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Moonharp
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  04:06:02  Show Profile  Visit Moonharp's Homepage Send Moonharp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
HAHAHA!

I guess you are right... Fearun has suffered enough already. Though that is a paradox in the Realms (as well as Earth) - intelligent beings do so much more damage than nature - and it should be otherwise, considering the physical power of humans and the physical power of nature... ok, flew off my philosophical hook a bit too much - apologies.

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hammer of Moradin
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  04:06:55  Show Profile  Visit hammer of Moradin's Homepage Send hammer of Moradin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think even natural disasters would be attributed to one of the gods. Earthquakes would be Moradin's wrath, floods Umberlee being her usual b*@#$ self, etc.
Would there be such a thing as a natural disaster with some god having the portfolio for whatever the disaster may be?

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Moonharp
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  04:15:14  Show Profile  Visit Moonharp's Homepage Send Moonharp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hammer of Moradin

I think even natural disasters would be attributed to one of the gods. Earthquakes would be Moradin's wrath, floods Umberlee being her usual b*@#$ self, etc.
Would there be such a thing as a natural disaster with some god having the portfolio for whatever the disaster may be?



Good point... I guess everything is controlled by deities. I was thinking that deities controlled the common-place things... like storms, etc... but now I see that they might have power and control even over things such as meteorites. But then, which god in particular would control a meteorite ? Perhaps Ao himselft might, if he got angry at the gods and wanted to destroy one of their toy worlds...

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  05:18:29  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moonharp

quote:
Originally posted by hammer of Moradin

I think even natural disasters would be attributed to one of the gods. Earthquakes would be Moradin's wrath, floods Umberlee being her usual b*@#$ self, etc.
Would there be such a thing as a natural disaster with some god having the portfolio for whatever the disaster may be?



Good point... I guess everything is controlled by deities. I was thinking that deities controlled the common-place things... like storms, etc... but now I see that they might have power and control even over things such as meteorites. But then, which god in particular would control a meteorite ? Perhaps Ao himselft might, if he got angry at the gods and wanted to destroy one of their toy worlds...



Well, I seem to recall hearing about this other world where the gods got tweaked at the people and chucked an entire "fiery mountain" down on them, seriously reshaping an entire continent. But maybe that was just a rumor.

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, I seem to recall hearing about this other world where the gods got tweaked at the people and chucked an entire "fiery mountain" down on them, seriously reshaping an entire continent. But maybe that was just a rumor.


Doesn't that world start with a K and end or with N... Or start's with a D and ends with a E. :)

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The Sage
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  13:24:52  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, I seem to recall hearing about this other world where the gods got tweaked at the people and chucked an entire "fiery mountain" down on them, seriously reshaping an entire continent. But maybe that was just a rumor.

It wasn't "the gods", but rather "a god's" decision to punish the hubris of the inhabitants of Krynn.

And the gods weren't "tweaked"... they simply sought to teach the people of Krynn a very important lesson... Which, taken in retrospect to the difficulties that were to come, was actually a good thing. But, this is a discussion for another forum...

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  17:41:42  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hammer of Moradin

I think even natural disasters would be attributed to one of the gods. Earthquakes would be Moradin's wrath, floods Umberlee being her usual b*@#$ self, etc.
Would there be such a thing as a natural disaster with some god having the portfolio for whatever the disaster may be?



As has been said, there's enough awful stuff going on that the natural disasters don't always get their mention on timelines and the like. I know I put a bunch of them in timelines for LOI and EoSS but also linked them (or blamed them) on godly actions (i.e. Umberlee's wrath instead of just tidal waves, though I don't recall if I blamed a god for wiping out Velen back in the day.....).

Even so, yes, there ought to be more mention of droughts and floods and earthquakes and the like. There might even be more peasants and lords alike that'll just take them in stride as nature's way. HOwever, there will always be a lot of proselytizers trying to convince them that the disaster was God X's wrath unless they become faithful and donate to the church, etc. Also, looking at human nature, people want someone/something to blame for their ills, and if the church of Bane (either overtly or covertly) tells them that Cyric or Tempus is to blame, guess how many people will do so?

