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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2016 :  03:57:35  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
So tonight, we were doing characters for a new Pathfinder campaign. I decided to do a human monk. (I wanted to play a nkosi, from the Southlands book, but the DM nixed that idea)

Then I realized that I've made four Pathfinder characters, two of which were meant to be front-line combatants -- and none of them has had anything heavier than leather armor.

On the way home, I was musing on this, and then realized that no character that I've played for more than one or two sessions has worn any kind of heavy armor. Few of them have had even medium armor...

It's not a deliberate thing. I've made more armored characters, but those campaign attempts always fizzled out after a session or two.

And my biggest, strongest front-line fighter -- my 2E minotaur -- didn't have heavy armor for a couple of reasons. When I first created him, he couldn't afford armor that was better than the AC he naturally had. By the time he could afford better armor, he was rocking the bracers of defense, and armor was thus moot.

So it's not been intentional, but my characters are always relatively unprotected by armor.

And so I put forth the question: what is it, either intentional or unintentional, that has been common for all or most of your characters?

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Cards77
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I always end up making DEX based everything - fighter, rogue, ranger, barbarian. I don't know why I do it, probably because I build what I know best. I likewise never end up in heavy armor. Mobility is a premium, and I can't stand armor check penalties. Since Clerics no longer have heavy armor, the only time I WOULD consider heavy armor is out.
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Apparently I make sexy, sultry vixens 99% of the time, when I get the rare opportunity to play as it is. I didn't really notice it - a friend of mine just pointed it out when we were doing character creation for our own Pathfinder game. "Of COURSE Arivia's making the sexy ice queen witch." I just thought of them as being like characters Ed writes!
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Posted - 29 Jul 2016 :  14:41:11  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I too have never made a character who wore "heavy" armor. I tend to favor quick fighters or stealthy characters. Like Wooly, I too made a minotaur who had a decent natural AC and was eventually augmented by a Ring of Protection or something similar. I miss that character, great scimitars are fun to use when you have a massive str bonus.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jul 2016 :  17:13:24  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm not adverse to making an armored character, and I'll likely do so the next campaign. It's just that the recent choices have been types that didn't do much armor - a gun mage, an investigator, an inspired blade swashbuckler, and now this monk.

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Posted - 30 Jul 2016 :  00:21:59  Show Profile  Visit Wrigley's Homepage Send Wrigley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm not adverse to making an armored character, and I'll likely do so the next campaign. It's just that the recent choices have been types that didn't do much armor - a gun mage, an investigator, an inspired blade swashbuckler, and now this monk.



I pick characters with many options and mainly supportive rather than frontal attackers. I just like to think tacticaly and those are the ones that have both time and abilities to use it.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Jul 2016 :  04:07:29  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I wouldn't have gone for a monk, this time, actually, but it seemed a better choice for the campaign. The DM wants arena combat to be a big part of it, and I just figured that one of the other guys would play the tank. The guys I came with have been playing Pathfinder much longer than I, and know how to fold, spindle, and mutilate the rules quite thoroughly. They don't do that, but they have played enough to know the rules backwards and forwards, and to have either inadvertently found loopholes and such or they've seen them exploited in tournament play and such.

So I figured one of them would be the tank. I was going to leave them to that and find something different to do...

... But I think I was mistaken, and that they've all opted for non-tank types, as well. We'll see in a couple of weeks.

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Hoondatha
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Posted - 30 Jul 2016 :  04:55:13  Show Profile  Visit Hoondatha's Homepage Send Hoondatha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I rarely play humans. I usually play either a dwarf or an elf. If I'm a dwarf, I go full tank. The dwarf I'm currently playing has been in plate mail from level 2 and is almost unhittable. It's great. If I play an elf, I'm usually a wizard or a fighter/wizard. I rarely other races or classes.

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I tend to prefer light/medium armor for my characters. Yet whenever I play a Dwarf, I would go Adamantine Full Plate and Tiger Tank it up.

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Diffan
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I think my biggest thing is I always like picking my character last, as in after everyone else has had their say. This allows me to explore possibilities that I might not have tried before and it usually helps fill a role that is lacking in the group. Many times I've found myself playing the Cleric or healer, which to me is fine because I enjoy supportive characters AND I don't feel like I'm taking over the show. Either that or a Defender/Front-line sort of warrior. Something about charging into the enemy ranks fully armored in plate mail just seems heroic and fun (and is easy to optimize too!). So I tend to play Paladins, Fighters, and War-domain/combat-oriented Clerics of Tyr or Helm and the occasional frenzied berserker too.

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Posted - 02 Aug 2016 :  10:01:32  Show Profile  Visit Khaelieth's Homepage Send Khaelieth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've yet to play anyone in heavier than medium, but I largely DM. I'm rebooting my planeswalking sun elf spellblade, but he's gonna be in mithral plate in the end, which is technically medium!


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Ayrik
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A preference for lighter armours might be a symptom of the game mechanics, where a few points more on your AC are too greatly outweighed by various penalties. Remember how underwhelming that single point of AC from your shield can be (in limited circumstances, vs a limited number of attackers) in the game mechanics. While in real life the shield was arguably a more vital piece of protection than the mightiest full plate.

Chain was predominant for a long time in real life, excellent protection vs blades and good protection vs arrows, plus it's not too heavy and it's really easy (cheap) to build and maintain and adjust. Soldiers could always pull patches or rings off the bottom to replace damaged sections in more critical areas, they could even use wire or rawhide straps to tie holes closed in a pinch. Even the most hardened and boiled leather was vastly inferior in practice to a chain hauberk, plus it could still be worn beneath. The historical record shows that chain was preferred by anybody who possessed sufficient metalcraft to obtain metal and draw wire.

