.



Ed sent me this a while ago when I queried him on the exact same article:

Zeluthin, Aluphin, and of course Berdusk were all in the Realms, an independent city and two tiny realms that dwindled into . . . just the independent city of Berdusk. They were all part of the many, many attempts to establish kingdoms in the interior Heartlands, kingdoms that seldom lasted long because of brigands, internal dissent, and persistent hobgoblin, bugbear, gnoll, orc, and goblin raids (which could really "go to town" on hard targets like realms with borders, uniformed defenders, and the like, instead of just raiding individual homesteads). Aluphin was a rival of Berdusk, and was nearby to the west of Berdusk, Berdusk the realm was centered on Berdusk the city and just shrank, and Zeluthin was to the northwest of both. All long-vanished now (I'll have to dredge up my notes, but I'm thinking they existed in the 1100s DR, flourished in the early 1200s DR, and were more or less down to their present state by the end of that century).

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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Oct 2017 :  09:52:33  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for that bit, George - I'll add that to my notes.

@Hoondatha - I certainly couldn't answer that (not that you want me to), but I can tell you this from everything I've learned from making maps: Quality of ore also means a lot. Now, I've read they have very good iron ore up around the Moonsea, but for some reason I have a hard time (as well) thinking the Zhents are pulling better ore out of their mines then the dwarves, who can dig MUCH deeper, and have been doing so for thousands of years.

We also have lore about the Iron Throne moving weapons in the opposite direction... you'd think some of those ore-hungry smiths would move out of The North and start making stuff in the weapon-hungry eastern heartlands instead. I don't think the problem is with the Zhents, I think the problem lies with FR having a lot of VERY stupid smiths all living on the wrong side of the desert.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 03 Nov 2017 :  01:56:40  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Ed and dear THO. I'm came here to bother you with another question

Is Aurora's Emporium still in operation in the 1480s? If yes, who runs in? Perhaps some Aurora's descendant? Or is still Aurora in charge, having survived the century a la Volo or Durnan?

Thanks in advance.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Nov 2017 :  03:21:38  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

Hi Ed and dear THO. I'm came here to bother you with another question

Is Aurora's Emporium still in operation in the 1480s? If yes, who runs in? Perhaps some Aurora's descendant? Or is still Aurora in charge, having survived the century a la Volo or Durnan?

Thanks in advance.



Her daughter Borealis runs it, now.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 03 Nov 2017 :  10:08:50  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This is canon in my Realms, now

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Markustay
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Actually - and don't quote me on this - I recall someone, who was at least somewhat official, saying Aurora herself was still alive, but quite old and tired.
I don't even know where or how I could have heard that - I don't even do the podcast thing, and don't bother with twitter. It may have even been in a dream (which is why I say don't quote me on it).

And as I just typed that, my brain flashed 'type', as in, 'you read this', but it is so vague I can't pinpoint it. If it wasn't in a dream, then it would have to be in only three 5e sources I own.

EDIT:
Okay, after checking the Wiki, I'm going to have to go with "it was in Shadowbane: Eye of Justice", which I just read recently. I hadn't even thought of that one - chalk one up for the FRwiki (and since its Kindle, I might even be able to run a search for the words... tomorrow).

EDIT2: Coudln't possibly tell you the pg.# on a Kindle, but it says I'm 65% through the book. Here's a relevant passage:
quote:
"Aurora", Ilira said."Far too long indeed."
They exchanged a kiss of greeting, although they did so without touching one another. Myrin thought this Aurora was well aware of Ilira's spellscar.
"Aurora, let me present Lady Myrin Darkdance."
"I am honored." The old woman gave the wizard a cool, appraising glance. Her face was a maze of wrinkles, leading to bright, shining eyes like jewels in the heart of the labyrinth. Myrin thought she was searching her features in minute detail.

This is circa 4e, so like post-1479 DR, or some-such. I forgot she actually makes a cameo in the book.

Hope that helps.

EDIT3:
Oh, and to answer your question ZeromaruX - that scene takes place IN Aurora's shop, I believe. Since I don't remember the characters ever leaving Westgate, I guess she personally manages the store in Westgate herself in the 4e/5e timeframe.

However, as an FR aficionado, I would say it is far more likely that she still 'moves about', from store to store, checking on things, and the characters just so happen to 'coincidentally' run into Aurora herself.

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Edited by - Markustay on 05 Nov 2017 05:50:09
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