One of the things I miss was how important weather could be to game campaigns. My gamers and I absorbed the 1st edition Wilderness Guide by Kim Mohan and forever after, guarding caravans wasn't as easy as it once was (and goblins learned that attacking during a blizzard vastly improved their chances of both surviving and getting away with loot). I know that weather (at least in supplements like Silver Marches) is a factor again, but it's not always remembered as often as it could be. (And yes, I'm just as guilty an author for not always remembering it--so add +15 to the DC of climbing down inside the ruins of Hellgate Keep if it's raining, okay kids? )

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Kuje
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  17:44:07  Show Profile Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
It wasn't "the gods", but rather "a god's" decision to punish the hubris of the inhabitants of Krynn.

And the gods weren't "tweaked"... they simply sought to teach the people of Krynn a very important lesson... Which, taken in retrospect to the difficulties that were to come, was actually a good thing. But, this is a discussion for another forum...


This series says otherwise. It has a lot of scenes about the commands and talks ALL of the gods had when they all held council about the King Priest.

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Alaundo
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Posted - 30 Aug 2004 :  18:51:27  Show Profile  Visit Alaundo's Homepage Send Alaundo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
It wasn't "the gods", but rather "a god's" decision to punish the hubris of the inhabitants of Krynn.

And the gods weren't "tweaked"... they simply sought to teach the people of Krynn a very important lesson... Which, taken in retrospect to the difficulties that were to come, was actually a good thing. But, this is a discussion for another forum...


This series says otherwise. It has a lot of scenes about the commands and talk ALL of the gods had when they all held council about the King Priest.

Chosen of the Gods by Chris Pierson
Divine Hammer by Chris Pierson
Sacred Fire by Chris Pierson



Well met

AHEM kuje31, Sage, ye should know better Off to Worlds with ye! I won't hear of this....this..Krynn place anymore herein!

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The Sage
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Posted - 31 Aug 2004 :  02:52:28  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31

quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
It wasn't "the gods", but rather "a god's" decision to punish the hubris of the inhabitants of Krynn.

And the gods weren't "tweaked"... they simply sought to teach the people of Krynn a very important lesson... Which, taken in retrospect to the difficulties that were to come, was actually a good thing. But, this is a discussion for another forum...


This series says otherwise. It has a lot of scenes about the commands and talk ALL of the gods had when they all held council about the King Priest.

Chosen of the Gods by Chris Pierson
Divine Hammer by Chris Pierson
Sacred Fire by Chris Pierson

Ah...

Thank you for the clarification friend Kuje . I have yet to read the Kingpriest trilogy myself, so I'm glad to see that the events leading up to the decision regarding the Cataclysm appears to have now been properly explored in story.



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I apologise O Master Sage...

Think nothing more of it...

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George Krashos
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This one's for Steven:

Having recently returned to the LOI boxed set for a few mini-projects I'm working on, I was wondering whether you ever fleshed out the monarchs of Amn?

We have the first, Esmel and four or so Imnels of the Torlath Dynasty. Then we have Dhanar of the Parhek Dynasty, last of the real Amnian kings. Got anymore tucked away in those copious notes of yours?

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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author

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Posted - 01 Sep 2004 :  16:13:02  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

This one's for Steven:

Having recently returned to the LOI boxed set for a few mini-projects I'm working on, I was wondering whether you ever fleshed out the monarchs of Amn?

We have the first, Esmel and four or so Imnels of the Torlath Dynasty. Then we have Dhanar of the Parhek Dynasty, last of the real Amnian kings. Got anymore tucked away in those copious notes of yours?

-- George Krashos




No time right now (as I've got to dash to the chiropractor to fix my back), but let's talk this out in emails and then we can return with a complete work later, eh?

Off the top of my head, I may not have many notes on the monarchs of Amn, but I've simply got to get my head back into the material to blow out the cobwebs and restitch half-thoughts into full ones.

