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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 27 Aug 2016 :  13:08:01  Show Profile Send Shadowsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
You would think with a new adventure out people would be talking about it. I haven't seen much about it to be honest. I have seen they brought the Tressym back.

Anyone have the adventure?

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Gyor
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Nope, I have no interest in buying the adventures until we have a proper FRCG,it putting the cart before the horse as far I'm concerned.
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 27 Aug 2016 :  15:07:02  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Its 5e so its on my embargo list. It contains no lore so i dont want it

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Aug 2016 :  15:20:02  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I didn't know it was out. I've not been to the Wizards site in months.

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KanzenAU
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Posted - 27 Aug 2016 :  16:35:44  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not out here yet, looking forward to it!

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Irennan
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I've just checked WotC's site. It comes out on the 6th of September, so it isn't out yet. I've heard that Ed had a hand in this, so I might pick it up, to see if there's any good lore.

Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things.

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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Its 5e so its on my embargo list. It contains no lore so i dont want it



From what I understand it contains alot of lore, its very sandboxy from what I've heard.
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Gary Dallison
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Okay i shall refine my statement and say that it has no lore i can use.

Its the wrong century for starters.

Suddenly there is a ruler of all giant kind again. Despite the giants themselves having split and fought amongst themselves for millenia and have no realms left. They are spread thin across massive areas. How do you rule a people like that. I bet he isnt even called a Paramount.

I hear the timeline is wonky and doesnt match up with the 5 adventures they have published so far. They only have 5 for fs sake, how could they not be bothered to check for consistency.

I dont even want to know when the uthgardt made giants their hated enemy. It has always been the orcs for the uthgardt but suddenly in 5e the two are best buds.

Its just more cult of kewl stuff and i dont even want to sully my eyes by reading it.

Oh dear i appear to have ranted again. Sorry

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Irennan
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

Its 5e so its on my embargo list. It contains no lore so i dont want it



From what I understand it contains alot of lore, its very sandboxy from what I've heard.



I hope that's true, and if Ed's involved then it should be. However, PotA was sandboxy and had very little lore.

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Wooly Rupert
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I get really, really tired of seeing new products dismissed and called useless before they're even out.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 28 Aug 2016 :  09:47:49  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think 4 previous adventures is enough to see which way the wind blows. They might make decent adventures, but they make rubbish realms supplements.

There is almost no lore in each adventure and no continuity between any lore (prior edition or current).

I dont have to watch jaws 5 to say that i wont like it because it will probably be rubbish. Jaws 2 to 4 were rubbish so jaws 5 is also likely to be.

If im wrong then brilliant, ill go and buy the adventure and enjoy reading it, but i predict it will be more of the same so i have no interest in it until it is proven to be different. (Plus the reviews of leaked copies suggest it is more of the same).

Just my opinion of course, but thats what the thread was asking for (why is no one interested?)

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Aug 2016 :  15:38:45  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just because some supplements were crap doesn't mean they all will be -- if you base future performance solely on past performance, then everything Realms should be awesome, because there was a lot of really awesome stuff in 2E.

What I find irksome is prejudging something without even bothering to look at it. With your stated attitude towards this and almost any other new Realms material, this could be the most awesome supplement written in the history of ever, and you'd still pan it without ever looking at it.

If you look at it and then decide to say it's crap, fine, no problem. But when people are looking for informed opinions and you go spouting off "I don't need to look at it to know it sucks!" that's not offering an informed opinion, and it's not helping anyone else out. It's just kneejerk and pointless negativity for the sake of negativity. It's something we saw all too much of when the edition wars were raging and people couldn't discuss what they liked without someone coming in to tell them how wrong they were.

We don't need that kind of negativity.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 28 Aug 2016 :  17:07:39  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welk if i see it ill peruse it and let you know if my opinion changes.


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KanzenAU
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Getting more and more excited for this release. Listened to the main D&D podcast, where it's said to describe about 500 locations throughout the North. Checkout this io9 preview which shows some of the stuff in the book.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/an-inside-look-at-dungeons-dragons-new-giant-filled-a-1786097644
It sounds like this has the potential to not just be an adventure, but also contain enough descriptive material on the North to really get a campaign going.

Edit: forgot to include the link.

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moonbeast
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quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I think 4 previous adventures is enough to see which way the wind blows. They might make decent adventures, but they make rubbish realms supplements.




Ummm, WotC never promised that those (last 4) supplements were marketed as "lore books". They are adventures. First and foremost, they are adventure campaigns. If they also contain a bit of lore, then that's a plus. Don't hate on the adventure books for doing what they are supposed to do…. BE adventure books.

I understand that you are disappointed there is little in the way of LORE supplements so far (SCAG being the first in 5e). But don't dump on all the adventure books for being adventure books. At least one of them, Curse of Strahd released earlier this year, has gotten very positive reviews. I have the damn thing, and it has very solid production values. It even contains a POSTER MAP of the awesome Castle Ravenloft, which is a huge bonus.

