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sleyvas
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Posted - 22 Nov 2016 :  14:11:23  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

One thing I didn't expect in the book was the trip to Abeir, which was really interesting, and cool.

I didn't realize that no gods, meant no weave, which meant magic limited to that which doesn't need the weave like Azuth's Staff, Gilgeams divine spark, Dawn Titans and they're Relics, innate magic like Dragonborn breath, and Caisys unique spellscar.

I think it would be a strange setting to explore more very different from its sister Toril.

In fact as strange as this sounds like I think Ashes of the Tyrant and The Devil You Know are likely the closest thing to a setting books as you'll get for 5e Old Empires and Abeir.




Whoa, they showed Abeir and discussed its magic.... hmmm, I may have some conflicts... I definitely need to read this now. I just started fire in the blood. I got way too much to read.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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Mirtek
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Posted - 26 Nov 2016 :  16:20:18  Show Profile Send Mirtek a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Finally finished it and sad the series is over now.

Yes, the ending felt a little rushed, but I had the same feeling with 95% of all FR trilogies. Almost as the author happily writes and writes and writes and then suddenly realized it's the last 10% of the third book, better wrap everything up.

One thing that bothered me a little was that after all the talk about how one can't rip the spark out of a deity without destroying her, they could hand over the spark of Nana-Sin quite easily.

And what about this immortal-but-not-divine ressurected Nana-Sin? What is he now? What exactly did they ressurect? The dead deity through the remains of his manifestation? Only the manifestation but cut of from the deity who is still on the outer planes? Is the true deity Nana-Sin even still alive somewhere on the outer planes or did he find some other demise long after losing his manifestation on Toril?

Edited by - Mirtek on 26 Nov 2016 16:21:24
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Irennan
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Posted - 26 Nov 2016 :  16:32:28  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can an Untheric/Mulhorandi manifestation survive without the deity herself backing it? To my understanding, it kinda works like an avatar, so if Nanna-Sin has his manifestation again, I suppose that they managed to resurrect the deity himself.

But then, they were able to survive on Toril by carrying a large part of the main deities' power before Ao took down the barrier, and the manifestations rejoined the main deities. And when a deity puts so much power into a single avatar, even if the main part of the deity is "dead", won't they essentially live through, or become, their avatar. What difference would there be at that point?

Or Perhaps they resurrected something akin to an incarnation of Nanna-Sin (as far as I can tell, an incarnation is effectively a separate mortal entity, although still deeply connected to the deity herself, and incarnations became non-divine after the ToT)?

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sleyvas
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Posted - 21 Jan 2017 :  22:44:26  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just started reading this two days ago between work, but I loved the fact that we're getting more details on Abeir throughout the book and a look at what happened with Unther. Its modifying some of what I had planned for the area, but not necessarily for the worse. I would like to note certain things though as a kind of way to update the area.

1st, there was still a division between the Mulhorandi and the Untherans within Abeir (i.e. they did not join in some kind of "Mulan" movement). The Untherans were treated as slaves by the Mulhorandi. This is slightly different from the view we have of the Mulhorandi who have returned and abolished slavery represented in the SCAG.

2nd, the Mulhorandi were in either an alliance or subservient to the genasi realm of Shyr. The question of whether the Chosen beings that are with them now as noted in the SCAG were with them in Abeir unclear at the point where I am in the book right now (and I suspect won't be made more clear). My suspicion would be that some former incarnations of the deities (and remember, prior to the ToT, multiple incarnations of a given deity existed at the same time amongst the royal families) in Abeir were re-invested with the power of incarnations while in Abeir, and eventually they enacted a ritual that pulled down the manifestations of the gods again but into the flesh of one of their incarnations.

3rd, Gilgeam is in cahoots with the demon prince Graz'zt somehow. He has several Goristro (the bull men), plus other more minor demons.

Gonna finish reading other peoples notes in this thread, in case there's more than just wondering about the product line.

Also, on the Abeir side. Where Arush Vayem is is the crystalline corpse of Petron (a dawn titan), where Greenfields is is paraphrasing "pit that reaches down into the heart of the plane, where a song that never ends repeatedly echoes" and in the corresponding area to the plains of central Tymanther is a "stone tower that none dare breach".

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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sleyvas
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Posted - 21 Jan 2017 :  22:52:23  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, and I'm still only partway through the books, but I'm half wondering something on the weave not working. An argument could be made (and I will do so) that with the spellplague affecting both worlds that portions of Abeir MIGHT be in contact with the weave. In fact, any lands transferred there might still be capable of arcane magic. Granted, the magic may need to be relearned or something like what happened after the spellplague (personally, I'm working on something which would mean it possibly worked better in Abeir than it did in Toril following the spellplague). Similarly, since we saw primordials show up in Toril, the divine may have also been involved in Abeir.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Markustay
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Posted - 09 Apr 2018 :  19:30:51  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not sure where the best place to ask this was, but someone had sent me the map from one of her books of the Ash Lake region, and I need to know a few things, like, what exactly are these (settlements or ruins?) and if settlements, what exact size?

Arush Vayem (which has a '?' next to it on the map)
Djerad Thymer
Djerad Kethendi
Arush Ashuak

Firetrees (now a ruin) was left off the map (it should have definitely been on there), and I think both Red Haven and Ssintar should have been as well (there is some weirdness up in the north there - the Methwood is showing a bit too far south, so either the map has some 'warpage' (which I am assuming not right now), or that forest has grown (I note several others - especially in this region - have done so).

I think I am going to have to buy her novels. I swore-off reading any more FR novels since 4e, and although I've already made a few exceptions, I am not 100% happy I did so (sot that the books were bad, they were just extremely depressing... and talked about a 'setting' I had no interest in).

I'll probably post a 'map snippet' of this small area as soon as I know what these are, because I am extremely happy with how it came out (the map actually worked perfectly when rotated with north 'up'). Its the first time I've been happy with the Ash and Lance Lakes since I was introduced to them. I haven't being doing the 'snippet' thing in quite some time, but I'd kind of like Erin's approval on this (since I DID meet her at Gencon 2012, although I doubt she remembers me... I was the very large fellow that Brian James was hanging with LOL).

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 09 Apr 2018 19:32:13
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Apr 2018 :  20:12:02  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've heard only good things about those books, myself. I've only read one, though, and it was the one that was part of the Sundering series. Perhaps because I wasn't familiar with the characters and their backstory, the book did not grab me.

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