Steven
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jameslt0
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Posted - 03 Sep 2004 :  03:38:11  Show Profile  Visit jameslt0's Homepage Send jameslt0 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know that there is book for Forgotten Realms called Lords of Darkness which details evil organizations in the Realms. I was wondering, will there be book that details good organizations, like Harpers and Knights of Myth Drannor?

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SiriusBlack
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
No time right now (as I've got to dash to the chiropractor to fix my back),



Take care of yourself. No FR designer past or present is allowed to have bad health. It might interfere with them writing or sharing future Realms lore.

Be safe.

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Melfius
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 :  04:11:33  Show Profile  Visit Melfius's Homepage Send Melfius a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I hope all is well with your back, Mr Schend. I myself suffer from back issues, and know what a disruption it can be. OUCH!

Anyways, my question, and it is a small one, is: What is the current status of Gemidan, that rascally young prodigy who was under the tutelidge of Khelban?

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Steven Schend
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 :  05:02:14  Show Profile  Visit Steven Schend's Homepage Send Steven Schend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Melfius

I hope all is well with your back, Mr Schend. I myself suffer from back issues, and know what a disruption it can be. OUCH!

Anyways, my question, and it is a small one, is: What is the current status of Gemidan, that rascally young prodigy who was under the tutelidge of Khelban?



Gemidan is, to be sure, a few years older and quite possibly a little wiser and more experienced. Can't recall the time frames of COS, but we can probably guess that he's hitting puberty with all its attendant growth spurts, voice changes, acne problems, and social difficulties with whatever gender he deems attractive.

Beyond that, I've no idea. In my current mood, I'd say the Arcane Brotherhood sent back his bracers (with hands still in them) back to Blackstaff Tower with a note saying "Send larger apprentices next time."

Honestly, Gemidan's not one of my better ideas and thus he'll remain on the pile of concepts left open to GMs everywhere to do what they will with him. Have fun, and apologies for not having more direction than this.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 17 Dec 2004 :  05:42:33  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend

Honestly, Gemidan's not one of my better ideas and thus he'll remain on the pile of concepts left open to GMs everywhere to do what they will with him. Have fun, and apologies for not having more direction than this.

Steven



I'll spare friend Steven some typing... He'd expressed his sentiments about Gemidan in the past, and I one day asked him about it. His response:

quote:
My only real answer as to why I'm not as enamored with Gemidan as I once was is simply age. I'm 12 years older than when I wrote City of Splendors, and the idea just doesn't appeal to me as much. He's far too many exceptions to the norm (prodigy at young age, apprentice to Khelben, adventurer without supervision, etc.) and the idea becomes too "twee" for me now. <shrug> He's still an interesting character, but I'd have to find a lot of things to do to/with him before he'd interest me greatly again.

The initial concept was to surprise Khelben and challenge him, as he barely has the patience to deal with young adults, let alone children; this is true at least publicly and in the context of his teaching students; some nobles have learned that one of the few ways to pry even the smallest of secrets out of the Lord Mage of Waterdeep is to send their smallest child toddling over to ask innocent questions of him while he smolders in the corner at a nobles' revel he could not avoid. Granted, Khelben is aware of this, and rarely tips his hand truly, but while every adult is rightfully afraid of his presence, he takes care not to terrify the young (or at least not until they are old enough to understand their own actions and queries).

For the character himself, I envisioned him as a prodigy and a huge pain in the ass for everyone--Dennis the Menace with magic, for all intents and purposes. He'd be the classic look-before-you-leap hero and those with whom he adventures spend more time getting him out of scrapes than actually planning things. In short, he was a goofy little idea that could be fun in short spurts within a game, but over time, the idea just comes off as "game bits of humor" rather than solid world-building and real character creation. If he works within the scope of your campaign, by all means use him. I'm just not attached to him any longer.

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George Krashos
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We'll no doubt get to see a more grown up Gemidan in Eric's upcoming Waterdeep product.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

We'll no doubt get to see a more grown up Gemidan in Eric's upcoming Waterdeep product.