For all your negativity, do you even bother to fill out those MONTHLY survey/feedback that WotC has been doing? They have been doing this for months, the purpose is to see what content Players want with future 5th Edition books. What classes need work or revision. What sub-classes (like prestige classes) would you like to see in future supplement. What new feats would you like to see introduced (re-introduced), etc. I think one of the first Surveys (well over a year ago) asked which of the Campaign Settings we would like to see supplements for? Forgotten Realms versus Eberron vs Greyhawk vs Whatever. You can bet that I voted on that poll!

At the end of every survey, there is a Comment box and you can write in exactly what else you would like that the month's Survey did not cover.

I have been participating in such Survey, rather than stewing in negativity.


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Gary Dallison
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No wallowing or stewing has occured. He asked why no one is talking about it and ive said im not talking about this new adventure because i didnt like the last 4 adventures and i think this will be more of the same.

I want interesting lore and so far have gotten little to none.

So ive spent my time making a new rulesystem (i dont like 5e either) and writing my own lore. It may or may not be as good in the opinion of others but it keeps me happy.

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Ayrik
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So "no one is discussing SKT" because it just doesn't look interesting, promising, or relevant, lol? It seems few (if any) of us are interested in 5E, in products which lack Realmslore (let alone in products which contain "bad" or offensive Realmslore), or in being buying more disappointments from Wizbro.

Too little, too late, too much, too often, and too many alternatives. No longer interested whether Ed is involved or not. It's a wonder Wizbro hasn't figured it out yet, lol.

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eeorey
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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

So "no one is discussing SKT" because it just doesn't look interesting, promising, or relevant, lol? It seems few (if any) of us are interested in 5E, in products which lack Realmslore (let alone in products which contain "bad" or offensive Realmslore), or in being buying more disappointments from Wizbro.

Too little, too late, too much, too often, and too many alternatives. No longer interested whether Ed is involved or not. It's a wonder Wizbro hasn't figured it out yet, lol.



It honestly surprised me how little I cared, and that makes me a little sad. A part of me really hopes that after it's out I'll open up this page and see everybody saying how surprisingly amazing it is and how it answers so many questions, how it's what's been missing. But the rest of me know that this part of me is full of... well, like I said I'm now a little sad. At least I'm looking forward to "The Devil you know", hopefully next year's going to be better than this one.
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Shadowsoul
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quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I think 4 previous adventures is enough to see which way the wind blows. They might make decent adventures, but they make rubbish realms supplements.




Ummm, WotC never promised that those (last 4) supplements were marketed as "lore books". They are adventures. First and foremost, they are adventure campaigns. If they also contain a bit of lore, then that's a plus. Don't hate on the adventure books for doing what they are supposed to do…. BE adventure books.

I understand that you are disappointed there is little in the way of LORE supplements so far (SCAG being the first in 5e). But don't dump on all the adventure books for being adventure books. At least one of them, Curse of Strahd released earlier this year, has gotten very positive reviews. I have the damn thing, and it has very solid production values. It even contains a POSTER MAP of the awesome Castle Ravenloft, which is a huge bonus.

For all your negativity, do you even bother to fill out those MONTHLY survey/feedback that WotC has been doing? They have been doing this for months, the purpose is to see what content Players want with future 5th Edition books. What classes need work or revision. What sub-classes (like prestige classes) would you like to see in future supplement. What new feats would you like to see introduced (re-introduced), etc. I think one of the first Surveys (well over a year ago) asked which of the Campaign Settings we would like to see supplements for? Forgotten Realms versus Eberron vs Greyhawk vs Whatever. You can bet that I voted on that poll!

At the end of every survey, there is a Comment box and you can write in exactly what else you would like that the month's Survey did not cover.

I have been participating in such Survey, rather than stewing in negativity.






I hope you realize the survey's mean nothing. They are just a marketing tool that creates the illusion that the people are voting for what they want. Since there is no physical way we can ever know what the true results are we have to take a mega corps word for it. Bright, shiny, and high production do not equal good when it comes to adventures. I own them all as well and I can tell you they are mediocre at best.

The problem is Chris Perkins. He is not as good as he thinks he is and keeps coming out with these adventures that seem good to new gamers because they don't really know any different. I get tired of the "negativity" word getting thrown around everytime you don't want to take that step off the cliff like the other sheep. Change happens when people voice the things they don't like. If you like the new stuff then off you go. I personally do not so I will voice my opinion however I feel I need to and I say the same for others.

I get tired of all the positivity for crap products.

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KanzenAU
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quote:

The problem is Chris Perkins. He is not as good as he thinks he is and keeps coming out with these adventures that seem good to new gamers because they don't really know any different. I get tired of the "negativity" word getting thrown around everytime you don't want to take that step off the cliff like the other sheep. Change happens when people voice the things they don't like. If you like the new stuff then off you go. I personally do not so I will voice my opinion however I feel I need to and I say the same for others.

I get tired of all the positivity for crap products.



Curse of Strahd won a Gold Ennie for best adventure, and was almost entirely Perkins written...