Plate could do what chain could not - resist cleaving and crushing attacks (often with chain beneath). The wearer could survive crossbow bolts to the head or chest, wouldn't lose limbs to solid hits from an axe or polearm, wouldn't get broken as easily by heavy bludgeons. But plate needed to be properly fitted to the wearer, it was much heavier and a bit clumsy (though not so much as you might think), expensive to build and repair and customize because it required the specialized services of a skilled armourer and his tools. The historical record clearly demonstrates that warriors wanted the heaviest plate (or even individual plate parts) they could obtain. Until firearm technologies became a serious tactical threat which emphasized mobility.

So, given a choice, and forced to hack-and-slash to the death with my opponent(s), I would personally go for a full suit of plate. Yes, it may have less virtue in a fantasy/magic battlefield, it's just going to turn into an oven after a fireball where an unencumbered target might be able to flee and cover. Then again, it also has the option of being crafted of invincible dwarven adamantium and it can be enchanted with useful dweomers to make it feel and move light as a feather while being immune to fire. There are times, often bad times, when the magic fails and flickers and all that remains is naked force covered in raw metal, lol.

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I always play rogueish characters. Even when I play casters, I don't care for fireball flinging mages, but more subtle magic, like disarming with a silent, unseen wave of the hand. Fighters are not the frontline type. They tend to weild a ranged weapon, give supporting fire, and run in once they assess the situation.
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The Masked Mage
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Mine ALWAYS had magic-using ability. Whether that meant ELF from old D&D or bard instead of a thief or a paladin or ranger instead of a fighter. Basically, magic is the most interesting parts of rpg in my mind - the ultimate ace up your sleeve.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

Mine ALWAYS had magic-using ability. Whether that meant ELF from old D&D or bard instead of a thief or a paladin or ranger instead of a fighter. Basically, magic is the most interesting parts of rpg in my mind - the ultimate ace up your sleeve.



Yeah, anything I play as a character has magic, and usually its wizard mixed with something else. Wizard with some kind of fighter is the most common, but wizard with divine casting is next. Recently, I've been playing with the idea of a wizard/warlock, but the warlock being more like a 3.5 binder. That all being said, more often than not over the years, I've been the DM instead of the player. However, the trend I've stated plays into MMORPGs as well (where I play some kind of ranged caster, though usually my favorites in those have healing as well, even if its necrotic).

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 11 Aug 2016 :  20:44:00  Show Profile  Visit Artemas Entreri's Homepage Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

Mine ALWAYS had magic-using ability. Whether that meant ELF from old D&D or bard instead of a thief or a paladin or ranger instead of a fighter. Basically, magic is the most interesting parts of rpg in my mind - the ultimate ace up your sleeve.



While I enjoy spellcasters, I found that playing non-magic characters (aside from using magical items) was always fun and challenging, especially for rogues.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Aug 2016 :  16:18:10  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It just occurred to me, a few minutes ago, that 3 of my last 4 characters have been primarily focused on one weapon, as well.

My gun mage could cast spells normally, and some spells required this. But if it was an option, he was channeling spells thru his magelock pistol. Better range, bullet damage, better chance to hit, and the spell's damage... Plus, shooting a bad guy with a vampiric touch is just too cool!

The campaign is on hold (personal issues for the DM), but I'm eager to get back to my swashbuckler. He was not a regular swashbuckler; I was doing the Inspired Blade archetype. It's a combo of swashbuckler and the old kensai class from Oriental Adventures. So he was meh on most weapons -- but he absolutely rocked with a rapier.

And now I'm playing a monk... Monks can use other weapons, but the class is structured so that unarmed attacks are the best. So my monk is all about his fists.

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Interesting. I'm realizing that my PCs are mostly humans and/or magic-users of some type, although there is definitely variety on how they use magic.

Examples:
* Human Wizard (Magic Item Creation focus)
* Half-Orc Barbarian/Sorcerer (Self-Buff and Rage)
* Human Fighter/Cleric (Party-Buff and Leadership)
* Human Artificer (Ranged Blaster & Healer, lots of Wands)
* Warforged Paladin (Robo-Cop)

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quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

Apparently I make sexy, sultry vixens 99% of the time, when I get the rare opportunity to play as it is. I didn't really notice it - a friend of mine just pointed it out when we were doing character creation for our own Pathfinder game. "Of COURSE Arivia's making the sexy ice queen witch." I just thought of them as being like characters Ed writes!



Did any of your characters wear chainmail bikini?
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Many of my characters tend to be rogues. They are typically paranoid individuals (Grim Greycastle is the best example on these forums).

My characters are typically:
Cleric (Healing and Protection domains are priority for me)
Rogue (paranoid folk).
Paladin (Heavy on the mercy)
Fighter (Dwarven Tin Can)

If given the opportunity within a good group, I like to play with those. I wanted to play in a City of the Spider Queen as a Zhentarim spy WITH the party, specifically to ensure that the Zhents knew what was going on, and knowing that the party needed to survive to maintain my cover. The other was a Dwarven Cleric (Necromancer) who used the feats to stay 2 steps away and he was a "devoted" follower of Moradin... who said "the Dead Shall Rise and Defend the Dwarven Hosts!" Horrible, but true.

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