-- George Krashos




That would be cool... Steven may have lost his interest in Gemidan, but I liked the character concept. It'd be nice to see if the kid is still around, and what he's doing now.

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Melfius
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Same here, Wooly. For all we know, he could be one of the new CHosen Ed has been hinting around about these past few years.

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Evro
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Most knowledgeable Sages,

A similar query was posted years back on the FR Mailing List a couple of times with no responses, and I'm hoping that with years having passed, and more poring over old tomes having been done, that I might find success within these exalted halls of knowledge.

My campaign is focused on the area around the Delimbiyr Crescent, including the High Forest, up to the Fallen Lands and down to Evereska.

Now, as I recall it having been said after its release, if something is on the FR Interactive Atlas, it came from some source material somewhere--no one just plopped in random names of places to fill it out.

This having been said, I've suffered from a severe lack of luck in finding any lore on several places shown on the map, and hope for some folks willing to dig deep and give me some direction.

Courtoun, in the Southwood
Rrinlurgh, in the Graypeaks(I can't find a single mention of either of these anywhere)

Highluthholt, in the Southwood(I found one brief mention in a FR timeline which spoke to an attack of Wyverns on the temple of Mielikki there)

Westdelve, near the Shining Falls(As I recall, the only mention I found on this one was in Dwarves Deep, which was a one-liner about the dwarves there poling passengers up past the falls)

Lastly, a place not listed on the map. In my poor, abused, dogeared copy of the 2e Cloak and Dagger, on page 28, it makes mention of the village of Parnast, on the Dawn Pass Trail by Weathercote and Graypeaks as a location of a Tel'Teukiira agent. I've never seen a mention anywhere else about this little village, and have always been curious as to where that came from, or if indeed it was simply plucked out of nothingness and laid down on the page.

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quote:
Originally posted by Evro

I've suffered from a severe lack of luck in finding any lore on several places shown on the map, and hope for some folks willing to dig deep and give me some direction.

I have PDFs of almost all the old 1E/2E FR products, and I performed a search for each of the following terms. This is far from exhaustive, though; some of the locations showing up on the FR Atlas maps came from old Polyhedron articles, Dragon articles, etc., so don't assume that just because I didn't find them that they aren't to be found. Sorry I wasn't more help.

Courtoun, in the Southwood -- nothing.

Rrinlurgh, in the Graypeaks(I can't find a single mention of either of these anywhere) -- nothing.

Highluthholt, in the Southwood(I found one brief mention in a FR timeline which spoke to an attack of Wyverns on the temple of Mielikki there) -- Prayers from the Faithful, pg. 118, bottom of 1st column, brief mention of it as a temple to Mielikki several days' east of Secomber.

Westdelve, near the Shining Falls(As I recall, the only mention I found on this one was in Dwarves Deep, which was a one-liner about the dwarves there poling passengers up past the falls) -- nothing.

Lastly, a place not listed on the map. In my poor, abused, dogeared copy of the 2e Cloak and Dagger, on page 28, it makes mention of the village of Parnast, on the Dawn Pass Trail by Weathercote and Graypeaks as a location of a Tel'Teukiira agent. I've never seen a mention anywhere else about this little village, and have always been curious as to where that came from, or if indeed it was simply plucked out of nothingness and laid down on the page. -- nothing.

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Murray Leeder
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Parnast figures in the novel The Nether Scroll. I toss it a reference in my novel Son of thunder, some of which takes place in Llorkh and its immediate environs.
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George Krashos
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You have all the information currently available on Parnast (as Murray noted: from "The Nether Scroll" by Lynn Abbey), Highluthholt (from "Prayers From the Faithful" - Mielikki write-up) and Westdelve (FR11 "Dwarves Deep" - Ammarindar write-up and Dragon #228 - Ed's "Athalantar" article).

As for the other two, I'll check my notes re the FR Atlas revision and get back to you.

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Evro
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Outstanding. Thanks so much gentlemen.

George, if you found the references for the other two, my wife would surely put you on the Christmas card list since I'll be able to start sleeping again.
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