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deserk
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I gotta say it really sucks how FR is in a state of purgatory where hardly anything save for a little adventure book gets published once a year, especially when compared with how much content Paizo publishes for it's Golarion setting
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quote:
Originally posted by KanzenAU


quote:

The problem is Chris Perkins. He is not as good as he thinks he is and keeps coming out with these adventures that seem good to new gamers because they don't really know any different. I get tired of the "negativity" word getting thrown around everytime you don't want to take that step off the cliff like the other sheep. Change happens when people voice the things they don't like. If you like the new stuff then off you go. I personally do not so I will voice my opinion however I feel I need to and I say the same for others.

I get tired of all the positivity for crap products.



Curse of Strahd won a Gold Ennie for best adventure, and was almost entirely Perkins written...



Well let's look at a few things.

1: Ennies don't set the gold standard.

2: It was mostly done by Weis and Hickman.

3: It was the newest adventure out.

4: What exactly was it up against? ( Not much)

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KanzenAU
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Fair enough if you played it and didn't like it. I haven't so I can't really say. I've only heard good things except from you though. I'm pretty sure Perkins wrote the whole thing with some broad stroke consulting from Hickman. The other three 5e adventures were all outsourced as far as I'm aware, and people liked Curse of Strahd the most.

All that said it sounds like you have good reasons for being so upset. There are definitely quite a few people on this forum that share your views, and are disappointed with everything being put out. All I can say is that I'm really enjoying play at the table, and so are my friends. We do have to mine past products for good FR lore though, which is unfortunate. I'm hopeful that SKT will include a bit more than usual, but we'll just have to see!

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Immortalis
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I hate to say it but purgatory sounds like keeping hold of the rights with minimum of work. Ive seen lots of places that if FR products are released the it revors back to Mr Greenwood. It may explain why the setting is used in the core books but doesnt really say much on the realms.

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Gyor
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I don't have it. But I do hear its pretty lore intensive when it comes to the North.
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Gyor
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quote:
Originally posted by moonbeast

quote:
Originally posted by dazzlerdal

I think 4 previous adventures is enough to see which way the wind blows. They might make decent adventures, but they make rubbish realms supplements.




Ummm, WotC never promised that those (last 4) supplements were marketed as "lore books". They are adventures. First and foremost, they are adventure campaigns. If they also contain a bit of lore, then that's a plus. Don't hate on the adventure books for doing what they are supposed to do…. BE adventure books.

I understand that you are disappointed there is little in the way of LORE supplements so far (SCAG being the first in 5e). But don't dump on all the adventure books for being adventure books. At least one of them, Curse of Strahd released earlier this year, has gotten very positive reviews. I have the damn thing, and it has very solid production values. It even contains a POSTER MAP of the awesome Castle Ravenloft, which is a huge bonus.

For all your negativity, do you even bother to fill out those MONTHLY survey/feedback that WotC has been doing? They have been doing this for months, the purpose is to see what content Players want with future 5th Edition books. What classes need work or revision. What sub-classes (like prestige classes) would you like to see in future supplement. What new feats would you like to see introduced (re-introduced), etc. I think one of the first Surveys (well over a year ago) asked which of the Campaign Settings we would like to see supplements for? Forgotten Realms versus Eberron vs Greyhawk vs Whatever. You can bet that I voted on that poll!

At the end of every survey, there is a Comment box and you can write in exactly what else you would like that the month's Survey did not cover.

I have been participating in such Survey, rather than stewing in negativity.






I've heard a detailed description of the book and it sounds extremely detailed.
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quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

You would think with a new adventure out people would be talking about it. I haven't seen much about it to be honest. I have seen they brought the Tressym back.

Anyone have the adventure?




I have not, but just storyline wise, it stood out as odd to me to use giants now. I think they should have started with the giants, and saved Out of the Abyss for later. Once you have defeated demon princes and rampaging dragons, giants are pretty anti-climactic.
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quote:
Originally posted by KanzenAU

Not out here yet, looking forward to it!


According to Amazon it will be released on 6 Sep 16.

Just waiting for it to ship to me!




John

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froglegg
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Just because some supplements were crap doesn't mean they all will be -- if you base future performance solely on past performance, then everything Realms should be awesome, because there was a lot of really awesome stuff in 2E.

What I find irksome is prejudging something without even bothering to look at it. With your stated attitude towards this and almost any other new Realms material, this could be the most awesome supplement written in the history of ever, and you'd still pan it without ever looking at it.

If you look at it and then decide to say it's crap, fine, no problem. But when people are looking for informed opinions and you go spouting off "I don't need to look at it to know it sucks!" that's not offering an informed opinion, and it's not helping anyone else out. It's just kneejerk and pointless negativity for the sake of negativity. It's something we saw all too much of when the edition wars were raging and people couldn't discuss what they liked without someone coming in to tell them how wrong they were.

We don't need that kind of negativity.


AMEN!
And Ed has his hand in the pot too, Traces origins back to the earliest days of the Realms.
Greenwood created the villain.




John

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moonbeast
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It ships Sep 6 from Amazon, so that's tomorrow. I pre-ordered mine. I seem to be in good company, as several others here have already done so.
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Got SKT yesterday, and put a pre-order in for Volo's Guide to Monsters when it comes out in November.

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